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Old 04-18-2009, 10:09 PM
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In situations like that, you kind of feel like you've stepped into an Invasion of the Body Snatchers type scenario. You just have to wonder, "Who are you and what have you done with the person who loved his country and cared about its future?"

Your friend obviously sold out and allowed himself to be bribed by Obama.
You know what's even worse Nate? I failed to mention that he was in the Air Force for a long time. He used to never speak his mind, and he really doesn't. Anytime I question Obama's policies, all he has to say is, "I think he's doing fine, you're just an Obama hater." He's one of those people who I think shouldn't vote, or rather, shouldn't be allowed to vote, because he hasn't taken the time to actively view the candidates' positions and policies.
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:29 PM
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It's like saying, "I love watching the UFC, but just wish it wasn't so violent.
but then don't tell people they can come to this country and say they have freedom of religion .... say to them, you can come to this country and practice your religion, but realize we are going to only recognize Christianity and run our State with Christian values ..

then that is fine, i could care less, but people are not being told that when they come here ...
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:35 PM
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I'm assuming you mistyped that and meant to say that Christians would not think it was a great concept.

No mistake on my part, if a Muslim was president, I think that Christians would think the concept of separation of church and state was a good thing.

However, not all religions are the same. That's the mistake that atheists and non-believers make.

No atheists or non-believers who I know make these mistakes. You are making a general statement that doesn't hold up. Do you really think that atheists and non-believers aren't capable of differentiating between religions?

These concepts of freedom and liberty only really existed under Christianity in the days of the Founding Fathers. Even today look at the state of human rights in Muslim and Hindu nations. Those two religions simply are not compatible with America's founding documents.

Look at how the Bush administration and his Christian beliefs took away human rights by allowing torture and suspending habeas corpus. That isn't compatible with America's founding documents either.

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Old 04-18-2009, 11:39 PM
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NOBODY who loves this country would want to see everything it was founded upon dismantled. Anyone who wants capitalism replaced with socialism is not a patriot. Anyone who is more interested in fairness over liberty, does not love America.

It's like saying, "I love watching the UFC, but just wish it wasn't so violent. And why does there have to be a winner and a loser? Why can't we redesign the system so that everyone is a winner?"

Do you understand how silly it would be for someone to claim to love an organization, yet oppose the very principles it is founded upon?

Nice dodge of the question. How is covering up all signage and symbols of a university opposing the principles our country was founded on? Did you not read that they did so to keep this speech consistent with the with other policy speeches?
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:45 PM
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NOBODY who loves this country would want to see everything it was founded upon dismantled. Anyone who wants capitalism replaced with socialism is not a patriot. Anyone who is more interested in fairness over liberty, does not love America.

Did you question the prior administration when it endorsed and started socialist programs? I don't see anyone wishing everything this country was founded on dismantled.

It's like saying, "I love watching the UFC, but just wish it wasn't so violent. And why does there have to be a winner and a loser? Why can't we redesign the system so that everyone is a winner?"

Do you understand how silly it would be for someone to claim to love an organization, yet oppose the very principles it is founded upon?

What principles are being opposed in your opinion?
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:48 PM
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How did he sell out? I see a man who still loves his country and his religion.

If a Muslim became president and gave a speech in a mosque, would you want the symbols of the Muslim faith covered?

I would find it extremely disrespectful and would NEVER go into some place that wasn't my own and ask people to cover up signs / symbols of their religion.
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:49 PM
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You know what's even worse Nate? I failed to mention that he was in the Air Force for a long time. He used to never speak his mind, and he really doesn't. Anytime I question Obama's policies, all he has to say is, "I think he's doing fine, you're just an Obama hater." He's one of those people who I think shouldn't vote, or rather, shouldn't be allowed to vote, because he hasn't taken the time to actively view the candidates' positions and policies.
So, you get to determine who gets to vote because your friends views don't match your own? How do you know he hasn't taken his time to view the positions and policies? Is it because he dares go against what you wish? I can't believe that you would wish that a veteran who has served his country be denied the ability to vote in the country that he so proudly served. That saddens me.
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:51 PM
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Do you understand how silly it would be for someone to claim to love an organization, yet oppose the very principles it is founded upon?
Like a KKK member saying they don't like the racist part,
or a Muslim saying he loves jews.

and its odd, because I've come across stuff like this before,
It drives me up a wall, if you're a part of something, and claim to love it,
then you've got to agree with its major ideals at least.

I've talked to "Christians" who don't think anybody is going to hell,
or who bend certain rules or pick apart certain things in the bible sort of creating their own hybrid Christian religion to fit their own lifestyle.
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:51 PM
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I would find it extremely disrespectful and would NEVER go into some place that wasn't my own and ask people to cover up signs / symbols of their religion.
It wasn't only religious things that were covered up, and the reasoning behind it I can see. I think directing your ire towards the Georgetown people who allowed this to occur would be of more benefit, after all, they allowed it. For me, it is a non-issue.
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:54 PM
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It wasn't only religious things that were covered up, and the reasoning behind it I can see.
I think directing your ire towards the Georgetown people who allowed this to occur would be of more benefit, after all, they allowed it. For me, it is a non-issue.
What else was covered?

I didn't see anything in the article about covering other things up.
and what reasoning behind it do you see?
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