U.S. Embassy Attacks

[Bonnie]

Originally Posted by NateR

Yeah, I don't believe the date of the attacks is a coincidence at all.

It's also despicable to me that the Obama Administration would be verbally attacking an American's free speech rights in order to appease terrorists.

They keep talking about this film, giving it legs, as if this is the reason why all of this is happening. These protestors admitted they haven't even seen the film, they've just been told about it. I can't believe how this is being handled! This is what WH Press Secretary, Jay Carney had to say today:

Carney: Anti-Islam Video Completely to Blame for ‘Unrest’

Alana Goodman | @alanagoodman 09.14.2012 - 2:05 PM

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/20...me-for-unrest/

White House spokesman Jay Carney just held a press briefing that was equal parts absurd and horrifying. Even as American embassies are mobbed by radicals, and our flags are torched and replaced with Islamist banners, Carney continued to repeat — almost as if he were trying to convince himself — that the riots are purely a reaction to a low-budget anti-Islam Youtube film. Nothing to do with the anniversary of the September 11 attacks. Nothing to do with anti-American sentiment. Nothing to do with support for al-Qaeda or Islamic terrorism.

“Let’s be clear: these protests were in reaction to a video that had spread to the region,” said Carney. “We have no information to suggest that it was a preplanned attack.”

“The unrest we’ve seen around the region has been in reaction to a video that many Muslims find offensive,” added Carney. “It is not a response to 9/11.”

And it continued on like that for the rest of the briefing:

“The unrest around the region has been in response to the video.”

“What we have seen is unrest around the region in response to a video that Muslims find offensive.”

“We are working to ensure that our diplomatic personnel and our diplomatic facilities are secure as we deal with the response to this video, which we believe is offensive and disgusting.”

“The cause of the unrest was a video. And that continues today, as you know, as we anticipated. And it may continue for some time.”

“The reason why there’s unrest is because of the film. This is in response to the film… this is not a film that the United States government had anything to do with. We reject its message and its contents we find it both reprehensible.”

“My point was simply that we are responding to and coping with and dealing with…unrest brought about by this offensive video.”

“The unrest we’ve seen is a reaction to a film with which the U.S. government has had no involvement, which we’ve denounced as offensive. As I said yesterday, it can be difficult to see in some countries why the U.S. can’t simply eliminate this expression…but as you know…it’s one of our fundamental principles.”

“We find the video reprehensible and disgusting…This video has nothing to do, has nothing to do with the American government. It has nothing to do with who we are or what we believe.”

Even if the video fueled the protests, how did a low-budget Youtube film that nobody had heard of before last week get dubbed into Arabic and distributed around Muslim countries? The answer is fanatical Islamist leaders who used the film to incite outrage on the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.

And if you believe the video was the sole drive behind the protests, then why were U.S. flags replaced with the flags of al-Qaeda? Why were terrorists groups reportedly involved in organizing the protests weeks in advance — before the film even came to light?

The Obama administration does not want to talk about terrorism, because it wants to pretend it defeated terrorism by killing Osama bin Laden. They don’t want to mention al-Qaeda, unless of course it’s in the context of a drone our military dropped on one of its leaders. But as the embassy attacks illustrate, the Islamic terror threat has not disappeared. It hasn’t been vanquished by the lofty speeches of a Nobel Peace Prize-winning president, or eradicated by his policy of covert assassinations. The fact that the White House hasn’t seemed to grasp this is what made today’s briefing so tone-deaf, and so startling.

[rev]

This will somehow be Bush's fault.

[rearnakedchoke]

Originally Posted by NateR

Yeah, I don't believe the date of the attacks is a coincidence at all.

It's also despicable to me that the Obama Administration would be verbally attacking an American's free speech rights in order to appease terrorists.

yeah ... its so despicable that he is trying to stop violence and killing around the globe ... the idiot that made this movie had one motive and that it to piss people off and cause this crap ... if you have watched the film, he duped the actors and everyone in the film into making what he made .. and i don't even think he is american ... i think he is eqyptian ... but whatever ..

[Neezar]

No doubt the intelligence community has adapted to its diminished access to the commander in chief and is finding a way to get the president the intelligence he needs. Members of the community have endured a lot these past 3 1/2 years — accusations of torture from the Oval Office; more than 100 criminal investigations from the Obama Justice Department that resulted in zero — zero — criminal charges being filed; a president who is quick to claim credit for killing Osama bin Laden while denying credit to the CIA interrogators who made the mission possible. They’ll survive not being invited more frequently into the Oval Office.

Hadn't even thought of it from that point of view. Cherry picking.

[Neezar]

Originally Posted by rearnakedchoke

yeah ... its so despicable that he is trying to stop violence and killing around the globe ... the idiot that made this movie had one motive and that it to piss people off and cause this crap ... if you have watched the film, he duped the actors and everyone in the film into making what he made .. and i don't even think he is american ... i think he is eqyptian ... but whatever ..

Which do you think would (logically) piss off the terrorists more: Killing bin Laden or someone making an independent YouTube film?

[huan]

blaming a movie that has been out months after the killings just happen to kick off on 9/11 is hilarious.

I guess we can blame Bill Maher's Religulous for the Westboro Baptists now...

[VCURamFan]

Originally Posted by rearnakedchoke

yeah ... its so despicable that he is trying to stop violence and killing around the globe ... the idiot that made this movie had one motive and that it to piss people off and cause this crap ... if you have watched the film, he duped the actors and everyone in the film into making what he made .. and i don't even think he is american ... i think he is eqyptian ... but whatever ..

