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I personally don't believe it is possible to 'convert' a gay person.
I've converted some lesbians.

Temporarily at least.
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So, this is just one where GOD's hands are tied?
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:29 PM
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i think people are born gay ...
It doesn't matter whether they are born gay or not, it doesn't make the act of homosexuality any less sinful. Sin nature exists in all of us, saying "I was born this way" is not an excuse to sin regardless of whether someone is gay or straight.

What about people who are born schizophrenic? Does that mean that they don't need treatment?

Then there are those who are born with a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism. Since they were "born that way" does that mean that alcoholism is actually a healthy lifestyle for those people?
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Old 10-01-2012, 06:57 PM
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It doesn't matter whether they are born gay or not, it doesn't make the act of homosexuality any less sinful. Sin nature exists in all of us, saying "I was born this way" is not an excuse to sin regardless of whether someone is gay or straight.

What about people who are born schizophrenic? Does that mean that they don't need treatment?

Then there are those who are born with a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism. Since they were "born that way" does that mean that alcoholism is actually a healthy lifestyle for those people?
in your opinion though it is a sin ... i see nothing wrong with men or women carrying on a relationship with the same sex ... if they are in a loving, monogomous relationship, i see nothing wrong with it ... i agree you were taught that it is a sin .. that is fine ... i still don't think a parent should be able to put their kid through "therapy" which involves some would say torture for an "ailment" the teen doesn't feel is detrimental to their well-being ..
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It doesn't matter whether they are born gay or not, it doesn't make the act of homosexuality any less sinful. Sin nature exists in all of us, saying "I was born this way" is not an excuse to sin regardless of whether someone is gay or straight.

What about people who are born schizophrenic? Does that mean that they don't need treatment?

Then there are those who are born with a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism. Since they were "born that way" does that mean that alcoholism is actually a healthy lifestyle for those people?
I agree. When I hear that argument of "being born this way", it is nothing more than a trick we all use when we hold on to a particular sin in our life, we rationalize it away.
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So, this is just one where GOD's hands are tied?
No.

I see you used alcoholism as an example to compare homosexuals to. Well, they say 'once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.' I believe the same is true for homosexuals. Can they control their actions? Of course. But I think the desire will always be there.
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I've converted some lesbians.

Temporarily at least.

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Old 10-01-2012, 08:46 PM
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in your opinion though it is a sin ...
My opinion is irrelevant and so is yours. The only thing that matters is what GOD's Word says.

Do you even know what the Bible says about homosexuality?
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No.

I see you used alcoholism as an example to compare homosexuals to. Well, they say 'once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic.' I believe the same is true for homosexuals. Can they control their actions? Of course. But I think the desire will always be there.
Except there is evidence that people can be cured of homosexuality. Do you really think that GOD can't take away homosexual desires AND the desire to drink alcohol?
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I know next to nothing about this type of therapy although I have heard of it. I have no clue if it works for some or not but in general, I am against the state stepping in to ban a questionable therapy. Sadly, many gay people - teens especially - are depressed about their issues and as a group have a higher suicide rate percentage than the average. So I don't buy that as Brown's reasoning to ban the therapy.

I personally try to accept people for who they are. But if a person wanted to try this therapy, why should it not be available to them?

Just more intrusion of the government into our lives, IMO. But I'm open to be swayed either way.
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