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Old 06-26-2013, 05:09 PM
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who knows what they are doing over in france .. but at least in the US, they have gotten it right for now!

http://us.cnn.com/2013/06/26/politic...html?hpt=hp_t1

Supreme Court rulings on same-sex marriage hailed as historic victory
(CNN) -- Gays and lesbians celebrated historic gains Wednesday in their fight against laws limiting same-sex marriages, saying Supreme Court rulings overturning the federal Defense of Marriage Act and rejecting the appeal of a California marriage ban represent a "joyous milestone."

But they acknowledged much work remains after the Supreme Court declined to make a sweeping statement on same-sex marriage rights by not ruling on the issues in California's Proposition 8 ban on same-sex marriages.

"Today's historic decisions put two giant cracks in the dark wall of discrimination that separates committed gay and lesbian couples from full equality," said Chad Griffin, president of the Human Rights Commission. He called the rulings "a joyous milestone."
"While we celebrate the victory for Californians today, tomorrow we turn our attention to the millions of LGBT people who don't feel the reach of these decisions," he said.

The court rulings, delivered in separate cases, mean that same-sex couples who marry in states where it's legal for them to do so will be treated the same as heterosexual married couples by the federal government when it comes to things like retirement benefits and taxes.

And while the ruling clears the way for same-sex marriages to resume in California, it will have no impact on bans in 35 other states where such marriages are illegal.

The mixed feelings about Wednesday's rulings extended to critics of efforts to extend marriage rights to gays and lesbians.

"We're disappointed in the short-term results and the short-term questions that remain unsettled, but the public conversation continues and that's a good thing," said the Rev. Rob Schenck, president of the Evangelical Church Alliance, which opposes same-sex marriage.
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Old 06-26-2013, 08:05 PM
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who knows what they are doing over in france ..
Not even the French know
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I think gay marriage is the least of our worries right now.
Actually, this is going to be a gigantic blow against religious liberty in this country and freedom of religion is the cornerstone of EVERY other freedom. So once our freedom to publicly practice our religion and our freedom to follow our own conscience goes away, then all other freedoms will soon follow.

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who knows what they are doing over in france .. but at least in the US, they have gotten it right for now!
We have absolutely NOT gotten it right.

GOD designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. So, it is not within the authority of any governing body or person to change that definition in any way. So gay marriage cannot possibly be right. End of story.

It's just one more step away from GOD and takes our nation closer to judgement and destruction. So how can you possibly claim to be a Christian but be ignorant enough to believe that this is the right direction for our country to be heading?
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Actually, this is going to be a gigantic blow against religious liberty in this country and freedom of religion is the cornerstone of EVERY other freedom. So once our freedom to publicly practice our religion and our freedom to follow our own conscience goes away, then all other freedoms will soon follow.



We have absolutely NOT gotten it right.

GOD designed marriage to be between a man and a woman. So, it is not within the authority of any governing body or person to change that definition in any way. So gay marriage cannot possibly be right. End of story.

It's just one more step away from GOD and takes our nation closer to judgement and destruction. So how can you possibly claim to be a Christian but be ignorant enough to believe that this is the right direction for our country to be heading?
like i said ... marriage in a church may be a religious activity, but marriage in general is not .. do you think a marriage performed in a mosque is a marriage recognized by God??? or in the court, or in the drive thru at vegas by an elvis impersonator??

teh gays are fighting for their right to have their unions recognized by the US govt, not God (i am sure that time will come, and it will be up to the churches to fight that battle) once it is recognized by the govt, they are free to fight for marriage nenefits, adoption rights etc ... i say this was a great day for their rights to be recognized by their govt!
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Old 06-27-2013, 10:02 PM
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like i said ... marriage in a church may be a religious activity, but marriage in general is not .. do you think a marriage performed in a mosque is a marriage recognized by God??? or in the court, or in the drive thru at vegas by an elvis impersonator??

teh gays are fighting for their right to have their unions recognized by the US govt, not God (i am sure that time will come, and it will be up to the churches to fight that battle) once it is recognized by the govt, they are free to fight for marriage nenefits, adoption rights etc ... i say this was a great day for their rights to be recognized by their govt!
I'm amazed at how little you know about this. GOD created marriage long before GOD created the Church and He never created "religion." That is a human construct. So there is no such thing as a marriage that GOD doesn't take a personal interest in. Even if the husband and wife are unbelievers, they are still entering a life-long pact with GOD that can NEVER be dissolved in the eyes of GOD. So, married Atheists, Agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, etc. will all stand before GOD one day and answer for their marriage and how they treated their spouse. This is why every known culture on the planet has a form of marriage, no matter what their religious beliefs.

