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I did not realize how many countries rely on Russia for oil and gas, that's one reason he's getting away with the crap he's pulling. The other, is, in my opinion, Obama's retreat from the rest of the world. Plus, no one seems to have any vested interest in Ukraine so they're not motivated to jump to their aide to help them keep Putin from taking whatever he wants. Isn't this exactly what Hitler did in his quest to take over the world and make Germany all powerful.





The United Nations? Please explain that one! I don't know why they even exist, they are useless and pathetic!

For example, their latest inexplicable decision:
what would you suggest obama do? invade russia? i think his sanctions right now are fine ... lets see who you vote for in 2016 .. if rand paul gets the nomination, will you vote for him based on his stance on foreign policy?
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The United Nations? Please explain that one! I don't know why they even exist, they are useless and pathetic!
At the end of the first world war several Governments got together, to create, essentially, a house of representatives, from Old Europe. Their mission was to club together to prevent unilateral war, empire building, and to punish those who dissobeyed the view of the many representatives in a dipolmatic vote.

The problem was, it had no armed force, and so couldnt enforce anything...when Adolf wanted to invade, he simply ignored them.

The United Nations was the Mark Two version after the second world war. It was the brain child of an American President on the conclusion of the second world war, its mission, as ever, was to act as an international peace keeping force...they allowed member states to join an assembly, (once again, a house of representatives, where people from each member state could vote) but the key difference was that the Great Powers...those who had won the second world war, got special induction into a Council where each member could pull a veto. Those were England, France, America, Russia, and China...Unfortunately, as soon as these induction were done...Russia and America effectively went to war...which created the obvious problem with playing the Veto card in the security council.

In time the United Nations also decided that as well as being peace keepers, they ought to also promote development, provide aid, and monitor health on a world wide level. These subsiduries are mainly monitoring or emergency funds rather then anything geopolitical...the United Nations also created its own morality and court, so that State Leaders could be prosecuted on an international level...something the European Union has also tried to do within the European Membership...and I gotta tell you...the European court of human rights is a load of bollox...dear GOD...if we listened to them we would be letting all our criminals vote in general ellections...and allowing any criminal to go free if to deport them might make life unpleasent for them in their own country...I am FFS...thats not Justice!

Now in theory, the United Nations doesnt really have an armed force, it uses peace keeping troops from member states, but it works closely with NATO...the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation...which for all intense and purposes is now the effective military wing of the United Nations. Again, the American forces basically helpped set this up...and whilst it was supposed to be a band of friendly states who would defend each other in the case of an attack on anyone of their members...it was threatening towards the Russians

The Russians east of Germany installed puppet governments in the area they had invaded to reach berlin in the close of the war. They never retreated back to their original boarders...instead, the Governments of those nations under Russia created the exact same packt between themselves...the Warsaw packt...so that it was NATO (America) Vs Warsaw (Russia) and those were the stand off viechals of the cold war right there...eventually the USSR collapsed, and obviously the puppet governments were overthrown, and the break away eastern block became self governing...that has always upset russia...so she makes plays for various portions that she owned between second world war and cold war everysooften...as well as cutting off their supplies if they agree with the West

NATO did not break up...it still exists, but it mainly sides with the United Nations now, since its original threat, ceases to exist when the cold war ends.

NOW you see why the Europeans and the rest of the world were so shocked at what the US did in 2003. Here was a major power, a member of the security council, the country who invented this body to keep the peace and stop rouge nations acting as they wanted with consent of the majority....and you know...America paid no attention to them at all....talk about "do as I say and not as I do" That effectively distroyed the UN...although it continues...its now obviously just a case of goodwill...the Americans prooved that its worthless when they refused to follow their own created rules...for some reason President Bush believed the rules that his Country set up for international world peace did not apply to him. In so doing...he acted just like a rouge nation...he ignored the general consensus and Just like Adolf with the League of Nations...he ignored the United Nations, and off the Americans went regardless of the rest of us....now...Sure, the Americans stopped after Iraq...but they didnt need to...the UN would have been powerless to stop them, had they wished to invade the entire middle east....so the point they chose to stop is mute...by violating that code, they prooved that they dont give a toss about anyone else...

