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I dont think you understand what effect the recession we are in is having on THIS country. Things in England are not the same as things in the US...I hope to GOD none of those guys the UFC fired, used the money from them as their sole income...if they did...they may never fight again...they may not have the money to sustain the ability to train.... I would NOT like to be a British Fighter who isnt in a STABLE JOB WITH ITS GOD GIVEN EMPLOYMENT RIGHTS and not be in the UFC...coz I dont know whether that would actually work or not...Things in America as SOOOOO CHEAP EVEN IN A RECCESSION...in England...trust me...You DO NOT want to be Jobless in Europe or the United Kingdom at the moment. Like I say, im reasonably sure those guys basically did UFC as an extra part time job. otherwise, its no Joke...White could have ruined their lives
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Dave you are acting like the British fighters that he cut were close to title shots and that is not the case at all. Mills was 1-2 in his last 3 fights, Etim was 1-3 in his last 4 and Sass lost his last 2. The fact is that these guys were not performing and because of that they were cut. When you sign a contract with the UFC you understand that if you don't perform you will be cut.
The UFC is bigger now than it ever has been. It is on FOX, has giant sponsors, and is being talked about more now than it ever was. The same goes for the fighters. ESPN now talks about MMA and the biggest stars of the UFC are 10 times more popular than the stars of the past. Arthur Jones was in the Super Bowl and they referred to him as Jon Jones' brother. Ronda Rousey is getting national attention and ESPN.com is talking about her fight on their main page. You are acting like the UFC just cut 1/3 of its top fighters. Like I said before, not one guy who was cut was in the top 5 on their division. To say that Bellator will over take the UFC by 2015 is crazy. What prime UFC stock will they be using? Right now their #2 LW is fighting in court to go to the UFC. Their biggest name, King Mo, just got KOed by spinning back fist last night and the their biggest name fighter before that, Hector Lombard, is in the UFC. Out of the fighters the UFC has cut so far a grand total of ZERO are "prime UFC stock". In fact you couldn't build a card from that list of fighters that I would watch if it was going on in my own backyard. Dana is not cutting prime UFC fighters, he is cutting a bunch of mid-card guys that 95% of MMA fans won't even miss. Dave I have heard you cry about Dana's decisions for years now. You keep saying that he is not listening to the people, he doesn't know what he's doing and he is going to run the UFC in to the ground, yet the UFC is stronger than ever. Face it, Dana knows more about how to run a business than you do, and he has proven it with his ability to grow the UFC from nothing into a global company.
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I'm not really interested in the fickle and fairweather "New/Uneducated fan" relating MMA as UFC isnt correct, and once they learn that, they will know, and if they dont learn it, they probably are the sort to never come back
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I have said before that I have felt bad for the UK fans. I think you all get the crappiest cards when they decide to come to the UK. You all were lucky to get a title fight because most of the time it looks like a regional show with little to no non-UK fighters. Quote:
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Here is a blog that I subscribe to of someone that wrote about something very similar today....take a look: http://shomanart.tumblr.com/post/437...95/haters-ball Quote:
I don't think Urijah is as at-risk as they are playing it out to be, but he should be careful. Urijah is what...0-5 in title fights since he was champ. He lost badly in his last fight and another loss would hurt. But here is the thing, the 135 pound division is very small with a handful of top contenders. He also has a huge following and even today could be successful headlining an event. Let's look at some other fighters....BJ Penn is 0-2-1 in his last 3, should he be around? Frankie Edgar is 0-3...Joe Lauzon is 1-2...Rashad Evans is 1-2, Nick Diaz and Carlos Condit could both be 1-2 after their next fight. Are these all favorites? Probably, but they are putting butts in the seats. I can't speak for Mac Danzig, but Leonard Garcia comes to fight everytime and he is a fighter that I remember. The UFC wants and is trying to make fighters household names....what is wrong with that? I get being a fan and following your favorite fighters wherever they fight. I get feeling for these guys when they get cut or have something unfortunate happen. That's what makes you a good person. But don't try and take what happens to them personal or hold a grudge. MMA is a sport, the UFC is a business....the two have to be viewed separate.