GOD doesn't separate marriages into two categories, secular and religious, there is just marriage. A union that He created and blessed above all other earthly human relationships.

Also, this will most definitely turn into an attack on the Church in America, since the government will try to force the acceptance of gay marriages onto churches and the IRS will be there to punish churches who speak out against it with Gestapo-like efficiency. The forced acceptance of gay marriage will lead to the destruction of thousands of churches across our country as they find their tax-exempt statuses revoked and their leaders arrested for preaching the Biblical truth about homosexuality.

Defending the true-definition of marriage as GOD intended it, has nothing to do with secular vs. religious culture. If we want to maintain our freedom of religion, then we need to fight against gay marriage at every turn.

Of course, it's going to happen, because Satan is relentless and the gay marriage debate is just the latest in a long series of Satanic attacks on the true followers of GOD. So, churches will be punished for not complying and pastors, deacons, church members, etc. will be jailed for speaking out against the sin of homosexuality and it will be the beginning of the end of America as a free nation.
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I'm amazed at how little you know about this. GOD created marriage long before GOD created the Church and He never created "religion." That is a human construct. So there is no such thing as a marriage that GOD doesn't take a personal interest in. Even if the husband and wife are unbelievers, they are still entering a life-long pact with GOD that can NEVER be dissolved in the eyes of GOD. So, married Atheists, Agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, etc. will all stand before GOD one day and answer for their marriage and how they treated their spouse. This is why every known culture on the planet has a form of marriage, no matter what their religious beliefs.

GOD doesn't separate marriages into two categories, secular and religious, there is just marriage. A union that He created and blessed above all other earthly human relationships.

Also, this will most definitely turn into an attack on the Church in America, since the government will try to force the acceptance of gay marriages onto churches and the IRS will be there to punish churches who speak out against it with Gestapo-like efficiency. The forced acceptance of gay marriage will lead to the destruction of thousands of churches across our country as they find their tax-exempt statuses revoked and their leaders arrested for preaching the Biblical truth about homosexuality.

Defending the true-definition of marriage as GOD intended it, has nothing to do with secular vs. religious culture. If we want to maintain our freedom of religion, then we need to fight against gay marriage at every turn.

Of course, it's going to happen, because Satan is relentless and the gay marriage debate is just the latest in a long series of Satanic attacks on the true followers of GOD. So, churches will be punished for not complying and pastors, deacons, church members, etc. will be jailed for speaking out against the sin of homosexuality and it will be the beginning of the end of America as a free nation.
I think you are right, Nathan. Satan is having a grand time...we make it so easy for him.
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I'm amazed at how little you know about this. GOD created marriage long before GOD created the Church and He never created "religion." That is a human construct. So there is no such thing as a marriage that GOD doesn't take a personal interest in. Even if the husband and wife are unbelievers, they are still entering a life-long pact with GOD that can NEVER be dissolved in the eyes of GOD. So, married Atheists, Agnostics, Muslims, Buddhists, Jews, Christians, etc. will all stand before GOD one day and answer for their marriage and how they treated their spouse. This is why every known culture on the planet has a form of marriage, no matter what their religious beliefs.

GOD doesn't separate marriages into two categories, secular and religious, there is just marriage. A union that He created and blessed above all other earthly human relationships.

Also, this will most definitely turn into an attack on the Church in America, since the government will try to force the acceptance of gay marriages onto churches and the IRS will be there to punish churches who speak out against it with Gestapo-like efficiency. The forced acceptance of gay marriage will lead to the destruction of thousands of churches across our country as they find their tax-exempt statuses revoked and their leaders arrested for preaching the Biblical truth about homosexuality.

Defending the true-definition of marriage as GOD intended it, has nothing to do with secular vs. religious culture. If we want to maintain our freedom of religion, then we need to fight against gay marriage at every turn.

Of course, it's going to happen, because Satan is relentless and the gay marriage debate is just the latest in a long series of Satanic attacks on the true followers of GOD. So, churches will be punished for not complying and pastors, deacons, church members, etc. will be jailed for speaking out against the sin of homosexuality and it will be the beginning of the end of America as a free nation.
Excellent post, very well said, Nate. Thank you.
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1) Even if the husband and wife are unbelievers, they are still entering a life-long pact with GOD that can NEVER be dissolved in the eyes of GOD.

2) This is why every known culture on the planet has a form of marriage, no matter what their religious beliefs.

