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Old 07-03-2013, 10:12 PM
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Default Egypts Arab Spring has ended...in Military Rule

Cast your minds back to Hosni Mubarack, President of Egypt, Pro-Western Dictator, Peaceful boarder with Jewish Israel, and Pretender in terms of Islamic States.

But the People did not want him. The clustered in the Square and demanded his head on a platter, promised reforms were simply not enough. The Western Super-Powers abandoned him, Barack Obama, Fourty Fourth President of the Federal Republic of The United States of America, rattled on about Democrasy and Liberation Whilst British Conservatism reminded the world that, Pro-West though Mubarack had been, he was also a dictator, boo, hiss.

Then the People spoke, and they ellected with one voice, The Muslim Brotherhood. Israels Skin crawled as for the first time a Hardened Islamic Egypt put her in her place. Barack Obama, appologised profusely to the Palestinians, and David Cameron barked on about some two state peace process which didnt involve Benyamin Netanyahu building on the west bank...and just to prove the point Palestine was recognised as its own Soverignty by the United Nations.

...and then disastor....The people suddenly realized they didnt like an Islamic State after all, far too many rules, much to much oppression.

There was much Knashing of teeth...and more crying in the national square...and hey-ho a military juncta takes control.

ooops...soo much for freedom, the democratic vote and...YES, The United State and The United Kingdom just lost a friend, and ended up with a country going throw writhing turmoil, only to rise as another dictatorship.

Jolly good show. Shame its a true story.
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Old 07-04-2013, 12:13 AM
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I just saw this on tv when I got home! Yesterday, Morsi was saying, "I'm not going anywhere!"

Today: Hey, Morsi, what was that?...your Muslim Brotherhood *** being overthrown that's what!

Did you see the crowds in the street, Dave...incredible! But why didn't they take to the streets like this immediately after his election, what took them so long?! The way I understood it, Morsi was voted in by those for/in the Muslim Brotherhood not those that were in the streets during the "Arab Spring" calling for democracy and Mubarak's ousting.

Did you hear about Obama sending tear gas to Egypt?:

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http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/tyranny-teargas/

Obama Sends 140,000 Cans of Teargas to Muslim Brotherhood

At this point, essentially nothing the federal government does is surprising. It’s currently in the business of stealing from Americans to prop up dictators with $250,000,000 in essentially cash, US-made F-16 fighter jets and tanks, and even corrupt military deals with the government of Russia. It’s part of how DC works.

The latest is that the US just sent 140,000 canisters of teargas to Egypt, which is ruled by a dictatorial Muslim Brotherhood. The Egyptians have been groaning under the tyrannical regime. The teargas is specifically to quell any uprisings or riots against radical Islam. In other words, the US government is essentially in a war against the people of Egypt — taking sides with the Muslim Brotherhood.

If you want an example of why people hate us, there are many reasons. This is one of them. If we continue to prop up the tyrants with taxpayer money, we achieve absolutely nothing other than suffering for some of the most vulnerable people in the world. This is as evil as it gets.

How The US Supplied the Teargas

The UPI reports that the US shipment is only for use by the tyrannical Egyptian government:

"The Egyptian Interior Ministry in February agreed to pay $2.4 million for tear gas from the United States. The Egyptian Independent news agency reports that documents its reviewed indicate the shipment arrived Sunday and state that tear gas is for exclusive use by the Egyptian government.”

In other words, we are now making sure that the people of Egypt must suffer rather than overthrow a dictator who is part of the Muslim Brotherhood. To say this is “evil” is an understatement. The only political benefit to this is apparently just keeping tyrants in power.

The US government is admitting that they’ve facilitated the use. Read the State Department’s official statement:

"[W]e have approved an export license for the shipment of U.S.-manufactured nonlethal riot control agents to the Egyptian Government… we condemn any misuse of these products, of teargas that can result in injury or unlawful death, and any such misuse would jeopardize future exports.”

A shocked reporter asked the State Department official, “But has there not been misuse in Egypt over the last two to three years?”

I think we know the answer. The answer is “yes”, and the Obama administration knows this. And they don’t care. If anything, the misuse is the point. Sickening. Claims that they don’t support the “misuse” is simply them flaunting that they’re doing exactly that.

Obama is now having his administration directly facilitate the attacks on peaceful protesters in a country ruled by the Muslim Brotherhood. Remember, Osama bin Laden was essentially an offshoot of this radical group, and has the same theology — just different political tactics.

