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Old 04-09-2013, 06:28 PM
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Since when has the UFC been pro LGBT?????

Since when has the UFC ever forced this code of conduct onto other members of its staff and fighters it contracts in regards to LGBT????

Do they even have any Lesbians or Gays on their roster????


The issue, for me, is not about her sexuality...its about the fact that her position may give her a biological advantage above her opponent. I refuse to support women in MMA, but if its possible to support anything less then women/women, its women/men...mixed Fighting is wrong even in sport, because its biologically unfair.

Having said that...I dont believe its ever right to be deliberately rude and insulting like Mitrione was. He didnt just say he dissagreed with her fighting women, he resorted to name calling and degregation...and that says more about him then it does about her.

As with all things UFC...they need to apply these laws universally if they want to have the support of the mob.
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:30 PM
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The "incident is being investigated"? Last time I looked, we still had freedom of speech although I realize that it only goes one way with the left. They won't be happy until they have a Department of Approved Speech.

I totally disagree with this decision. Have him take sensitivity training or whatever else but give me a break. He wasn't in a UFC setting when he made those remarks. I'm sure he has certain clauses in his contract but I believe he should be punished - NOT released. Big mistake, IMO.

I guess it's ok to joke about rape, etc., but not disparage a member of GLTB. I mean...seeing as Forest, Miguel and Rashad weren't fired.
i thought freedom of speech was the gov't can't infringe on your freedom of speech ... the ufc has a contract with mitrione and he should have to comply with the contract or not sign it ... and it was an interview for an mma show, so he is still representing his employer ... like i said earlier, agree with him or not, he should have been smarter with his delivery and choice of words ... the ufc will investigate and if they find out he is in breach of his contract, he may get released .. can't feel bad for him ...
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Old 04-09-2013, 06:32 PM
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Since when has the UFC been pro LGBT?????

Since when has the UFC ever forced this code of conduct onto other members of its staff and fighters it contracts in regards to LGBT????

Do they even have any Lesbians or Gays on their roster????


The issue, for me, is not about her sexuality...its about the fact that her position may give her a biological advantage above her opponent. I refuse to support women in MMA, but if its possible to support anything less then women/women, its women/men...mixed Fighting is wrong even in sport, because its biologically unfair.

Having said that...I dont believe its ever right to be deliberately rude and insulting like Mitrione was. He didnt just say he dissagreed with her fighting women, he resorted to name calling and degregation...and that says more about him then it does about her.

As with all things UFC...they need to apply these laws universally if they want to have the support of the mob.
since when have they not been pro gay ... they had a gay guy on tuf ..
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:00 PM
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i thought freedom of speech was the gov't can't infringe on your freedom of speech ... the ufc has a contract with mitrione and he should have to comply with the contract or not sign it ... and it was an interview for an mma show, so he is still representing his employer ... like i said earlier, agree with him or not, he should have been smarter with his delivery and choice of words ... the ufc will investigate and if they find out he is in breach of his contract, he may get released .. can't feel bad for him ...
Not just the government, no one can interfere with our freedom of speech, unlike Canada:

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Last month, the Canadian supreme court, at a stroke, undid all the good work of the last five years, reaffirmed the state's role in the thought-crime business, rejected truth as a defense, and took a narrow, generation-old ruling on "hate speech" and carelessly broadened it. And they did it unanimously. Nearly four centuries after John Milton declared, "Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties," on the highest court in one of the oldest democratic jurisdictions on earth there is not a single vote for the rough-and-tumble of unfettered speech necessary to any free society.
Link to my Steyn quote here. (yes, that was a gift for you specifically, RNC ;-)

He has a right to say it. The UFC has a right to handle it as they want but if they did fire him, he should hire a lawyer to sue them for infringing on his freedom of speech. That was the point I was trying to make.

The "social justice" lefties want to shut down any conversation in which one disagrees with their agenda. They label their causes very carefully (i.e. "pro-choice" instead of "pro abortion"). They will shout down and stifle any disagreement. I believe in traditional marriage. It is my right to say and believe that. Yet I will be attacked in vicious ways online for simply stating that fact, even though I don't attack them for their views with which I disagree. This is how they operate - intimidation and stifling debate. Just take a look at what is happening at George Washington University, where 2 gay students are trying to get rid of the Catholic chaplain there for having the GALL to believe in his church's stance on homosexuality.

Mittrione used ugly language. He wasn't in a UFC setting (if it was an interview with Ariel, I'm guessing it was video?). UFC can deal with it's employees however harshly they want. I'd love to be inside Dana's head and know what he's reallly thinking. I personally have compassion for people who have serious gender-identity issues. That said, to me Fox is a guy and he shouldn't be fighting a woman no matter what he has had surgically removed or whatever hormones he's taking. Men and women are different as Tyburn pointed out and should not be competing professionally, IMO.