3) GOD doesn't separate marriages into two categories, secular and religious, there is just marriage. A union that He created and blessed above all other earthly human relationships.
1) That is not correct. GOD wont blindly attach his name to things that he doesnt want to be connected to. They may enter a life long pact with each other...but GOD is extremely choosey in who he attaches his Name to Nathan, and I dont think he would sanctify a Marriage that was not done before him, automatically, just because they are male and female.

The reason for this is because the concept of marriage is supposed to mirror the concept of the Church as Bride of Christ...AND of the relationships BETWEEN members of the Trinity. Mariage IS NOT a pact to spend ones life together Semper Fidelis, it is FAR more then that. The man and woman are joined, spiritually, as the Man was first bonded with his Mother as a Child.

Its about becoming two sides of the same person, and the same spirit, just as The GODhead is.

That is NOT something that can be possible in a secular or heathen marriage.

2) No, the reason every culture has the concept of marriage is due to Reproduction and continuation of their culture. It has nothing to do with being judged by any diety whatsoever. The best and most prolific way of reproduction, is a committed family of a man and a woman, who can then generate offspring, and nurture them.

Sorry, but even very basic animals have the concept of pairing off, creating their own home, mating, producing babies, and then rearing...I saw for the first time this afternoon, a Father Finch TEACH his Daughter to feed for herself, when she begged for food and her Mother wouldnt feed her. He picked a big bit of oat off the flight floor in his beak...took it up to the sill where she was perched and put it down infront of her...he then consumed half the oat and urged her to do the same...once she realized she could use her beak to peck and chop and carry...well...she was pecking EVERYTHING

3) Absolutely, which is why you can not assume that GOD will sanctify ANY union except those of believers. Whilst I reckon that he does sanctify some other Unions...I wouldnt dare claim it as factual...that would be like claiming that non Christians get to heaven. Its not good enough to be a human being who is judged on his life, any more then its good enough to be an athiest male and female being judged on their union. Belief in Christ, and ONLY that Saves, and ONLY GOD can Sanctify something permantly without a complex ritual that must be repeated gazillion times at a constant rate of perfection.

As the Jews tried that and failed (ergo the rituals of the Temple) I think you find that all Unions without GOD are simply a human promise, one to another. A marriage is way beyond that.
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1) That is not correct. GOD wont blindly attach his name to things that he doesnt want to be connected to. They may enter a life long pact with each other...but GOD is extremely choosey in who he attaches his Name to Nathan, and I dont think he would sanctify a Marriage that was not done before him, automatically, just because they are male and female.

The reason for this is because the concept of marriage is supposed to mirror the concept of the Church as Bride of Christ...AND of the relationships BETWEEN members of the Trinity. Mariage IS NOT a pact to spend ones life together Semper Fidelis, it is FAR more then that. The man and woman are joined, spiritually, as the Man was first bonded with his Mother as a Child.

Its about becoming two sides of the same person, and the same spirit, just as The GODhead is.

That is NOT something that can be possible in a secular or heathen marriage.

2) No, the reason every culture has the concept of marriage is due to Reproduction and continuation of their culture. It has nothing to do with being judged by any diety whatsoever. The best and most prolific way of reproduction, is a committed family of a man and a woman, who can then generate offspring, and nurture them.

Sorry, but even very basic animals have the concept of pairing off, creating their own home, mating, producing babies, and then rearing...I saw for the first time this afternoon, a Father Finch TEACH his Daughter to feed for herself, when she begged for food and her Mother wouldnt feed her. He picked a big bit of oat off the flight floor in his beak...took it up to the sill where she was perched and put it down infront of her...he then consumed half the oat and urged her to do the same...once she realized she could use her beak to peck and chop and carry...well...she was pecking EVERYTHING

3) Absolutely, which is why you can not assume that GOD will sanctify ANY union except those of believers. Whilst I reckon that he does sanctify some other Unions...I wouldnt dare claim it as factual...that would be like claiming that non Christians get to heaven. Its not good enough to be a human being who is judged on his life, any more then its good enough to be an athiest male and female being judged on their union. Belief in Christ, and ONLY that Saves, and ONLY GOD can Sanctify something permantly without a complex ritual that must be repeated gazillion times at a constant rate of perfection.

As the Jews tried that and failed (ergo the rituals of the Temple) I think you find that all Unions without GOD are simply a human promise, one to another. A marriage is way beyond that.
GOD created all the animals on Earth, then GOD created Adam and Eve who every human on Earth is descended from. Immediately after creating Eve, GOD created marriage. This is why marriage exists throughout all of GOD's creation regardless of religion or culture.

Sure, there are animals that mate for life, but I wouldn't necessarily consider those to be marriages.
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