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Old 10-11-2013, 02:13 AM
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... but until then, i guess i am just talking out my ass!
Well, for now, we can both agree on that.
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This is a disaster.
Should we notify FEMA?

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I think I love him, too.
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Now that the Prez got his clear continuing resolution and extension on the debt ceiling, looks like some Dems up for re-election are now willing to vote to delay the mandate and penalty so Obamacare can be "tweeked".

The bad thing is, all those people, maybe as many as 16 million, whose insurance companies have dropped them, or are dropping them, because of Obamacare, they would have insurance up to Dec. 31, but on January 1, they would be uninsured if there is nothing there to cover them. What was the purpose of Obamacare?

Now he's wanting to move on to immigration. We know what that means, amnesty for votes.
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BCBS dropped 300,000 people in Florida this week. Remember the part about not losing your insurance?

Oh and WalMart where my wife works no longer covers spouses. Like Home Depot and so many other companies. Unreal.
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BCBS dropped 300,000 people in Florida this week. Remember the part about not losing your insurance?

Oh and WalMart where my wife works no longer covers spouses. Like Home Depot and so many other companies. Unreal.
Well, he *said* he was going to fundamentally transform the United States (all 57 of them!) We just never DREAMED that this was what he meant.
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BCBS dropped 300,000 people in Florida this week. Remember the part about not losing your insurance?

Oh and WalMart where my wife works no longer covers spouses. Like Home Depot and so many other companies. Unreal.
The White House KNEW in 2010 that millions of people would be losing their current health plans due to the requirements of Obamacare and now the proof has been uncovered! There is no doubt that President Obama lied repeatedly to the American people about being able to keep their own health plan if they were happy with it.

Here are two articles about it. I agree with Marc Thiessen (first article) who believes it was an "intended" consequence that people would lose their health plans so that they would be forced into the Obamacare exchanges. It makes sense when you read the 2nd article that describes the grandfathered clause that was supposed to allow people to keep their own health plans, that is until HHS wrote regulations they knew would nullify the clause causing millions to lose their health plans and be forced into Obamacare.

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White House knew as early as 2010 millions would lose health plans under ObamaCare

Published October 29, 2013

Conservative commentator Marc Thiessen accused President Obama of a “bold-faced lie” Monday after Fox News confirmed the White House knew as early as 2010 that over 10 million people would lose their current doctor under ObamaCare.

Megyn Kelly reported Monday on “The Kelly File” that an IRS regulation pushed by the Department of Health and Human Services in 2010 estimated that millions would be unable to keep their health insurance plan under the Affordable Care Act.

Thiessen told Kelly he believes the Obama administration intended for people to lose their current health insurance, despite Obama’s repeated claims that “if you like your plan, you can keep it.”

“The smoking gun is there in your hand," he said, referring to Kelly’s copy of the IRS form. "Look, they knew."

He claimed the administration needs these Americans to move into the ObamaCare exchanges to subsidize the law for those who cannot afford health insurance.

However, Thiessen said the White House did not prepare for the issues with the law’s website, which are creating a situation where not only will Americans get dumped from their health insurance plan, they will be unable to buy a new one.

“What the unanticipated consequence of this they’re pushing all these millions of people out of the health care that they liked into ObamaCare, except the people can’t get into ObamaCare,” he said.

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Obama Admin. Knew Millions Could Not Keep Their Health Insurance

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President Obama repeatedly assured Americans that after the Affordable Care Act became law, people who liked their health insurance would be able to keep it. But millions of Americans are getting or are about to get cancellation letters for their health insurance under Obamacare, say experts, and the Obama administration has known that for at least three years.

Four sources deeply involved in the Affordable Care Act tell NBC NEWS that 50 to 75 percent of the 14 million consumers who buy their insurance individually can expect to receive a “cancellation” letter or the equivalent over the next year because their existing policies don’t meet the standards mandated by the new health care law. One expert predicts that number could reach as high as 80 percent. And all say that many of those forced to buy pricier new policies will experience “sticker shock.”

None of this should come as a shock to the Obama administration. The law states that policies in effect as of March 23, 2010 will be “grandfathered,” meaning consumers can keep those policies even though they don’t meet requirements of the new health care law. But the Department of Health and Human Services then wrote regulations that narrowed that provision, by saying that if any part of a policy was significantly changed since that date -- the deductible, co-pay, or benefits, for example -- the policy would not be grandfathered.

Buried in Obamacare regulations from July 2010 is an estimate that because of normal turnover in the individual insurance market, “40 to 67 percent” of customers will not be able to keep their policy. And because many policies will have been changed since the key date, “the percentage of individual market policies losing grandfather status in a given year exceeds the 40 to 67 percent range.”

That means the administration knew that more than 40 to 67 percent of those in the individual market would not be able to keep their plans, even if they liked them.


Yet President Obama, who had promised in 2009, “if you like your health plan, you will be able to keep your health plan,” was still saying in 2012, “If [you] already have health insurance, you will keep your health insurance.”

“This says that when they made the promise, they knew half the people in this market outright couldn’t keep what they had and then they wrote the rules so that others couldn’t make it either,” said Robert Laszewski, of Health Policy and Strategy Associates, a consultant who works for health industry firms. Laszewski estimates that 80 percent of those in the individual market will not be able to keep their current policies and will have to buy insurance that meets requirements of the new law, which generally requires a richer package of benefits than most policies today.


The White House does not dispute that many in the individual market will lose their current coverage, but argues they will be offered better coverage in its place, and that many will get tax subsidies that would offset any increased costs. “One of the main goals of the law is to ensure that people have insurance they can rely on – that doesn’t discriminate or charge more based on pre-existing conditions. The consumers who are getting notices are in plans that do not provide all these protections – but in the vast majority of cases, those same insurers will automatically shift their enrollees to a plan that provides new consumer protections and, for nearly half of individual market enrollees, discounts through premium tax credits,” said White House spokesperson Jessica Santillo.
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and the crap keeps rolling downhill onto the people.

The Worst President Ever keeps getting even worse.
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I think karma might be finally catching up with this President.
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It's all starting to fall apart for the President:

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-meet-ins...0--sector.html

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House passes Republican health bill with 39 Democratic votes

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In the most significant legislative rebuke to President Barack Obama's healthcare overhaul, 39 members of his Democratic Party voted for a Republican bill in the House of Representatives on Friday aimed at undermining his signature domestic policy.
If anyone wants to sign a petition to delay the individual mandate, then click this link:
http://aclj.org/obamacare/delay-mandate-face-litigation
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