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Old 04-23-2009, 01:39 PM
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We have a difference of opinion. I have trouble with your willingness to lower our country's standards to those of terrorists. I personally think Bush brought upon the U.S. an horrible problem that will take us years if not decades to dig ourselves out of. To boot, you appear to me to seem to think that all of the problems are due to Obama and Obama only.
International terrorism was a problem LONG before Bush was in office. Obama isn't going to save us from terrorism by being "buddy buddy" with countries who openly say "kill all Americans."
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Old 04-23-2009, 03:11 PM
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Sounds like you have a blind eye towards his horrible tenure as president, but to each his own. You and others still haven't answered the question regarding the United States convicting someone for war crimes in WW2 for the crime of waterboarding. I wonder why? Do you just wish that by not responding it will go away? Is it only a crime when someone other than the U.S. does it?

I don't get my news from television, except perhaps for local news. I use many different sources to formulate my opinions, as using just one source will not paint the entire picture.

Did you read the article from the interrogator? Surely someone who has been there done that has a little more insight into what went on than you or I, correct?
FYI Buzzard
I was not happy with GWB's 2nd term in office at all. In fact for the 1st time in my life I voted 3rd party in the last election. But all you are spewing is the same liberal propaganda the media spews. And as far as the whole WW2 waterboarding, WATERSMOARDING.......war is war! AND like it or not, you do what it takes to win.

It's very tiresome.....but, if you want to conitnue defending a party that:
A)Just moved this country in a huge step to Socialism.
B) Just ruined this country financially for the next 10 generations because of their out of control spending. I'm sure it will be even worse once their 4 years are up.
C)Is cutting the military budget in half and may be more! AND on top of it trying to become friends with known terrorist countries.(Feel protected, do ya?)
D) Is going to ruin the country even more with their campaign of Global Warming Panic! Which they will use to further their agenda of Socialism.
E) Bows to every whim of the United Nations, WHO does not have our interests at heart.

Be my guess Buzzard! But in my book, you don't have a leg to stand on!
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Old 04-23-2009, 03:16 PM
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FYI Buzzard
I was not happy with GWB's 2nd term in office at all. In fact for the 1st time in my life I voted 3rd party in the last election. But all you are spewing is the same liberal propaganda the media spews. And as far as the whole WW2 waterboarding, WATERSMOARDING.......war is war! AND like it or not, you do what it takes to win.

It's very tiresome.....but, if you want to conitnue defending a party that:
A)Just moved this country in a huge step to Socialism.
B) Just ruined this country financially for the next 10 generations because of their out of control spending. I'm sure it will be even worse once their 4 years are up.
C)Is cutting the military budget in half and may be more! AND on top of it trying to become friends with known terrorist countries.(Feel protected, do ya?)
D) Is going to ruin the country even more with their campaign of Global Warming Panic! Which they will use to further their agenda of Socialism.
E) Bows to every whim of the United Nations, WHO does not have our interests at heart.

Be my guess Buzzard! But in my book, you don't have a leg to stand on!
Don't talk to comrade Buzzard that way.
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Old 04-23-2009, 04:28 PM
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Old 04-23-2009, 11:10 PM
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FYI Buzzard
I was not happy with GWB's 2nd term in office at all. In fact for the 1st time in my life I voted 3rd party in the last election. But all you are spewing is the same liberal propaganda the media spews. And as far as the whole WW2 waterboarding, WATERSMOARDING.......war is war! AND like it or not, you do what it takes to win.

It's very tiresome.....but, if you want to conitnue defending a party that:
A)Just moved this country in a huge step to Socialism.
B) Just ruined this country financially for the next 10 generations because of their out of control spending. I'm sure it will be even worse once their 4 years are up.
C)Is cutting the military budget in half and may be more! AND on top of it trying to become friends with known terrorist countries.(Feel protected, do ya?)
D) Is going to ruin the country even more with their campaign of Global Warming Panic! Which they will use to further their agenda of Socialism.
E) Bows to every whim of the United Nations, WHO does not have our interests at heart.

Be my guess Buzzard! But in my book, you don't have a leg to stand on!

Wow, still won't answer the question. I guess you can't come up with any reasonable response to it, so you would rather ignore it than answer it. Sad that you want us to lower ourselves to the level of terrorists.

A. First off, this thread isn't about nor have my replies been in response to defending the party causing this country's slide into socialism as you state.

