Habemus Papem! Francis I

[NateR]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

You can change your mind all you like Nathan...but you have told Roman Catholics they are not Christian on this forum before...and the use of the term "Cult" which you did use in this thread, is NOT synonomous with Denomination

So, my beliefs are never allowed to grow or mature over time? You keep holding me to things I might have said 5-6 years ago; but if our faith isn't in a constant state of growth, then there is a problem. So, while it seems like I contradicted something I might have said 6 years ago, that's just the way it is. We don't start out life as fully grown adults and we don't start out our Christian walk as fully matured believers. Back in 2002, I would have classified Presbyterians in the non-Christian category, but I currently am a member of a Presbyterian Church. I was simply wrong back then in passing judgement on a denomination that I knew nothing about.

My dad was born and raised Catholic and he broke from the Catholic Church and became a Baptist after he got saved in his teen years. It was the same with his mom, she was excommunicated from the Catholic Church after getting born-again. As a result, most of my knowledge of Catholic beliefs come from my father. However, it's possible that there are many differences in Hispanic Catholicism compared to European Catholicism or American Catholicism. So, I try not to get dogmatic about the whole denomination thing anymore.

I also never said that all Roman Catholics were a cult, I meant to imply that the group of Roman Catholics who worship the Pope like he's a god are a cult. Just like the little cult that seems to be rising up around the 1611 King James translation of the Bible in the Protestant and Baptist denominations. It's an aberrant belief that doesn't represent the beliefs of the entire denomination. Obviously my wording for the Pope comment was poor and certain people took offense to that and I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Finally, I don't consider all Roman Catholics to be non-Christians. I might have in the past, but I would have been wrong. I'm sure most of them aren't true Christians, but that could be said of just about any denomination. I've heard that as many as 80% of all professing Christians in the world are actually false believers. I personally wouldn't be surprised if that number wasn't much higher (more like 90-95%).

[NateR]

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

Anyone else do a double take when they read this sentence?

I did, and there are so many possible jokes there, but I think I will refrain from posting them.

[Neezar]

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

Anyone else do a double take when they read this sentence?

Yes.

[Neezar]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

, and half bolshed up by the computer screen....because IN PERSON he is unrecogniable to the persona he posts under, he is tollerant and gentle and listens...on this forum he does the very reverse...its either psychological, or its deliberate...if its deliberate then he is the one who should consider his salvation before all others.

I may sometimes be harsh...but I have the courage to say what I believe to people in the flesh and to their face...There isnt much of a persona of me on here...this, pretty much IS me.

Same with me. I am nothing like Neezar.. I'm not even sure that I like her!

[Neezar]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

, and half bolshed up by the computer screen....because IN PERSON he is unrecogniable to the persona he posts under, he is tollerant and gentle and listens...on this forum he does the very reverse...its either psychological, or its deliberate...if its deliberate then he is the one who should consider his salvation before all others.

I may sometimes be harsh...but I have the courage to say what I believe to people in the flesh and to their face...There isnt much of a persona of me on here...this, pretty much IS me.

Same with me. I am nothing like Neezar.

[County Mike]

CountyMike is just my online character.

He is an awful lot like Mike Everland though.

[rearnakedchoke]

Originally Posted by Neezar

Same with me. I am nothing like Neezar.

+1 ... i am nothing like Neezar either .. but i am working as hard as i can toward it!

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by NateR

So, my beliefs are never allowed to grow or mature over time? You keep holding me to things I might have said 5-6 years ago; but if our faith isn't in a constant state of growth, then there is a problem. So, while it seems like I contradicted something I might have said 6 years ago, that's just the way it is. We don't start out life as fully grown adults and we don't start out our Christian walk as fully matured believers. Back in 2002, I would have classified Presbyterians in the non-Christian category, but I currently am a member of a Presbyterian Church. I was simply wrong back then in passing judgement on a denomination that I knew nothing about.

My dad was born and raised Catholic and he broke from the Catholic Church and became a Baptist after he got saved in his teen years. It was the same with his mom, she was excommunicated from the Catholic Church after getting born-again. As a result, most of my knowledge of Catholic beliefs come from my father. However, it's possible that there are many differences in Hispanic Catholicism compared to European Catholicism or American Catholicism. So, I try not to get dogmatic about the whole denomination thing anymore.

