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Old 12-12-2009, 05:06 PM
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Default British Schools Don't Push Gifted Students In Effort To Avoid "Elitism"

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As many as three-quarters of state schools are failing to push their brightest pupils because teachers are reluctant to promote 'elitism', an Ofsted study says today.

Many teachers are not convinced of the importance of providing more challenging tasks for their gifted and talented pupils.

Bright youngsters told inspectors they were forced to ask for harder work. Others were resentful at being dragooned into 'mentoring' weaker pupils.
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In nearly three-quarters of 26 schools studied, pupils designated as being academically gifted or talented in sport or the arts were 'not a priority', Ofsted found.

Teachers feared that a focus on the brightest pupils would 'undermine the school's efforts to improve the attainment and progress of all other groups of pupils'.

Head teachers told inspectors that ministers had failed to give a strong enough signal that catering for gifted pupils should be central to schools' work.

Schools are meant to identify the top 5 to 10 per cent of pupils as 'gifted and talented' and ensure they are given appropriate tasks to help them achieve their potential.

By September 2010, such pupils should expect to receive written confirmation from their school of the extra activities and master-classes they will benefit from.

The schools in the study, 17 secondary and nine primary, were chosen because they had been told to improve provision for gifted pupils.

Previous studies have pointed to a widespread ideological reluctance in schools and local authorities to champion academic excellence.

A separate study has called for the introduction of academic selection at the age of 13 or 14 to identify pupils who excel at science.

The study, by Professor Alan Smithers and Dr Pamela Robinson of Buckingham University, said it was 'a nonsense' that specialist science schools were barred from selecting pupils according to their ability in science.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0ZUzJP1Vu
What a waste! Another story suggesting that Britain is committing suicide.
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:08 PM
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What a waste! Another story suggesting that Britain is committing suicide.
I'm against all forms of Elitism. The British Educational System used to be virtually a Caste system. Only the bright sparks were mentored at Grammar Schools and the rest were left.

Being someone who has always struggled on an academic level, I get very annoyed by schools prioritizing the gifted over the general populas. Before you know it Schools are only accepting entrants based on past grades or exam results.

I went to The Lincoln School of Science and Technology, it was heavily over subscribed, one of the new "grant maintained technology colleages" that opened in 1992...I joined in 1993...my entrance guarenteed that both my Sisters could get into the school. But by 1996, I would have not been eligable to even gain entry to the school. Outrageous. The majority of people are not bright and gifted, and its the majority of the people who make up the worlds workforce, its about time the schools focused their attention on lifting those who actually need to be educated, rather then those who are naturally clever.

The majority of people are grunts, lets face the truth. They spend their whole lives doing some job which anyone could do. A job which thousands of other people do. Very few are professors or inventors, or something special....and its lack of education. Its horrific, I know people with Top level degrees in subjects like Maths and Science...and WTF are they doing? they are working a grunts job earning less then the very low national average. It works both ways...even if you educate people there is no guarentee they will be anything other then over qualified for the job they do. I am seriously over qualified for the job I do...noone with a degree should be earning less then 25K a year...

ELEVEN K BEFORE TAX.

But dont worry...the truely bright sparks always end up being payed a lot more. LMAO...I do have two sisters, one is a high flying accountant...imagine how much she earns..
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:35 PM
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It's not unheard of. Public schools in America won't seperate problem kids from the academic. They lump them all together.

I blame the teachers more then anyone. If a student wants to be challenged they should be.
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Old 12-14-2009, 01:49 PM
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It's not unheard of. Public schools in America won't seperate problem kids from the academic. They lump them all together.

I blame the teachers more then anyone. If a student wants to be challenged they should be.

there is a difference between "problem" kids...and just those that are not very bright.

plus...there is nothing stopping a student asking to be challenged...In British Schools they do already do bandings...so they try and make sure all the gifted are taught in the same class, that way they can challenge the whole lot of them together...does that make sense
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Happens here too. My oldest daughter is gifted but wasn't tested until 6th grade because several of her teachers didn't "believe" in the gifted program. And one even told me she didn't suggest that Alana get tested because she was so "disorganized" (a hallmark of gifted individuals, duh).

I finally discovered that I could insist on her being tested by the school (she's my first kid--I didn't know, thought the school had to do it). And it turned out that she had the highest IQ of any kid to ever be tested at that school. Hmmm....

I completely understand not wanting to promote elitism, but these kids NEED to be challenged. She was BORED through most of elementary school. And statistically, the dropout rate of intellectually gifted students is roughly the same as others, but for different reasons. They need more challenging coursework. Once she started getting it, she blossomed.
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Old 12-14-2009, 02:46 PM
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It's not unheard of. Public schools in America won't seperate problem kids from the academic. They lump them all together.

I blame the teachers more then anyone. If a student wants to be challenged they should be.
Its not the teachers fault, its the systems fault. The ability of the teachers to really teach has been taken away and they have become babysitters.
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Old 12-15-2009, 12:50 AM
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Its not the teachers fault, its the systems fault. The ability of the teachers to really teach has been taken away and they have become babysitters.

Wow....are you sitting in the back of my classroom?!?

Thank you for that thought. In a lot of ways we HAVE become babysitters. And it's frustrating..........

And sometimes when an article says "Teachers say"...or "Teachers said" I wonder who they actually spoke with. Did they speak with a respected teacher who has years of experience and knowledge of best academic practices or did they speak with one bone head who was only too happy to talk with a reporter and get themselves in the paper. Sometimes the teachers with the biggest mouths are not the most respected in a school system.

Actually, it can be the fault of both the teachers AND the system. There are good and bad teachers just like there are good and bad in everything in life. But as PrimaDawn points out, it's up to the parent to be the advocate for the child and push to get what he/she needs in the classroom.

As for our school, we do a lot to help ALL of our students. We have basic skills programs AND gifted and talented programs. So I'm sure we improve in a lot of areas but I think we are doing a pretty good job!
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Old 12-15-2009, 02:07 AM
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I struggled all through school and hate to go because it was LAME!!! I didnt do my work so they thought I should be in classes to help me catch up to the rest of the kids my age. I loved those classes but they didnt last because I wasnt behind, i was just lazy and bored. So i just continued to struggle all the way till the 11th grade and when my girlfriend was going to take a test to get into college she talked me into taking it also. So i took the ACT and scored a 24.2. Blew everyone away. All of a sudden some of my teachers want me to do all kinds of tests and come to find out that I should have been in gifted classes the whole time. I got bad grades because I was lazy, I am to blame. It is my fault so dont misunderstand me when i say that I wish someone had taken an interest in it earlier and maybe things would be different. I cant complain though, I love my life just the way it is. I do support the gifted programs because if a kid can do better, he should be allowed to. I dont think gifted children should be given more attention than others, just different attention. Same way with special edducation kids. In louisiana it is bad, we have kids in high school who cant read and the teacher has to hold up the entire class just for a few kids. I say let the gifted go and be challenged.
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