Much like the idiot who burned the American flag & is protected under the 1st amendment, right? Or the idiot who publishes Neo-Nazi literature?

Just because it's a stupid, ignorant thing to say doesn't change the fact that he's 100% protected in saying it.

[NateR]

Originally Posted by rearnakedchoke

yeah ... its so despicable that he is trying to stop violence and killing around the globe ... the idiot that made this movie had one motive and that it to piss people off and cause this crap ... if you have watched the film, he duped the actors and everyone in the film into making what he made .. and i don't even think he is american ... i think he is eqyptian ... but whatever ..

So, if a Michael Moore movie makes me angry and I kill somebody over it, then it's Michael Moore's fault not mine? The only reason that idiot makes movies is to piss people off, so isn't it the same thing?

Freedom of expression is one of the founding principles of this country. By speaking out against free expression, the President makes our country look weak and divided. In the long run, that is going to cost more lives than these riots.

Besides, the film is just a convenient excuse, I'm fully convinced these riots were planned out long before. The Obama Administration is just working overtime to cover up the fact that al Qaeda is alive and well post-Osama bin Laden.

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by Bonnie

Is the Arab Spring turning into a nightmare for Israel and America? The expression, "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't," comes to mind seeing what is happening now in Egypt. Is this what the Egyptian people had in mind when they ousted Mubarak...the Muslim Brotherhood? I've been watching the news stories, some people, like John McCain, think we shouldn't give up on democracy in the Middle East, others think we should withdraw from that part of the world and withdraw all our financial aid. Is democracy realistic for the Middle East and these other Muslim countries, or, are we just kidding ourselves?

What do you think?

Well...most of us dont understand President Barack Obama over Egypt certainly.

Hosni Mubarack was an allied force to the United States, and whilst he was also a dictator, the administration quite literally left him to the mob. Now they have an Islamic Brotherhood in power in Egypt with a boarder to Israel...thats just...real clever isnt it?

The one thing that the west havent realized yet is that, firstly, Democracy only amounts to "ellected dictatorship" and secondly, They dont realize that sometimes people DO NOT KNOW WHAT IS BEST FOR THEM...sometimes the Will of the People is really not a wise thing to indulge

I NEVER understood why America and England allowed what became of poor Hosni I really dont.

The best rule of thumb is a benign and well loved dictatorship, it has to be said. It is stable, everyone knows the state of play, everyone is fine with the state of play. Sometimes "Revolutions" just give birth to other monsters, no better then the monsters they decapitated.

There are two things to note about this attack...firstly, I concure that this was a planned event, and that it was to do with marking 9/11 and not to do with the film. HOWEVER, I think the general mood has everything to do with the film, and its a case of "any excuse"

This is going to turn shockingly bad for Barack Obama, who must know what Israel will do in the next two months...and how do we think that will go down in the arab world? Not well...Egypt and Jordan provided safety for Israel when she angered the arabs because they WERE relatively liberal...Egypt getting a more conservative form of Islam is not going to be so relaxed when their better friends the Iranians get an airstrike up the arse....

I dont really see how Barack Obama can hope to win the ellection now...embassies bombed, ambassidors dead, and Israel about to go AWOL over Iran....and all when Obama should be talking the talk and walking the walk....if he says its wrong, he will anger the islamists and it will get worse, if he says its okay and does nothing, the Americans will think he has no bottle...if he aggrees with Israel, the rest of the world are going to roll their eyes at the Americans flippent foreign policy and say it has more exceptions then rules...if he condemns Israel he can say good bye to his cherished Jewish Vote.

Lets see him talk himself out of this one....all Romney has to do is stand back and watch...I think the Democrat campaign is about to come crashing down, and GOD willing, it will take the current administration with it.

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by NateR

It's also despicable to me that the Obama Administration would be verbally attacking an American's free speech rights in order to appease terrorists.

Firstly...Barack Obama would rather this film never have been made, because the response to it makes his life more difficult...this has nothing to do with appeasing terrorists...it has to do with making his campaign trail easy enough...why? coz without the film he wouldnt have to deal with these new terrorists.

Secondly...Does your government not have the right to express its opinion? if it dissagrees with this film, should it keep stum? Would that not be to exert a form of tyrany over your Government?

Finally...there is a case where a large number of Americans think because they have the freedom to do whatever they want, they SHOULD do it, just because they can. I'm not sure why anyone would bother to make films to poke fun at other peoples religions, unless they were deliberately intending to cause distress. Just because you can...doesnt mean you should...and whilst the response is on the people who respond...let us make quite clear that the self discipline not to rise to a taunt should be equaled by the ability not to be so imature as to make the taunt in the first place.

America often acts without thinking of the consequences, and her people, often move emotively without engaing rationale. We all remember how just a few years ago, despite knowing that burning Qurans would not stop the spread of Islam and would only make matters worse and more unsafe for the troops on the front...a worryingly large number of people ON THIS VERY FORUM, considered it perfectly justified, simply to quell their own rage, and to make a two fingered gesture which was most unbecoming, and entirely GODless in its malice.

So...in summery...Obama is only thinking about himself...not about the American people, and not about the Terrorists. The film makers and those who think abusing the freedom they have been granted, on an emotive whim, without the slightest thought about consequences beyond their selfish need to express themselves in a degrading and appaulingly rude manner, is quite deliberate, and just as inexcuseable as the violence the results due to reception by a people with next to no self control over religion period.

Finally...the film and the embassy violence, are not as connected as everyone is making out. 9/11 will be the reason for any planned attack, but general riots with no purpose and anti-americanism views will be due to the negative properganda of films like the one being dicussed.