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Old 04-03-2009, 05:20 PM
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Predictable brainwashed liberal response. I would hope that the average American is too intelligent to fall for this stupidity, but unfortunately 52% of them have already proven that they are not.
Yeah, but think of it this way, Nate: The remaining 48% of us are going to be better equiped & we already know we'll be able to out-think them, plus we'll have the vast majority of the military, so I like our chances!!!
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Old 04-03-2009, 05:21 PM
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Now I'm sure there are millions of turncoats that would blindly follow our lemming leaders and titans of industry to the very death, however.
The only turncoats in the discussion are the ones calling for class warfare. You're betraying EVERYTHING that this nation was founded upon.
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Old 04-03-2009, 05:23 PM
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How so, if it's so obvious? I followed it pretty closely, I thought.
The Democrats, specifically Chris Dodd, wrote the provision that allowed for the AIG bonuses into the bailout bill. Then when the public outcry started, their rhetoric changed and they feigned outrage and passed an unconstitutional bill to tax the bonuses in order to cover up their own bungling.
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Old 04-03-2009, 05:47 PM
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I'm for class warfare. We, as the middle and working class, should stop fighting rich men's wars. Let's do it.
Without the rich men there is no middle and working class.
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Old 04-03-2009, 05:52 PM
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The only turncoats in the discussion are the ones calling for class warfare. You're betraying EVERYTHING that this nation was founded upon.
Besides that stuff Thomas Jefferson believed in. Sorry to excuse myself, I have a wedding to go to. I'll be back in 3 days to continue this discussion.
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Old 04-03-2009, 05:57 PM
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I just don't understand why people who didn't go to med school for 7 years, didn't score highly on all the government tests and didn't try hard in high school feel that they should make anywhere near what a doctor does...

Most Rich people exist because they did something for it.

This country has started encouraging people to do poorly because they then recieve all the government rewards.


My parents worked to bring us from lower to middle and we got there. I know plenty of families that are afraid to make more money because they will lose certain government "bonuses".
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Old 04-03-2009, 06:06 PM
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The Democrats, specifically Chris Dodd, wrote the provision that allowed for the AIG bonuses into the bailout bill. Then when the public outcry started, their rhetoric changed and they feigned outrage and passed an unconstitutional bill to tax the bonuses in order to cover up their own bungling.
I didn't realize the provisions were written into the bailout. Can I find it on the document or was it that AIG included it in their total and it was not itemized specifically?
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Old 04-03-2009, 06:27 PM
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Besides that stuff Thomas Jefferson believed in. Sorry to excuse myself, I have a wedding to go to. I'll be back in 3 days to continue this discussion.
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A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
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Old 04-03-2009, 06:31 PM
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Old 04-03-2009, 06:52 PM
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You're nothing if not thorough, my friend.


This one doesn't really apply, but it made me laugh so I included it:
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I could just see that being used for some poster featuring kittens or something.
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