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Old 04-18-2009, 04:37 AM
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Wasn't our four fathers kindof opposed of having/labeling America as a Christian nation that it should be seperated as such?
Actually, the Founding Fathers acknowledged that they were creating a Christian nation. And while they didn't want any particular denomination of Christianity to have control over the government, they believed that it was Christian morality that would prevent our capitalist system from becoming too corrupt.

Also, they believed that our freedoms were a gift from GOD and thus no human being or government had the authority to infringe upon those freedoms.

George Washington said that without a dedication to religion and morality, then no one could consider himself a patriot of the United States.

John Jay, the first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court said that it was in our best interests to only elect Christian leaders to run our Christian nation.

So, this modern notion that the Founding Fathers were trying to create a completely secular society is a myth that was started in the 1950s.
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:34 AM
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Wow...

Why does he care?
I think it might have more to do with the fact he might not have wanted it directly behind him.

Think about what those Obama haters would have done with a picture of the monogram, and Obama placed directly beneith it. They would say that he chose deliberatley to stand benieth something like that to point to himself.

The fact that he covered it up shows he's aware that some people really do see him as a Messianic figure, and also, that his enemies are begining to use that against him

Sounds to me like it wasnt a jab at Christians so much as a request for a plain background...and certainly NOT a nice little symbol of Christ RIGHT above the Presidential head
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It's funny that Obama has no trouble plagiarizing Jesus, but refuses to acknowledge Him by name.

At this point, I think the possibility of Obama actually being a Christian is less than zero. I was never convinced to begin with, but this is irrefutable proof that he is not.
maybe, maybe not...but He's certainly not Islamic...he's not radical enough....
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Old 04-18-2009, 11:50 AM
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Ugh, really saddened last night. A friend of mine whom, I've always considered a patriot, didn't see anything wrong with this. I told him what happened and all he had to say was, "It's separation of church & state." A piece of my heart almost died. Then he said "Alright, Obama hater." I no longer consider him a patriot, I really couldn't believe he didn't see anything wrong with this at all. Plus, this guy is a regular at his church, observes lent, etc.; a very active member of his church.
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A piece of my heart almost died.


I think that if Obama was really that concerned about the monogram, rather then cover it up...perhaps he should have moved his stage elsewhere

or...not bothered to speak in a Hall which has Christian Symbology
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Old 04-18-2009, 12:24 PM
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Ugh, really saddened last night. A friend of mine whom, I've always considered a patriot, didn't see anything wrong with this. I told him what happened and all he had to say was, "It's separation of church & state." A piece of my heart almost died. Then he said "Alright, Obama hater." I no longer consider him a patriot, I really couldn't believe he didn't see anything wrong with this at all. Plus, this guy is a regular at his church, observes lent, etc.; a very active member of his church.
sounds like a real good patriot .. smart dude ... church and state should be kept separate ....
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sounds like a real good patriot .. smart dude ... church and state should be kept separate ....
Ok, so this is your view (tho its wrong)...so why does the church have to conform to the state's wishes then as was in this case?

If seperation of state is a valid concept why didn't NObama just have his speech in a great hall....see, because it doesn't work that way because NObama does not honor or respect the church.
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church and state should be kept separate ....
Why?

Your country is under Her Majesty, and she is Defender of the Anglican Denomination of Christianity

Although the United States dont back a specific denomination, It is expected that the Government will be run by Christians, and it is also true that the United States DOES use "National" Cathedral. Each State is represented by the flags lining both sides of the nave, and its an Anglican Cathedral (We're in full communion with The Episcopal Church of The United States)

I'm going to be visiting National this year
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Ugh, really saddened last night. A friend of mine whom, I've always considered a patriot, didn't see anything wrong with this. I told him what happened and all he had to say was, "It's separation of church & state." A piece of my heart almost died. Then he said "Alright, Obama hater." I no longer consider him a patriot, I really couldn't believe he didn't see anything wrong with this at all. Plus, this guy is a regular at his church, observes lent, etc.; a very active member of his church.
I see nothing wrong with it either. Did you read the reasoning behind the decision?

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Julie Bataille from the university's press office e-mailed me that the White House had asked that all university signage and symbols behind the stage in Gaston Hall be covered.

"The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they've done for other policy speeches," she wrote. "Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn't high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context."
I respect his decision to do this, and if the folks at Georgetown didn't want this, they could have asked him to take his speech elsewhere.
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Ok, so this is your view (tho its wrong)...so why does the church have to conform to the state's wishes then as was in this case?

If seperation of state is a valid concept why didn't NObama just have his speech in a great hall....see, because it doesn't work that way because NObama does not honor or respect the church.

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Julie Bataille from the university's press office e-mailed me that the White House had asked that all university signage and symbols behind the stage in Gaston Hall be covered.

"The White House wanted a simple backdrop of flags and pipe and drape for the speech, consistent with what they've done for other policy speeches," she wrote. "Frankly, the pipe and drape wasn't high enough by itself to fully cover the IHS and cross above the GU seal and it seemed most respectful to have them covered so as not to be seen out of context."
I believe your view is wrong and rearnakedchoke's view holds up. If Georgetown didn't want to do it, they could have asked them to find another location. It wasn't only religious signage that was covered, it was "all university signage and symbols." Maybe you should direct your scorn at Georgetown.

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