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Its taken TUF how many seasons to make a small come back? Its Saturated the Market so much, Forums dont have chance to talk about one card before the next Its prices remain the same, which have led to a lack of sell outs 2) Its NOT a Global Company...thats the pharse that they tell themselves in America, because they are known in the majority of States...Hey...news for you...being successful in the US, DOESNT equate to being a "Global" Company. What they've prooved is that havent a sodding clue about anything outside the US. They ARE CATEGORICALLY NOT MAINSTREAM IN ENGLAND....the majority of the British dont buy PPVs, and Can not see the footage through purpose built media that doesnt extend to these shores...We are still downloading naughtiness...and thats harder then ever to attain The Americans might be prepared to pay...but you guys are NOT living under the austerity measures in place in England...and im damn sure that much of Europe is even worse off money wise They dont even Employ Globally!! as I showed. a Global Company...like any American Firm that employs people in England MUST abide by British Employment Law...the UFC DO NOT...because technically speaking they ONLY EMPLOY FROM THE US...Even British and European Fighters that work for them in their countries of origin, are Employed IN THE US in terms of Legality. They are NOT a Global Firm...they are an American Firm, who believe that since they are mainstream in the US, and put the odd show on foreign soil with people recruited and Employed onsite, and use those foreigners, in the foreign shows...that they are Global. Its Bollox Max...its a Facade which you wouldnt know unless you lived and worked in one of those foreign countries. A Global Company is like Wal-Mart....Wal-Mart own properties and Staff in different countries, and different parts of their trading empire is managed under different laws. I work for an American Company...and how can you tell its Global...and not Local with an International Outlet? Because, UNLIKE THE UFC, in this Country Wal-Mart MUST abide by BRITISH EMPLOYMENT LAW....Heck...even the rather dodgy, asset stripping American Company that my Father worked for, before it went bust last month, with outlets all over Europe and China...even they were more "Global" "Global" is a classification, when you apply it to a business...it doesnt mean they have outlets or projects in different countries! It means they have bases in other countries, that are permanent and abide by whatever countries laws they are situated in. My Fathers old company...they were truely diverse...in America, they could sack a director in two weeks for no other reason then they didnt like him. In England, to sack someone of the same position, they had to go through three disciplinary hearings, or start the eleven week change of contract clause....GOD knows the rules that govern Chinese Employment. ONLY in America, could you even HAVE such an opinion....is the UFC even on the American stock exchange?? Let alone the British
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I'll come back and answer the rest of these tommorow
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Women have no place in MMA as far as im concerned. I hold nothing against Women who want to, but I dont think its right. I have rather Archaic views on what I think Women should and should not do, and how they are to be treated. Would they have tollerated Women fighting in Rome I disaprove, I really do. Especially at the expense of good male stock. 2) Can I tell you a little secret. The price the UFC get on PPV sales and the Gate, are not a token on what they pay their fighters. They must be some of the WORST Capitalists to work for in the entire world. The UFC can change what it provides for Fighters to reduce costs considerably...but I doubt extending the show by three or four bouts will have that much effect. 3) That should matter, if you wish the UFC to be anything more then an American company...Dana White wont lead the insitution for ever...he holds sway due to charisma...a charisma that would be hard for his successor to follow...would be a shame to find that a new person is confronted by a tone of burnt bridges wouldnt it 4) thats because we are second class citizens...the UFCs first mistake is to try and market British Fighters, to Brits 5) Do I come across as the kind of person who approves of work place politics to you 6) Most big businesses have an automated system of response at the very least. In England is is considered the height of rudeness not to respond to someone (with the exception of a job application where it is made explicitly clear that contact within a certain time scale means your through to the next round...and therefore a lack of a response...is in and of itself, a clear signalto you) Why would you bother to publicise your postal