I also never said that all Roman Catholics were a cult, I meant to imply that the group of Roman Catholics who worship the Pope like he's a god are a cult. Just like the little cult that seems to be rising up around the 1611 King James translation of the Bible in the Protestant and Baptist denominations. It's an aberrant belief that doesn't represent the beliefs of the entire denomination. Obviously my wording for the Pope comment was poor and certain people took offense to that and I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Finally, I don't consider all Roman Catholics to be non-Christians. I might have in the past, but I would have been wrong. I'm sure most of them aren't true Christians, but that could be said of just about any denomination. I've heard that as many as 80% of all professing Christians in the world are actually false believers. I personally wouldn't be surprised if that number wasn't much higher (more like 90-95%).

You can change your mind whenever you wish. But dont blame others if your lack of clarity (refering to the Cult comment) isnt crystal clear to others, and dont blame others for going on what you last said...We are not mind readers...if you change your mind...simply say so

[Tyburn]

Francis has made some changes already.

He has decided to go back to using the Pope-Mobile that has an open top. The little cart that takes the Pope through the people gathered in Saint Peters Square, or on tour within crowds, was changed into a bulletproof version after a failed assassination on Pope John-Paul II, it was also used through Benedict XVI Pontificate....It not a matter of security for Francis...its because he likes to stop the cart and get out to personally greet people, and this isnt easy with a bulletproof dome over your head

He has also said that one of the main Passiontide masses, will no longer be held at the Vatican, in Saint Peters Basilica. Francis has decided, instead, that he would like to conduct the mass in a Roman Juvinile Detention Centre

Finally...linking with this thread especially....Francis today had his first Audiences...His FIRST Meeting with anyone after his inaugeration (he met the argentinian head of state between ellection and inaugeration) Was with none other then The Patriarch of Constantinople Constantinople is STILL in Existance he is apparently the Eccumenical Patriarch...so that presumably means he is the only Father claiming to be Patriarch...not suprising, as Constantinople has no significance as a Foundation of the Faith...it wasnt until POST-Constantine that it was set up. So it was a pure invention of modern catholicism.

His Second meeting was with the Patriarch of Moscow...one presumes, that would be a modern day invention of the Russian Orthodox. Interesting that his choices for meeting the first representatives of the Orthodox, are both shallow in history....I dont think he cares much about Church History...or else he would surely have met the Patriarch of Antioch, and the Patriarch of Jerusalem instead

[Tyburn]

To the best of my knowledge, the guys who are walking up from the Vatican Grotto where all the old popes are burried, are the equivilent of other Roman Catholic "popes" of other areas...that is to say, with the exception of the Greek and Roman Orthodox Church...these are the currently ellected Pontifs of original lines dating all the way back to the Apostolic Foundations of some of the Churches in the list I presented earlier in the thread.

I counted Five in the first twenty five seconds based on the Grotto

What may or may not be a further two at 3.02 at the doors of St Peters Basilica

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKOAKwPpGag

The music is nearly...but not quite, as bad as the Litaniae Sanctorum...and amoung the same lines, a large amount of it is dedicated to listing the name of saints...and rather then asking them to pray (in the Litaniae Sanctorum) it asks them to Praise the Reign...presumably of GOD...or maybe, the new Pope...not quite sure, because I dont recognise the Latin phrase

I think...though I could be wrong, its a form of The Imperial Acclimations, Something the Church stole and modified from the Acclimations for Emporars. This was a chant that solidified The Emporar of Rome as Having the Divine Right of Kingship. I dont know who the Pagens would invoke for that, but Post Constentine, the list of names would be the Great Rullers of the time before...like I said, thats a guess...its not a phrase I recognise...but then I didnt recognise the phrases used in the Sacramentum at the start of the Conclave either.

My Latin is limited to Liturgy...I can only make out words in Literny, and have no idea of normal speech or sentances at all...The Exceptions to that are the Litaniae Sanctorum, the Angelus, and The Requiem...I dont even understand or recognise the Regina Coeli

I wanted to learn it...but my School wouldnt teach it