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Old 04-17-2009, 03:59 PM
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Gov. Perry continues to impress me. I didn't vote for the guy, but I love the fact that he has to balls to openly oppose the federal government!

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Dems: Texas governor should reject secession
Perry says state doesn't want to secede but adds, 'who knows'



updated 6:15 p.m. CT, Thurs., April 16, 2009

AUSTIN, Texas - In a state that once was its own nation, a Republican governor who talked about secession without completely dismissing the idea has Democratic lawmakers in an uproar.

Gov. Rick Perry, in comments following an anti-tax "tea party" Wednesday, never did advocate Texas breaking away from the United States but suggested that Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to leave the union. That was enough to feed opinions for and against secession on Web sites, cable TV and talk radio across the nation.

At the Texas Capitol on Thursday, Rep. Jim Dunnam of Waco, joined by several fellow Texas House Democrats, said some people associate talk of secession with racial division and the Civil War and that Perry should disavow any notion of seceding.

"Talk of secession is an attack on our country. It can be nothing else. It is the ultimate anti-American statement," Dunnam said at a news conference.

State Sen. Rodney Ellis, a Houston Democrat, said that by not rejecting the possibility of secession out of hand, Perry "is taking a step down a very dangerous and divisive path encouraged by the fringe of Texas politics."

The Democrats are proposing a House resolution expressing "complete and total disagreement with any fringe element advocating the 'secession' of Texas or any other state from our one and indivisible Union."

Perry emphasized Thursday that he is not advocating secession but understands why Americans may have those feelings because of frustration with Washington, D.C. He said it's fine to express the thought. He offered no apology and did not back away from his earlier comments.

Perry's remarks Wednesday were in response to a question from The Associated Press as he walked away from the Austin rally, where some in the audience had shouted "Secede!" during his speech. The governor said he didn't think Texas should secede despite some chatter about it on the Internet and his name being associated with the idea.

"We've got a great union. There's absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people, you know, who knows what might come out of that. But Texas is a very unique place, and we're a pretty independent lot to boot," Perry said Wednesday.

A day later, Perry said he found the fascination with the remark interesting.

"I refer people back to my statement and I got a charge out of it," he said. "I was kind of thinking that maybe the same people that hadn't been reading the Constitution right were reading that article and they got the wrong impression about what I said. Clearly I stated that we have a great union. Texas is part of a great union. And I see no reason for that to change."

Texas was a republic from 1836, when it declared independence from Mexico, to 1845, when it became a U.S. state.

Perry has been speaking out against the federal government lately over federal economic stimulus spending. He's also in a tough race for re-election against a fellow Republican, U.S. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, whom he is trying to portray as a Washington insider.

Perry spokeswoman Allison Castle criticized Dunnam, saying he was "trying to distract from the fact that yesterday thousands of Texans, including many in his own district, expressed their extreme displeasure at Washington's rampant taxation, big spending and bloated government."

Dunnam suggested Perry is positioning himself for his political future.

"We all knew he wanted to be president. I just didn't know it was president of the Republic of Texas," he said to chuckles from onlookers.

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Old 04-17-2009, 04:06 PM
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I don't agree with this unless Obama does infact make real moves into socialism.

I will move to texas in this event and join the texan military.
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I agree, but it's nice to see somebody in such a prominent position stepping up and voicing out against Obama.
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I agree, but it's nice to see somebody in such a prominent position stepping up and voicing out against Obama.
Nate does it all the time.. He's prominent and in a high position darn it! lol...
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I'll be moving to Texas as well if they do!
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Old 04-17-2009, 04:47 PM
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I don't think anyone in Texas wants to secede from the Union, however they might have no other choice if they want to defend their freedoms against the socialist Corruptocrats in power right now.

I think the Obama administration should see this as a wake up call, meaning that we, the American people, are not powerless and are not just going to sit here idly while the liberals strip us of our freedoms and taxes us into bankruptcy. Obama needs to realize that having 22% of the American population vote for him is not a mandate from the masses to do whatever he likes. We, the people of America, are still in charge. Obama is our employee, not our dictator, so he needs to slow down and start listening to us.

Anyways, if Texas does secede, then I'll be happy to move down there. Better to be hungry and free than Obama's fat slave.
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I don't think anyone in Texas wants to secede from the Union, however they might have no other choice if they want to defend their freedoms against the socialist Corruptocrats in power right now.

I think the Obama administration should see this as a wake up call, meaning that we, the American people, are not powerless and are not just going to sit here idly while the liberals strip us of our freedoms and taxes us into bankruptcy. Obama needs to realize that having 52% of the American population vote for him is not a mandate from the masses to do whatever he likes. We, the people of America, are still in charge. Obama is our employee, not our dictator, so he needs to slow down and start listening to us.

Anyways, if Texas does secede, then I'll be happy to move down there. Better to be hungry and free than Obama's fat slave.
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Wrong, 52% of the people who voted, 66 million people total, voted for Obama. There are an estimated 303 million Americans alive today. Meaning that only 21.7% of the American population voted for Obama. The other 78.3% either voted for someone else or didn't vote at all.
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There's a difference between population and voting population.
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Wrong, 52% of the people who voted, 66 million people total, voted for Obama. There are an estimated 303 million Americans alive today. Meaning that only 21.7% of the American population voted for Obama. The other 78.3% either voted for someone else or didn't vote at all.
My bad, thought it was a fat finger considering the 2 is below the 5 on the keypad.
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