...and yet they expect everyone else to live by those rules. So when Iran comes along and wants to develope nuclear weapons...and the rest of the world say, absolutely not...give me one good reason why Iran should pay any attention whatsoever?? Do the Americans listen to the UN? No...so why is it one rule for one State and another rule for another state...that is now the fundemental issue that the rest of the world have had politically speaking with America, ever since 2003

They say that she invents rules, but wont follow them herself, and then attacks those who like her, choose not to follow the rules...you see...if your justice involves undermining the very law that justice is based on, you must, logically see that you have also become a criminal by your own standard...and thats why the huge coillition that supported the Afghanistan War, abandoned America over Iraq

Now...credit for Bush in staying in once he's gone in...and there are many other reasons besides WMD as to why he might have done what he did, many of which the Americans couldnt admit to...like, invading before a powerful Iran decided to invade...and dont think that America is alone in this...One European Government is possibly even more to blame then the American about the Veto in the UN, and about the lengths to which it would go to, in order to preserve the faulty premise for war, because the real reason couldnt be uncovered, however valid it was...if you dont know what I'm talking about here research Dr David Kelly...and get back to me
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what would you suggest obama do? invade russia? i think his sanctions right now are fine ... lets see who you vote for in 2016 .. if rand paul gets the nomination, will you vote for him based on his stance on foreign policy?
I KNEW you were going to ask me that! Below are some good ideas from K.T. McFarland on what she hoped President Obama might have said to Putin in their phone conversation. Unfortunately, her idea about the Keystone pipeline isn't happening; President Obama just delayed, again, making a decision on Keystone so that shuts down any avenues leading to options/leverage that could really hurt Russia/Putin. But he could still do some other things on her list, though, no one should hold their breath.

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How Obama could stop Putin's Ukraine power grab without firing a shot

By K.T. McFarland, Published March 03, 2014, FoxNews.com

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First: I will reverse my decision to halt the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic. America will go ahead as originally planned and build the missile shield, but an accelerated basis. That means U.S. military personal will be working alongside Polish and Czech military to construct and operate the systems. The missile shield is designed to protect Europe from Iranian missiles, but you get the point. Uniformed U.S. military will soon be stationed near the Russian border.

Second: I will reverse course on the defense budget. Your defense minister just announced Russia is negotiating basing rights in seven nations around the world. He also said you were rebuilding old Soviet era military bases in central Asia. Your parliament has just voted unanimously to invade Ukraine. In light of that, this is no time for my Secretary of Defense to announce we’re gutting our military.

Third: I will allow the Keystone Pipeline to go ahead, again on an accelerated basis. That will not only give a boost to the American and Canadian economies, it will start driving down the price of oil.

Fourth: I will give my wholehearted support for fracking and horizontal drilling. American energy companies will now develop the vast oil and gas resources that lie, literally, under our feet. We’ve seen the U.S. go from natural gas importers to exporters in less than five years and the price of gas fall accordingly. We will now do the same with oil. Analysts expect the price of oil could decline by 20%.

I don’t have to tell you what that means for the Russian economy. Your economy and government are solely dependent on energy revenues. You need oil above $90 to meet payroll. It should settle well below that within a few years time. And free markets are a great thing – they anticipate change and will start short selling you now. That will make it difficult for you to pay for food imports, subsidies, your military buildup, and of course the extremely expensive the Sochi Olympics.

Fifth: I will send a trade delegation to Poland and other countries in Central Europe to explore ways of helping them use fracking technologies to develop their own gas reserves. Chevron and Shell have already signed a $13 billion deal with Ukraine. I expect others to follow.

At the same time I will throw roadblocks in front of any American energy company that seeks to develop your eastern Siberian fields. Your existing oil fields in western Siberia have, maybe, a decade left. You need our technology to develop new ones. You’re not getting it.