address and other details if you didnt wish contact? Now...is there a chance that a personal secretary deals with it...of course...never expect to hear from the persons themselves...is there a chance said correspondance got lost in the post...yes of course...but for that to happen, repeatedly...No. That is more an indicator that someone just cant be arsed to acknowledge you...to a Briton, that is tremendously disrespectful. Besides...I have contact with MMA fighters all the time...direct, easy access. But the Fighters themselves are just slaves to the UFC...with the odd exception...and those odd exceptions, inevitably choose to completely ignore me. I frighten them, because I tell them what I think, and they are scared of me because I hold them to account...and that means if they do something wrong...people will hear about it. Must, at all costs protect ones reputation, mustnt one 7) the UFC didnt distroy this forum....the talk of Hughes retireing about four years before he actually did...and double forum server jumps did irraperable damage before 2010. Since then, well, I personally blame the administration, of which I am no longer a part. Following the mass exodus in 2010, the place began to naturally dry up as Hughes really did move to retire. Coupled with that was the significant loss of many of the Boffins, issues over the Christianity Section and the Politics Section was also responsible for driving people out. Some might also say my dominance played a part. I had one hell of a post count...before the first server jump 10percent of this forum was totally me...thats probably not a good thing for anyone who doesnt like me But as I explained...the UFC saturation of the market has damaged the online community whose buzz revolved around those weeks of arguing about fighters in an upcoming match, and digesting the results. Now...even on this forum, we classify non-numbered events without a title match as not even important enough to raise a predictions thread on. Entire events go by without people being passionate about any of it...infact...people just sometimes need a break from it all. 8) The UFC pays alot more then the local fights in England...A LOT MORE. The UFC show more kindness to their affiliates then their own staff...thats even less moral then walking away 9) Trust me. He is at risk. Wait and see what they do If he fails this weekend. Dana White wasnt kidding. The barrels at the temple I'm afraid...and I quote "It could be a very bad night for Urijah" Russian Roulette anyone 10) Its not a sign of my general Morality...its a sign of my Loyalty. The UFC didnt just sack a fighter...they sacked a friend...someone who I knew, and spoke to YEARS before anything to do with the UFC. Thats personal. You dont piss on my friends and expect me to keep peace. If you hurt someone that I am Loyal to, you have insulted me. I dont suffer fools gladly. Its takes suprisingly little for me to consider someone an enemy and then to go to War if needs be. I've heard the classic response from Americans on this one is: Dont defend them coz it makes them look weak. But If I dont defend them, I can claim no loyalty...because thats what Loyalty is all about. Infact it shows itself best and mostly in times like this. I expect my reaction has raised a few eyebrows of suprise that I care so much...but Loyalty sometimes only shows itself when its being tested....and besides all that I despise Injustice...I believe companies should act in a moral manner...the two combined is a catalyst to fuel my Modus Operandi
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As for them being a global company, the UFC is different than a lot of other companies. The UFC doesn't own the venues they hold their fights in so because of this there is no reason for them to have an office in every city that they do business in. In the US they are based out of Las Vegas and to my knowledge they don't have any other offices any place else. The fighters are their employees but its not like the fighters go to the UFC gym and work each day. Since the UFC doesn't need offices in every country they hold an event they can prob just have a few people over see their operations outside of the US. In fact the Executive Vice President and Managing Director of Europe, Middle East and Africa for the UFC is Garry Cook, former CEO of Manchester City. Their Executive Vice President & Managing Director of Asia is Mark Fischer, http://cn.linkedin.com/pub/mark-fischer/10/247/30b there's his LinkedIn page incase anyone wanted to see what other jobs he has had. So clearly the UFC is global enough that they felt that they needed to get VP's to cover areas outside of the US. The UFC is a privately owned company, it is owned by Zuffa (which is owned by the Fertitta brothers, Dana White and Sheik Tahnoon), so no it is not on any stock exchange.
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