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Old 06-16-2009, 08:18 PM
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I am totally against any type of National Health Care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats the worst thing ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-16-2009, 10:07 PM
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Do you see the hypocrisy in this statement? I thought your argument was that Nationalized Healthcare would not lead to less treatment of individuals, yet your saying these free clinics, run by the government, only see a certain amount of patients a day. Care to clarify?
No, i did not say free clinics run by the government.

I said free clinics. (I did not say free clinics run by the government)
There is no free clinic run by the government where I live.
It is privately funded by donation, and they can only afford to see X amount of patients a day.

So, how am I a hypocrite?
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Old 06-18-2009, 01:38 AM
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Competition has always driven a market on anything to be better. If the government takes over our health care then what will be the motivation to do better?




(And why wouldn't this monopoly be a violation of the Sherman Antitrust Act? )
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Old 06-18-2009, 05:13 AM
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No, I'm saying that they are "massaging" the numbers and manipulating the statistics to say exactly what they want them to say. I don't distrust all statistics, however I would never make a decision based solely on statistics. Simply because I know how easily they can be manipulated. It was a topic that I learned a lot about in both Sociology and Psychology while I was in college.

And, yes, I don't trust any International or World organization. Any government body that big and that powerful can't be anything but corrupt.

I also don't understand this notion that the US must be popular in the world, or the fantasy that we were ever well respected by the entire world at any point in the past. I've found anti-America posters from France dating as far back as 1950. Only five years after we saved their butts from the Nazis and they're back to hating us again. Trying to turn foreign policy into a popularity contest is just a losing battle. And trying to conform to other nations for the sole purpose of being popular is nonsense.

So, how we're perceived by the world because of our healthcare system is irrelevant. If these nations don't hate us for that, then they'll just find another reason to hate us.
That the truth for sure,if its one thing it will be another.
Theres gotta be something to help with healthcare in the US. Not everyone is fortunate to have a high paying job or able to afford good healthcare and I think everyone should have it in some form.
Its not an easy fix and your not gonna make everyone happy no matter what ya do. Im not in total agreement with a gov't controlled healthcare,but I wouldn't be opposed to some form of it. Maybe a select few centers that gov't run that competes w/private firms,always think competition is healthy.
I think the first thing to have better health care is to get ur population healthy by eating healthy and avoiding unneccesary drugs,foods,additives etc...I think the healthcare insurence industry and credit card industry is the most evil industries and are practially allowed to do anything they want.
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Old 06-18-2009, 12:49 PM
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Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

The truth goes back to what Ronald Reagan said about nationalized health care 50-plus years ago. It's one of the first ways a government tries to initiate socialism.
I agree completely and here is some of the audio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOZsD9X4R6A
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Old 06-18-2009, 01:45 PM
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That the truth for sure,if its one thing it will be another.
Theres gotta be something to help with healthcare in the US. Not everyone is fortunate to have a high paying job or able to afford good healthcare and I think everyone should have it in some form.
Its not an easy fix and your not gonna make everyone happy no matter what ya do. Im not in total agreement with a gov't controlled healthcare,but I wouldn't be opposed to some form of it. Maybe a select few centers that gov't run that competes w/private firms,always think competition is healthy.
I think the first thing to have better health care is to get ur population healthy by eating healthy and avoiding unneccesary drugs,foods,additives etc...I think the healthcare insurence industry and credit card industry is the most evil industries and are practially allowed to do anything they want.
I agree that there are areas to work on. And the gov't does help some. As far as I know, every county has a Health Dept for govt approved things like immunizations, etc. Then every county has a gov't affiliated ER where no one can be turned away. And then most have a clinic to deal with chronic disease such as Diabetes and Hypertension, etc. So, we have some good help.

I still think that competition is the best way to go. If the gov't wants to get in involved then they should implement some regulations for the private sector.. For instance, they could force the insurance companies to provide better rates individuals, like maybe the same rates as they allow through an employer. Allow each individual to pick and choose their plan. For example, some states require that the insurance cover smokers, pysch, etc. If you know you don't need that type of coverage then you shouldnt have to pay extra. Also, allow people to shop around and buy from companies in other states if they want. This would create a lot of competition and drive prices down. AND this would allow the private sector to continue as they choose and the gov't would have more money to implement healthcare only for the ones who wanted and/or needed it.
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Old 06-18-2009, 01:54 PM
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I am totally against any type of National Health Care!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thats the worst thing ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I can think of a lot worse things .. LOL ...
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