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Old 01-19-2010, 02:10 AM
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In some of those instances, Israel WANTED to walk away from GOD and follow the ways of the world; but GOD wouldn't allow it. He would step in, judge them and then forgive them when they repented. I think He does the same for born-again believers. Even if we tried to walk away from GOD, He would only allow that for so long, then He would step in and essentially knock us flat on our backs, forcing us to look up at Him again.
But if we still refused to look back up at God.. then we would eventually die.. and without returning to God.. we would then be dammed again.. and losing our Salvation..

The idea of Hitler.. being saved .. a follower of the Word... and then becoming the Hitler we all know.. would be a perfect example... IMO...

You could also say that people that kill themselves would lose their salvation..


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So does this mean that we give up our free will when we become saved? To a degree, yes:
Agreed. God tells us what he wants from us... it's up to us to choose to do it or not. Just like a kid in their parents home... only so much will is truly free
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Old 01-19-2010, 03:58 AM
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But if we still refused to look back up at God.. then we would eventually die.. and without returning to God.. we would then be dammed again.. and losing our Salvation..
We clearly need to define the term "salvation" before continuing any further with this discussion.

When you refer to being "saved" or "salvation" what are you referring to?

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The idea of Hitler.. being saved .. a follower of the Word... and then becoming the Hitler we all know.. would be a perfect example... IMO...
There is no historical evidence suggesting Hitler was ever a Christian. There is some evidence that suggests he was not a Christian (primarily his involvement in the occult). However, since we can't be sure, we just have to examine his fruits. Did he produce good fruits or bad fruits in his life? Clearly he produced only bad fruits, so we can be assured that he was never saved.

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You could also say that people that kill themselves would lose their salvation..
No, I don't believe that at all; but that's a completely different can of worms.

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Agreed. God tells us what he wants from us... it's up to us to choose to do it or not. Just like a kid in their parents home... only so much will is truly free
However, the difference is that when you are saved, you willingly put GOD in charge of every aspect of your life and you agree to put GOD first in your life: ahead of your spouse, ahead of your parents, ahead of your children, ahead of your country, ahead of your job, ahead of everything; but most importantly, ahead of yourself. If you never did that, then you were never saved to begin with.
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