B. Perhaps if the Bush administration hadn't thrown our economy down the toilet, Obama wouldn't have made a bailout after the Bush administration made theirs. Were you ok with the Bush bailout and his steps taking us down the road into socialism? Hindsight is 20/20 so they say.

C. Do you have any sources to show that Obama is cutting the military budget in half? Please cite them because I call BS. It's better to keep your enemies close than to isolate yourself with policies which cause the world to hate you. Bush did well with the latter. I never felt safe with Bush in office, especially since he didn't act on known intel about the attacks on 9/11, instead trying to make people safe by taking away rights and other not so good stuff.

D. While I am not in agreement of that there is a global warming crisis, I don't see how this part of Obama's plan is actually bad.
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US President hopeful Barack Obama said that he would spend $150 billion over 10 years on a push to develop new renewable fuel and clean coal technology. His aggressive strategy would require an 80% greenhouse gases reduction and require those who pollute to pay for that right on a per-ton of carbon basis.
What parts of his plans do you claim are socialistic?

E. Do you have any sources on this claim?

It seems that your book is missing many pages, including a setup, plot, and a resolution. You have the confrontation part down well though.
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Old 04-24-2009, 09:16 PM
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Wow, still won't answer the question. I guess you can't come up with any reasonable response to it, so you would rather ignore it than answer it. Sad that you want us to lower ourselves to the level of terrorists.

A. First off, this thread isn't about nor have my replies been in response to defending the party causing this country's slide into socialism as you state.

B. Perhaps if the Bush administration hadn't thrown our economy down the toilet, Obama wouldn't have made a bailout after the Bush administration made theirs. Were you ok with the Bush bailout and his steps taking us down the road into socialism? Hindsight is 20/20 so they say.

C. Do you have any sources to show that Obama is cutting the military budget in half? Please cite them because I call BS. It's better to keep your enemies close than to isolate yourself with policies which cause the world to hate you. Bush did well with the latter. I never felt safe with Bush in office, especially since he didn't act on known intel about the attacks on 9/11, instead trying to make people safe by taking away rights and other not so good stuff.

D. While I am not in agreement of that there is a global warming crisis, I don't see how this part of Obama's plan is actually bad.

What parts of his plans do you claim are socialistic?

E. Do you have any sources on this claim?

It seems that your book is missing many pages, including a setup, plot, and a resolution. You have the confrontation part down well though.
Quoted from the Townhall Meeting:

Obama:
Today, the electricity we use is carried along a grid of lines and wires that dates back to Thomas Edison, a grid that canít support the demands of clean energy. This means weíre using 19th- and 20th-century technologies to battle 21st-century problems like climate change and energy security.

It also means that places like North Dakota can produce a lot of wind energy but canít deliver it to communities that want it, leading to a gap between how much clean energy we are using and how much we could be using.

The investment we are making today will create a newer, smarter electric grid that will allow for the broader use of alternative energy. We will build on the work thatís being done in places like Boulder, Colorado, a community that is on pace to be the worldís first Smart Grid city. This investment will place Smart Meters in homes to make our energy bills lower, make outages less likely and make it easier to use clean energy.

Itís an investment that will save taxpayers over $1 billion by slashing energy costs in our federal buildings by 25 percent and save working families hundreds of dollars a year on their energy bills by weatherizing over 1 million homes. And itís an investment that takes the important first step towards a nationwide transmission superhighway that will connect our cities to the windy plains of the Dakotas and the sunny deserts of the Southwest.


A smart meter is an interval or time-of-use meter. Yes the government will decide when you will have AC, lights, heat, etc. Instead of them asking us to save on energy, they are going to do it for us. NOW IF THAT IS NOT SOCIALISM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS? You probably will not like the source, but see link:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...509669,00.html

Can you explain, BUZZARD?
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Old 04-25-2009, 12:45 AM
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Quoted from the Townhall Meeting:

Obama:
Today, the electricity we use is carried along a grid of lines and wires that dates back to Thomas Edison, a grid that canít support the demands of clean energy. This means weíre using 19th- and 20th-century technologies to battle 21st-century problems like climate change and energy security.

It also means that places like North Dakota can produce a lot of wind energy but canít deliver it to communities that want it, leading to a gap between how much clean energy we are using and how much we could be using.

