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Old 04-18-2009, 04:38 PM
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Why?

Your country is under Her Majesty, and she is Defender of the Anglican Denomination of Christianity

Although the United States dont back a specific denomination, It is expected that the Government will be run by Christians, and it is also true that the United States DOES use "National" Cathedral. Each State is represented by the flags lining both sides of the nave, and its an Anglican Cathedral (We're in full communion with The Episcopal Church of The United States)

I'm going to be visiting National this year
I don't expect the U.S. government to be run by Christians. I have no problem if it is, as long as they keep their religion separate from their governmental duties.
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Old 04-18-2009, 05:18 PM
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I don't expect the U.S. government to be run by Christians. I have no problem if it is, as long as they keep their religion separate from their governmental duties.
Separating yourself from your religion is not something you do when you are truly a believer in God. Anybody who says that they do is a snake in the grass in my opinion. It's one thing to separate your personal and professional life, but separating yourself from your core values and beliefs is not human nature. Regardless of which religion you follow.

This idea of the separation of church and state is so blown out of proportion and full of propaganda it is disgusting, and it's one of the things that is sending our nation down a scary path.
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Old 04-18-2009, 06:02 PM
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Separating yourself from your religion is not something you do when you are truly a believer in God. Anybody who says that they do is a snake in the grass in my opinion. It's one thing to separate your personal and professional life, but separating yourself from your core values and beliefs is not human nature. Regardless of which religion you follow.

This idea of the separation of church and state is so blown out of proportion and full of propaganda it is disgusting, and it's one of the things that is sending our nation down a scary path.

You can keep your beliefs and not separate yourself from your religion while performing your governmental duties, as you stated.
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It's one thing to separate your personal and professional life, but separating yourself from your core values and beliefs is not human nature
What path is the concept of separation of church and state sending us down? I'm pretty sure that if the religion was something other than Christianity, Christians would believe that it was a great concept.
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Old 04-18-2009, 06:40 PM
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Ugh, really saddened last night. A friend of mine whom, I've always considered a patriot, didn't see anything wrong with this. I told him what happened and all he had to say was, "It's separation of church & state." A piece of my heart almost died. Then he said "Alright, Obama hater." I no longer consider him a patriot, I really couldn't believe he didn't see anything wrong with this at all. Plus, this guy is a regular at his church, observes lent, etc.; a very active member of his church.
In situations like that, you kind of feel like you've stepped into an Invasion of the Body Snatchers type scenario. You just have to wonder, "Who are you and what have you done with the person who loved his country and cared about its future?"

Your friend obviously sold out and allowed himself to be bribed by Obama.
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You can keep your beliefs and not separate yourself from your religion while performing your governmental duties, as you stated.

What path is the concept of separation of church and state sending us down? I'm pretty sure that if the religion was something other than Christianity, Christians would believe that it was a great concept.
I'm assuming you mistyped that and meant to say that Christians would not think it was a great concept.

However, not all religions are the same. That's the mistake that atheists and non-believers make. These concepts of freedom and liberty only really existed under Christianity in the days of the Founding Fathers. Even today look at the state of human rights in Muslim and Hindu nations. Those two religions simply are not compatible with America's founding documents.

While I agree that there should be no state run religion. I don't want all Americans forced to be Catholics or Pentecostals or Baptists or even Presbyterians. People should be allowed to choose for themselves. But that's a far cry from this modern notion that government officials should leave their religion at the door when it comes to matters of state.

In fact, it's unfair to ask that of people. Our government officials need to be allowed to be true to their beliefs. If they believe that abortion is wrong solely because of their belief in GOD, then they need to vote according to that belief.

If a Congressman man claims to be a Christian on the campaign trail, then he really needs to act like a Christian when he gets into office and vote according to his Christian values. Otherwise he's just a liar and not trustworthy either way.

If the people don't like that he is going to lead the way GOD wants him to lead, then the people can vote him out of office in the next election. The system is already designed to correct itself in that way, so we shouldn't be arbitrarily forcing secular values onto our government officials. Let them lead according to their conscience, not some bizarre misinterpretation of the Constitution.
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You can keep your beliefs and not separate yourself from your religion while performing your governmental duties, as you stated.

What path is the concept of separation of church and state sending us down? I'm pretty sure that if the religion was something other than Christianity, Christians would believe that it was a great concept.

First of all, the concept of separation of church and state is something that has been perverted over time and is modernly used by secular progressives to forward their own political agenda. It's inception was to prevent there from being a state created church, not to separate our government from it's Judeo Christian values.

As for the path our country is headed down; I said that the modern concept of separation of church and state is ONE of the things sending our nation down a scary path, not the only thing. Regardless, I would say that it's that kind of secular progressive ideology that is trying to altar the very moral fiber of our country. That is scary.
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In situations like that, you kind of feel like you've stepped into an Invasion of the Body Snatchers type scenario. You just have to wonder, "Who are you and what have you done with the person who loved his country and cared about its future?"

Your friend obviously sold out and allowed himself to be bribed by Obama.

How did he sell out? I see a man who still loves his country and his religion.

If a Muslim became president and gave a speech in a mosque, would you want the symbols of the Muslim faith covered?
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How did he sell out? I see a man who still loves his country and his religion.

If a Muslim became president and gave a speech in a mosque, would you want the symbols of the Muslim faith covered?
NOBODY who loves this country would want to see everything it was founded upon dismantled. Anyone who wants capitalism replaced with socialism is not a patriot. Anyone who is more interested in fairness over liberty, does not love America.

It's like saying, "I love watching the UFC, but just wish it wasn't so violent. And why does there have to be a winner and a loser? Why can't we redesign the system so that everyone is a winner?"

Do you understand how silly it would be for someone to claim to love an organization, yet oppose the very principles it is founded upon?
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NOBODY who loves this country would want to see everything it was founded upon dismantled. Anyone who wants capitalism replaced with socialism is not a patriot. Anyone who is more interested in fairness over liberty, does not love America.

It's like saying, "I love watching the UFC, but just wish it wasn't so violent. And why does there have to be a winner and a loser? Why can't we redesign the system so that everyone is a winner?"

Do you understand how silly it would be for someone to claim to love an organization, yet oppose the very principles it is founded upon?

Good analogy, but you know they are going to argue that they are not changing the fundamentals, just changing the rules.
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Old 04-18-2009, 07:55 PM
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Can't we all just get along.


My views:
I love my country no matter how imperfect it is. I don't need to believe in god,be a christian,buddahist,scientologist,or mormon to prove it. I have no problems with people believing in god,just don't push it on me and I won't push back.. I have no issues with the phrase god on money or in pledge of alligeance. I'd rather our politicians leave religion out of their policy foreign and domestic,as I believe u can achieve a common goal w/o the use of religion. I have no problems with America being considered a 'christian nation',though I'm not sure who decided it should be when we are a melting pot of all religions,ethnic groups and supposed to treat all as one. I believe Jesus existed,but not his divinity(just don't buy the whole walk on water, water to whine stuff).
They have the 'new testement' why cant the Koran have a new version and leave all the killing of infedels out would do wonders imo. I believe Britney Spears is misunderstood and a victim of her peers(managers,etc.). I believe all pappurazzi should be run over when gettin the chance ;)
Okay Im just babbling on now I think its time to go play some mind altering music and games
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