We’ve written about how evil this movement is in the past. Apparently, the US government is making a stand… only to defend them.

The media has been almost completely silent about this. Please share this on Facebook and Twitter. In the past, activism has gotten the media to talk about topics they were ignoring. Let’s do it again. Let’s make this go viral.Why This Matters
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No...as I understand it, these were free and fair ellections.

Those people DID vote the Muslim Brotherhood to power...The problem they had was, once the Muslim Brotherhood was in power, they wanted to change Egypt from being a Country with Islam as its main religion...to an Islamic State...now an Islamic State is something alltogether different...because in an Islamic State the Religious Officials are ABOVE the Political Officials, AND ABOVE the Armed Forces...and they enforce full Sharia Law...which is also extended to Tourists...which of course is vital for Egypt.

Morsi was in the process of trying to push through an Egyptian Constituion which would make the above all happen...when the people who Ellected him changed their minds.

Well...Technically speaking, The Muslim Brotherhood are the Legitamate Authority on a democratic basis...you dont overthrow a Government...you have to vote them out of power...or else it is technically speaking an UNAUTHOURISED and NON DEMOCRATIC measure...often known as Rebellion.

The truth is very simple...it doesnt matter who gets democratically voted...because the TRUE power is with the Military....where the comanding officers are NOT ellected.

"The People" did NOT remove Morsi...that was done by a renegade armed force.

The truth of the matter, as I said all along...was that the West made a grave mistake in abandoning Hosni Mubarack...who had the power to keep control, was moderate but not fanatical, and was pro-west.
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No...as I understand it, these were free and fair ellections.

Those people DID vote the Muslim Brotherhood to power...The problem they had was, once the Muslim Brotherhood was in power, they wanted to change Egypt from being a Country with Islam as its main religion...to an Islamic State...now an Islamic State is something alltogether different...because in an Islamic State the Religious Officials are ABOVE the Political Officials, AND ABOVE the Armed Forces...and they enforce full Sharia Law...which is also extended to Tourists...which of course is vital for Egypt.

Morsi was in the process of trying to push through an Egyptian Constituion which would make the above all happen...when the people who Ellected him changed their minds.

Well...Technically speaking, The Muslim Brotherhood are the Legitamate Authority on a democratic basis...you dont overthrow a Government...you have to vote them out of power...or else it is technically speaking an UNAUTHOURISED and NON DEMOCRATIC measure...often known as Rebellion.

The truth is very simple...it doesnt matter who gets democratically voted...because the TRUE power is with the Military....where the comanding officers are NOT ellected.

"The People" did NOT remove Morsi...that was done by a renegade armed force.

The truth of the matter, as I said all along...was that the West made a grave mistake in abandoning Hosni Mubarack...who had the power to keep control, was moderate but not fanatical, and was pro-west.
Yes, not "the people" but the military. It's not like Mubarak and Gaddafi were the kind of leaders we would want to be in bed with, but a lot of times it's the case where, "Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't."
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Yes, not "the people" but the military. It's not like Mubarak and Gaddafi were the kind of leaders we would want to be in bed with, but a lot of times it's the case where, "Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't."
Indeed...Of course, they believe the Military was behind Mubarack also...wasnt he brought to power by a Military Coup also...I hadnt realized he was Ex-Force turned Politician.

It just shows how blind the people are...I mean...if they've had a long and troubled past...how does that change with an ellected leader...if the ellected leader must still owe alligience to the Military

Thats what I dont like! I'd rather have a Monarchy, at least they have legitamate right through birth...rather then an unacountable, secretive and corrupt bunch of senior officers....We speak from expierience of having lived through a similar thing in our own land.

The English Civil War, was designed as a sort of Early Democratic Government mandate...They removed the Monarchy and set up the Government...but it was corrupt and unaccountable and ended up being a Military Jaunta..."The Council of Officers" rulled under Oliver Cromwell

The best part of a decades worth of history was ruined in this experiment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXOrkTrKzjc You can see what happened when Cromwell turned on the Government and sent them the same way as the King...this is his speech to The Rump when he dissolved them. Listen...this is almost exactly the same as Egypt...First the Ligitamate ruller is removed on the grounds of being tyranical, and then a democratic Government installed...and that fails within the first year, and the Military take over. Just as the Egyptian Army claim the people called on them to perform the coup...so Cromwell claims the people have called upon him to clense the nation a second time politically.
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