George St. Pierre “It’s hard to finish a guy who doesn’t fight to win.”

[Bonnie]

Originally Posted by VCURamFan

Fixed.

Whatever works...

[wavetar]

I agree he hasn't been the same fighter since the first Serra match, but Georges shouldn't feel the need to try & justify his wins. 14 of his 22 wins have been by submission or stoppage, and his decisions have been mostly very dominant...no other fighter with a similar record gets raked over the coals like he does. FWIW, I've seen fights get stopped for less than the beat downs he gave to Kos & Fitch too.

It's obvious to me that his ground & pound sucks, relative to his other skills. Stand up is technically very solid, and of course the takedowns are great, but he isn't going to pound anybody out, so he might as well let 'em stand a minute after getting the takedown and continue picking them apart on the feet.

[kevint13]

Originally Posted by rearnakedchoke

exactly .... haters gonna hate ... after one round its a foregone conclusion gsp is gonna dominate ... it becomes positional for guys and they wanna just survive ... if gsp was squeaking by on split decisions and leaving doubt with the judges, that is one thing, but since the loss to serra, he has been a freight train pounding on people ... gsp is the worst possible match up for condit ... condit will be on his back from the start .....

It's not like we are talking about someone like Dominick Cruz who just doesn't have the power to KO someone, GSP has all the tools and knowledge to finish fights. Do you honestly believe that his competition gets scared and that makes it hard to finish them? If that is the case then what is excuse for Condit, who I don't think will break to him?

[flo]

Originally Posted by Bonnie

Why is truth called hate? Isn't it fair to say he has established a pattern now of not finishing his fights? He's the one coming out with this "questionable" reason of why he hasn't been able to finish his last several opponents. We're just expressing our skepticism about his reasoning.

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Exactly. I don't hate him either, but his statements are ridiculous!

Javier, I take it you mean GSP is the greatest welterweight that lives in the town of Montreal...

[Bonnie]

Originally Posted by wavetar

I agree he hasn't been the same fighter since the first Serra match, but Georges shouldn't feel the need to try & justify his wins. 14 of his 22 wins have been by submission or stoppage, and his decisions have been mostly very dominant...no other fighter with a similar record gets raked over the coals like he does. FWIW, I've seen fights get stopped for less than the beat downs he gave to Kos & Fitch too.

It's obvious to me that his ground & pound sucks, relative to his other skills. Stand up is technically very solid, and of course the takedowns are great, but he isn't going to pound anybody out, so he might as well let 'em stand a minute after getting the takedown and continue picking them apart on the feet.

What other fighter(s) with a similar record are you referring to? Are they champions? Maybe he's held to a higher level of expectation because he has been so dominant in his fights and has managed to hold the WW belt for so long. Having been so dominant, why wouldn't we expect him to be able to finish fights?

[wavetar]

Originally Posted by Bonnie

Maybe he's held to a higher level of expectation because he has been so dominant in his fights and has managed to hold the WW belt for so long. Having been so dominant, why wouldn't we expect him to be able to finish fights?

Point taken, he hasn't been a finishing champion, and although I admit some personal disappointment in the results, I don't translate that into disparagement towards Georges. I can only hope that he gets some finishes while still champion in his prime & loses a few detractors. You know fickle MMA fans...if GSP knocks out "the runner" Condit, then he'll be a KO artist, and Condit will have a glass jaw...until the next fight, at least.

[rearnakedchoke]

Originally Posted by flo

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Exactly. I don't hate him either, but his statements are ridiculous!

Javier, I take it you mean GSP is the greatest welterweight that lives in the town of Montreal...

right now gsp is the best ww on the planet .. hands down ...

[JavierDLC]

Originally Posted by flo

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Exactly. I don't hate him either, but his statements are ridiculous!

Javier, I take it you mean GSP is the greatest welterweight that lives in the town of Montreal...

No I meant at the moment. Since he beat Matt the second time he became the Best Welterweight in MMA!

[JavierDLC]

Originally Posted by rearnakedchoke

right now gsp is the best ww on the planet .. hands down ...

Agreed!!

[JavierDLC]

Originally Posted by wavetar

Point taken, he hasn't been a finishing champion, and although I admit some personal disappointment in the results, I don't translate that into disparagement towards Georges. I can only hope that he gets some finishes while still champion in his prime & loses a few detractors. You know fickle MMA fans...if GSP knocks out "the runner" Condit, then he'll be a KO artist, and Condit will have a glass jaw...until the next fight, at least.

Well first of all Condit isn't a runner! No matter how much the Diaz Lovers love to throw that out. Carlos landed and threw more in that fight! Yes! He out-struck the mighty Diaz! Beat him at his own game! The difference was Carlos evaded him the whole fightg and landed some solid strikes!! If Diaz was so enraged with Carlos plan.. why didn't he take him down from the get go?! Carlos has more finishes by submission and by stoppage then Nick! He has a better Ratio!

Second of All Carlos has a Granite chin!! And the Heart of a Lion or a (Frankie Edgar)

I agree to the point where I also hope for Georges to get more stoppages but with that said...

If anyone should upset Georges... Not that he will get upset but if someone where to do it... I think in my opinion it should be Carlos! He's such a cool dude I met him at the Convention and he seem like a really genuine guy.