Sixth: It’s time we refocus on Western Europe’s over-dependence on Russian natural gas. We will explore ways to export our newfound natural gas surpluses to Europe by underwriting building of LNG terminals to accept imports from America. And while we’re at it, we will reassure our NATO allies, especially those that used to be under Soviet control, that Article Five of the NATO charter is still valid. If you are setting your sights on them next, think again. It’s all for one and one for all.

Seventh: It’s high time we expand our relations with the oil and gas rich nations of central Asia. We will extend invitations to each of them to visit Washington, to see how America and American energy companies might work with them to build pipelines to get their energy exports to Europe and beyond bypassing Russia.

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Kathleen Troia "K.T." McFarland is a Fox News National Security Analyst and host of FoxNews.com's "DefCon 3." She served in national security posts in the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations. She was an aide to Dr. Henry Kissinger at the White House, and in 1984 Ms. McFarland wrote Secretary of Defense Weinberger's groundbreaking "Principles of War " speech. She received the Defense Department's highest civilian award for her work in the Reagan administration.
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anyone can give their opinion on what the potus should be doing . but its easier said than done ... the right are going to paint a picture of obama as one of the worst presidents in history .. after his term, he will probably be ranked somewhere in the top half of previous presidents .. the fact that he got a second term says a lot .. if the dems win the presidency in 2016, this will further solidify his spot as a better than average president ..
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anyone can give their opinion on what the potus should be doing . but its easier said than done ... the right are going to paint a picture of obama as one of the worst presidents in history .. after his term, he will probably be ranked somewhere in the top half of previous presidents .. the fact that he got a second term says a lot .. if the dems win the presidency in 2016, this will further solidify his spot as a better than average president ..
She's not just anyone. Did you even read her suggestions? Why aren't you commenting or arguing specifically why you disagree with them, why you think they wouldn't work? I do think especially in this day and age that it is more important than ever for us to be present as a world leader. Do you think that retreat from the world stage and appeasement has made us look stronger or weaker to Putin and our enemies? I'd think being next door to us you would be very concerned with what has happened under this American President. Would you believe him if he told Canada, "We've got your back."? You think Netanyahu trusts that he's got their back?

Yeah, I'm still dumbfounded about him being re-elected. It brings to mind that saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
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She's not just anyone. Did you even read her suggestions? Why aren't you commenting or arguing specifically why you disagree with them, why you think they wouldn't work? I do think especially in this day and age that it is more important than ever for us to be present as a world leader. Do you think that retreat from the world stage and appeasement has made us look stronger or weaker to Putin and our enemies? I'd think being next door to us you would be very concerned with what has happened under this American President. Would you believe him if he told Canada, "We've got your back."? You think Netanyahu trusts that he's got their back?

Yeah, I'm still dumbfounded about him being re-elected. It brings to mind that saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me."
i read the suggestions, on paper it sounds right, but its easier said then done ... do i think obama is perfect? nope .. this started all back with snowden, and you are right, it makes the US look like a pushover a bit ... but i think thats fine .. because the US is doing the right thing by not giving this mad man much attention .. i think the sanctions are fine .. imo, i would have boycotted the olympics over the snowden thing, but that's just me ... i feel more than comfortable with the US as having our back, because obama hasn't been alienating his allies by trying to show putin who has the bigger umm ...

putin is looking to start wwiii and i think something big is inevitable ..
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1) I will reverse my decision to halt the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic. America will go ahead as originally planned and build the missile shield, but an accelerated basis. That means U.S. military personal will be working alongside Polish and Czech military to construct and operate the systems. The missile shield is designed to protect Europe from Iranian missiles, but you get the point. Uniformed U.S. military will soon be stationed near the Russian border.

2) I will allow the Keystone Pipeline to go ahead, again on an accelerated basis. That will not only give a boost to the American and Canadian economies, it will start driving down the price of oil.

3) I will give my wholehearted support for fracking and horizontal drilling
Actually, the United States agreed to host Missile bases for Starwars all across the Easter Block, and several states signed up. I was in America, in Virginia when the papers reported that Obama had decided to stop the Starwars programme.