The investment we are making today will create a newer, smarter electric grid that will allow for the broader use of alternative energy. We will build on the work thatís being done in places like Boulder, Colorado, a community that is on pace to be the worldís first Smart Grid city. This investment will place Smart Meters in homes to make our energy bills lower, make outages less likely and make it easier to use clean energy.

Itís an investment that will save taxpayers over $1 billion by slashing energy costs in our federal buildings by 25 percent and save working families hundreds of dollars a year on their energy bills by weatherizing over 1 million homes. And itís an investment that takes the important first step towards a nationwide transmission superhighway that will connect our cities to the windy plains of the Dakotas and the sunny deserts of the Southwest.


A smart meter is an interval or time-of-use meter. Yes the government will decide when you will have AC, lights, heat, etc. Instead of them asking us to save on energy, they are going to do it for us. NOW IF THAT IS NOT SOCIALISM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS? You probably will not like the source, but see link:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video0...509669,00.html

Can you explain, BUZZARD?
So the mention of the smart meter/smart grid is what this is all about and all due to Obama and his desire to take us down the road to socialism right? If you would research further, you would find that the places mentioned like Boulder Colorado went to the smart grid first phase in August of 2008. Guess who was president at the time. Austin Texas has also been phasing it in too, long before Obama became president. http://www.metering.com/node/13582

Nowhere did I read that the government will tell you when you can have power rather than tell you that it may cost you more if you use too much during high demand times. Sort of like how capitalism works with the supply and demand system. Are you anti-capitalism?
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So the mention of the smart meter/smart grid is what this is all about and all due to Obama and his desire to take us down the road to socialism right? If you would research further, you would find that the places mentioned like Boulder Colorado went to the smart grid first phase in August of 2008. Guess who was president at the time. Austin Texas has also been phasing it in too, long before Obama became president. http://www.metering.com/node/13582

Nowhere did I read that the government will tell you when you can have power rather than tell you that it may cost you more if you use too much during high demand times. Sort of like how capitalism works with the supply and demand system. Are you anti-capitalism?
First off....you keep coming at me with this whole Bush thing......I was not happy with Bush either. He made some real steps in his 2nd term that were definitely not conservative moves. GWB's $700 billion stimulus was just as much a socialist move than what the Obama administration is doing now.

2nd.....Did you not watch the video where Carol Browner( Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change) was quoted:

"We(which means the government) need to make sure that we're moving electricity in the smartest way using the most cost effective electricity at the right time of day. Eventually, we can get to a system where an Electric Company(owned by the government) will be able to hold back some of the power so that your A/C won't operate at its peak. You'll still be able to cool your house, but that'll be a savings to the consumer."

How do you interpret that statement, Buzzard? How are you able to cool your house if your A/C unit is not running at its peak? Pure and plain socialism! Oh, but they had to sugar coat it at the end with, "but that will be a savings to the consumer."
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I officially changed myself to the American Independent Party. I could not stand GWB Senior & Jr.. I am not liking Obama either... Who knows whats in store for the future with our politicians...

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First off....you keep coming at me with this whole Bush thing......I was not happy with Bush either. He made some real steps in his 2nd term that were definitely not conservative moves. GWB's $700 billion stimulus was just as much a socialist move than what the Obama administration is doing now.

2nd.....Did you not watch the video where Carol Browner( Assistant to the President for Energy and Climate Change) was quoted:

"We(which means the government) need to make sure that we're moving electricity in the smartest way using the most cost effective electricity at the right time of day. Eventually, we can get to a system where an Electric Company(owned by the government) will be able to hold back some of the power so that your A/C won't operate at its peak. You'll still be able to cool your house, but that'll be a savings to the consumer."

How do you interpret that statement, Buzzard? How are you able to cool your house if your A/C unit is not running at its peak? Pure and plain socialism! Oh, but they had to sugar coat it at the end with, "but that will be a savings to the consumer."
1. My apologies then for thinking you were a Bush fan who overlooked his many bad decisions for America.

2. Yes I watched the video. I believe that you are making an assumption though that all electric companies will be government owned, which makes it sound socialistic. I believe that you could still cool your home to a comfortable level, but not able to crank up the a/c to bring the temperature down to levels in the mid 60's with your a/c not running at peak. It is sort of like a grocery store that has a product on sale, but limits the amount the consumer is able to purchase at one time. If all electric companies go to government owned, then yes I would be worried and would not like it.

I don't know what will happen during the next four years. I hope that things will turn around, but I know it will take some time to dig us out of the mess that the last administration left this country in.
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