Matt M. should be disciplined and have it explained that when he makes public comments, they can very well come back to injure the UFC. I'm sure he "gets that" now.
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Old 04-09-2013, 09:19 PM
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since when have they not been pro gay ... they had a gay guy on tuf ..
Technically speaking, he says he was a straight guy who just happened to do gay porn for the money.
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Technically speaking, he says he was a straight guy who just happened to do gay porn for the money.
They also have Liz Carmouche.

As for the freedom of speech, I think it is still more the code of conduct. I worked for a company that expected us to represent the company in a positive way at all times. If I did not do this I could be fired. To me, this situation with Mitrione is no different.
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Here was Dana's response:

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/4/9/...-us-a-bunch-of

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Matt Mitrione's vitriolic verbal attack on transgender fighter Fallon Fox and the UFC's swift suspension of the fighter dominated the news headlines on Monday.

Tuesday, it was UFC president Dana White's turn to weigh in on the controversy. White was asked for a comment during a media teleconference promoting UFC on Fox 7.

The UFC's head honcho never mentioned Fox by name during his response, and instead wondered aloud why Mitrione was appearing on "The MMA Hour" to begin with.

"It's one of those things, it's just a pain in the ass, you know what I mean?" White said. "First of all, he didn't even need to be doing an interview. And I'm going to talk to these guys. I'm going to talk to these guys. The only time these guys really need to be doing interviews is leading up to fights. You know? It ended up being a nightmare for him."

That's open to debate, since, after all, scores of fighters have done interviews after their fights over the years without causing themselves or their company any problems. But White does recognize that Mitrione's damage was self-inflicted.

"What was the point of that interview?" White continued. "There was no point in it. Now it's caused him a bunch of headaches and problems. It's caused us a bunch of headaches and problems for no reason whatsoever."

"He had just fought. He wouldn't fight again for another few months and he's still over there enjoying himself in Sweden, what was the point in doing that interview? What was the upside in that interview? There was none. No upside."
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As for the freedom of speech, I think it is still more the code of conduct. I worked for a company that expected us to represent the company in a positive way at all times. If I did not do this I could be fired. To me, this situation with Mitrione is no different.
Yes, you're right, Kevin. It's how he was representing the UFC.

As for what Dana said, it's hard to argue with that.
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:58 PM
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Not just the government, no one can interfere with our freedom of speech, unlike Canada:



Link to my Steyn quote here. (yes, that was a gift for you specifically, RNC ;-)

He has a right to say it. The UFC has a right to handle it as they want but if they did fire him, he should hire a lawyer to sue them for infringing on his freedom of speech. That was the point I was trying to make.

The "social justice" lefties want to shut down any conversation in which one disagrees with their agenda. They label their causes very carefully (i.e. "pro-choice" instead of "pro abortion"). They will shout down and stifle any disagreement. I believe in traditional marriage. It is my right to say and believe that. Yet I will be attacked in vicious ways online for simply stating that fact, even though I don't attack them for their views with which I disagree. This is how they operate - intimidation and stifling debate. Just take a look at what is happening at George Washington University, where 2 gay students are trying to get rid of the Catholic chaplain there for having the GALL to believe in his church's stance on homosexuality.

Mittrione used ugly language. He wasn't in a UFC setting (if it was an interview with Ariel, I'm guessing it was video?). UFC can deal with it's employees however harshly they want. I'd love to be inside Dana's head and know what he's reallly thinking. I personally have compassion for people who have serious gender-identity issues. That said, to me Fox is a guy and he shouldn't be fighting a woman no matter what he has had surgically removed or whatever hormones he's taking. Men and women are different as Tyburn pointed out and should not be competing professionally, IMO.

Matt M. should be disciplined and have it explained that when he makes public comments, they can very well come back to injure the UFC. I'm sure he "gets that" now.
so you mean when Nate deletes my posts he is infringing on my freedom of speech??? lol .. i didn't think so ..

i guess anyone has the right to freedom of speech then, but if people don't like it, you can still get in trouble for it ... LOL ... you can say whatever you want, if you are willing to pay the consequences .. i am fine with that ... people throw out the term freedom of speech like its an absolute freedom .. i know people on here are smart enough to know that isn't the case .. (go talk about explosives in a line up at an airport and see where freedom of speech gets you)

in the end, i am sure the ufc will do what makes sense for them with this .. do i think mitrione is a bad guy .. .nope, he just didn't think before he spoke ..
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Technically speaking, he says he was a straight guy who just happened to do gay porn for the money.
yeah .. its called gay .. LOL
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