Now what do you suppose Russia did to those States who had said YES to America before she pulled out of the deal At least one Government was toppled democratically because the decision to say yes to the Americans had not been democratically aggreed upon by the populas, and when America pulled out, she left those who had sided with her to faulter.

So The Governments in that region are different from the ones who said yes before, and some of them will probably not say yes if asked again, because they know unless the US follows through swiftly, they will be crushed amid a tide of Pro-Russians who do NOT want Starwars because they wholeheartedly believe that its re-ignites the cold war threat.

Barack Obama should NEVER have stopped the programme in the first place...also its a long term thing and he is no longer a long term officiate is he...the last thing the eastern block want is to have a new President arrive in the US that they do not know who might be different to the most recent and long running incumbant. Hopefully, that WILL happen, and a new Republican officiate will be installed, one who will re-open the prospect of Starwars, and have the guts to see it through.

I live less then two miles from a Starwars listening base you know RAF Menwithhill airbase, was given to the Americans along with Fylingdales...which is not to far away from me, on the north yorkshire moors.
Menwith is north west of Harrogate and looks like a set of giant golf balls, its got its own village also by the same name. Fylingdales on the other hand is honnest to GOD in the middle of nowhere, a huge, solid concreate pyramid-toblerone type structure in the middle of a moor...viewed only by the coastliner Bus which runs along the single road past it enroute to scarborough...When I first saw Fylingdales, I wondered what it was...it looks like some alienspaceship has landed or something and because the land is high in altitude and flat, you can see it for miles in all directions I dont know how it is on fylingdales...but in Menwith village, its mostly Americans, and Harrogate is teeming with American Forces personnel...one of which, a Black guy, I walk past every morning on my way to work (I walk a mile to work...it must only be a mile and a half from where I pass him...but he waits for a bus ) The Station is looked after by the British Ministry of Defence Police...one of those obscure and tiny forces that noone knows anything about...they are one of the very few forces allowed to carry firearms...the British Transport police carry machine guns of some description...and I've never encountered the counter-terrorist agencies to the best of my knowledge so I couldnt tell you what they carry...but the MOD Police carry these little peashooters They are always comming into store off duty...and yet still armed...I'm sure thats illegal...but i've yet to ask them

2) Dont know much about that one

3) I would be concerned of doing that in certain parts of the United States, because it can destabalize tectonics, and you dont want that to happen near a major western seaboard city anytime soon.

I reserve judgement on the supposed environmental dangers until its fully opporational and know more, but I know Fracking is considered a bad prospect by many in this country
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i read the suggestions, on paper it sounds right, but its easier said then done ... do i think obama is perfect? nope .. this started all back with snowden, and you are right, it makes the US look like a pushover a bit ... but i think thats fine .. because the US is doing the right thing by not giving this mad man much attention .. i think the sanctions are fine .. imo, i would have boycotted the olympics over the snowden thing, but that's just me ... i feel more than comfortable with the US as having our back, because obama hasn't been alienating his allies by trying to show putin who has the bigger umm ...

putin is looking to start wwiii and i think something big is inevitable ..
He could do all of those things, RNC, but he won't! He should have never stopped the missle defence system for those countries bordering Russia. You don't think that decision played a part in Putin's plans? Dave is right, what other leaders/countries do or don't do, DOES have an impact on the rest of the world. Can you not see how President Obama's retreat has emboldened the likes of Putin and Bashar al-Assad, as well as Al-Qaeda and other radicals? His actions here at home and abroad have painted the picture of Obama; both our enemies and allies see him clearly. Our enemies now know they can kill us with impunity, while our allies have to be wondering if they can trust us.
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Actually, the United States agreed to host Missile bases for Starwars all across the Easter Block, and several states signed up. I was in America, in Virginia when the papers reported that Obama had decided to stop the Starwars programme.

Now what do you suppose Russia did to those States who had said YES to America before she pulled out of the deal At least one Government was toppled democratically because the decision to say yes to the Americans had not been democratically aggreed upon by the populas, and when America pulled out, she left those who had sided with her to faulter.

So The Governments in that region are different from the ones who said yes before, and some of them will probably not say yes if asked again, because they know unless the US follows through swiftly, they will be crushed amid a tide of Pro-Russians who do NOT want Starwars because they wholeheartedly believe that its re-ignites the cold war threat.

Barack Obama should NEVER have stopped the programme in the first place...also its a long term thing and he is no longer a long term officiate is he...the last thing the eastern block want is to have a new President arrive in the US that they do not know who might be different to the most recent and long running incumbant. Hopefully, that WILL happen, and a new Republican officiate will be installed, one who will re-open the prospect of Starwars, and have the guts to see it through.

I live less then two miles from a Starwars listening base you know RAF Menwithhill airbase, was given to the Americans along with Fylingdales...which is not to far away from me, on the north yorkshire moors.
Menwith is north west of Harrogate and looks like a set of giant golf balls, its got its own village also by the same name. Fylingdales on the other hand is honnest to GOD in the middle of nowhere, a huge, solid concreate pyramid-toblerone type structure in the middle of a moor...viewed only by the coastliner Bus which runs along the single road past it enroute to scarborough...When I first saw Fylingdales, I wondered what it was...it looks like some alienspaceship has landed or something and because the land is high in altitude and flat, you can see it for miles in all directions I dont know how it is on fylingdales...but in Menwith village, its mostly Americans, and Harrogate is teeming with American Forces personnel...one of which, a Black guy, I walk past every morning on my way to work (I walk a mile to work...it must only be a mile and a half from where I pass him...but he waits for a bus ) The Station is looked after by the British Ministry of Defence Police...one of those obscure and tiny forces that noone knows anything about...they are one of the very few forces allowed to carry firearms...the British Transport police carry machine guns of some description...and I've never encountered the counter-terrorist agencies to the best of my knowledge so I couldnt tell you what they carry...but the MOD Police carry these little peashooters They are always comming into store off duty...and yet still armed...I'm sure thats illegal...but i've yet to ask them

2) Dont know much about that one

3) I would be concerned of doing that in certain parts of the United States, because it can destabalize tectonics, and you dont want that to happen near a major western seaboard city anytime soon.

I reserve judgement on the supposed environmental dangers until its fully opporational and know more, but I know Fracking is considered a bad prospect by many in this country
1) I agree, he should have followed thru putting missile defense systems in Poland and the Czech Republic; he caved to Putin.

2) His brilliant plan is to reduce our army to pre-WWII levels.

3) We need that pipeline. They say it's safer to have the oil transported via the pipeline versus the current system using rail. We need to be energy self-reliant!

4) I'm not certain of the long-term consequences of fracking, but we have to find a way to get to our own rich resources. Other countries too so they don't find themselves held hostage and at the mercy of another country who provides their oil and gas.
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He could do all of those things, RNC, but he won't! He should have never stopped the missle defence system for those countries bordering Russia. You don't think that decision played a part in Putin's plans? Dave is right, what other leaders/countries do or don't do, DOES have an impact on the rest of the world. Can you not see how President Obama's retreat has emboldened the likes of Putin and Bashar al-Assad, as well as Al-Qaeda and other radicals? His actions here at home and abroad have painted the picture of Obama; both our enemies and allies see him clearly. Our enemies now know they can kill us with impunity, while our allies have to be wondering if they can trust us.
maybe he could have done all of those ... i know that from our end, the delay on the pipeline is a good idea .. unless you live out west ... our gov't needs to look more at the environmental issues with the oil sands .. but that's another story ..

and i understand your outlook, but i think most of it is fear mongering of the right to its voters and well, those on the fence .. imo, the US is safer now than it was under clinton and bush ... i think the fact that obama is not acting unilaterially like his predecessors, the US is gaining respect from its allies .. the enemies are always going to hate the US, can't increase that .. but with more respect from allies, more countries will be willing to help the US out with Obama's tactics ...
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