Fedor is victorious

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by rockdawg21

Haha, no offense Dave, but we were all just making jokes about being scared of Germany.

You know your stuff though and I admire your passion!

What the British Public IS Afraid of is NOT being able to trust OUR OWN Governments ability to STOP German domination in the Eurozone via Treaty, leading to law, leading to Federal Union. That would equate to Hitlers want to dominate Europe...but achieve it by peaceful aims...some of us will never be ready for a Germanic Rule over the Continent, whether its done by success in war...or completely by peaceful consent.

The second worry is that due to the financial status of this country, I honnestly dont think we COULD fight a proper conflict that transcends country boundaries. We had success in Iraq (relatively small scale) we have partial success in afghanistan (larger scale) We bearly managed to aid a civil war in a third world african country...and we wont take the chance with Syria....all of the above we did with extensive help from other countries.

We may well be incapable of fighting a war on our own against a single enemy, much less fighting unaided against an emerging union that could cover an entire continent.

Our Military is at its lowest point since the Napoleonic wars, we cant afford the proper safety apparatus for our deployed troops, we've downgraded our airforce, we bloody share crusiers and warships with the socialist french!!!

Bear in mind that we were once bigger then your own country in terms of wealth, firepower (for that era) and land...acting ALONE...now look at us...we can bearly stand.

Anyone wonders what might happen when next year the results of the Faulklands Referendum come in, and it irritates the argentinians so much they decide to make a proper bid for the land and the oil reserves in the seas of her coast?

Do you honnestly think we could stop them? Because I honnestly dont.

..and yes...I do think that somethings are wrong whether aggreed upon by treaty or not...an entire generation of young men over a good quarter of this planet died, less then 100 years ago, to stop Germany taking Europe by force....is it really alright to allow them to take it by a goodwill contract now?

Whats more scarry...supposing that is the only way to save the Eurozone from complete financial meltdown?

Do none of you feel any hatred or worry towards the South anymore? I suppose its different with a civil conflict...not like us Royalists would still fear or hate parliamentarians...

okay...Supposing the British made a treaty with Washington to retake control of the Collonial States to save the Federal Reserve some dosh...would you be able to remember how strongly, you had fought a war to STOP that from being the case...or would you just go..."well...at least they wouldnt make us buy health care insurence "

Think about that as your independance day approaches...times do change...but to reverse by mere politics what thousands of people died for...I just dont know if thats acceptable...is that really civilized? does it really remember with honour those fallen in a cause so deeply believed it changed the world at the time....to be undone by the stroke of a pen, amicably....is that peace? is that negotiation?

...or at the end of the day, is it a form of High Treason

[Tyburn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8BpcWgET8

I dont know how anyone who did this...could be given what they want, peacefully, less then a century later...particularly as their are still people alive who went through this

My Nan turned 88 years old today...she remembers....she lost a friend in the air force

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-wW58-3qSQ

[JavierDLC]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8BpcWgET8

I dont know how anyone who did this...could be given what they want, peacefully, less then a century later...particularly as their are still people alive who went through this

My Nan turned 88 years old today...she remembers....she lost a friend in the air force

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-wW58-3qSQ

Are you serious right now?????

Are you saying that all German People right now generations later are still to blame for what happened in WW2?!?!? Im not German and I've probably met 3 German people in my life total all of them professors in the past 2 years and I think its kind of Fuc@#! UP to put this on them.

What Hitler did was completely outrageous and Crazy but before that Germany was treated like Sh!@

If even a 1/4 of people now where as patriotic and grateful for their nationality like those people back then maybe the world would be a different and better place.

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[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by JavierDLC

Are you serious right now?????

Are you saying that all German People right now generations later are still to blame for what happened in WW2?!?!? Im not German and I've probably met 3 German people in my life total all of them professors in the past 2 years and I think its kind of Fuc@#! UP to put this on them.

What Hitler did was completely outrageous and Crazy but before that Germany was treated like Sh!@

If even a 1/4 of people now where as patriotic and grateful for their nationality like those people back then maybe the world would be a different and better place.

Thats because by the time Hitler came along, we'd already lost the first generation of men....and they were internationally punished via sanctions and removal of some land, rightly so...the depression was world wide...that wasnt treatment.

I dont hold any individual german responsible for the sins of their fathers so to speak...BUT I do think that there should be a recongised status whereby the Germans as a Nation are NEVER given anything resembling an Empire...not then, not now...not ever.

...and by their own admission they are pushing for political union, for a federation...and that should not be permitted to happen.

I am all for right wing policy....but I draw the line at the moment you think whats good for you should be applied to the rest of the world. The Age of Empires is over.

[Bella79]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

Thats because by the time Hitler came along, we'd already lost the first generation of men....and they were internationally punished via sanctions and removal of some land, rightly so...the depression was world wide...that wasnt treatment.

I dont hold any individual german responsible for the sins of their fathers so to speak...BUT I do think that there should be a recongised status whereby the Germans as a Nation are NEVER given anything resembling an Empire...not then, not now...not ever.

...and by their own admission they are pushing for political union, for a federation...and that should not be permitted to happen.

I am all for right wing policy....but I draw the line at the moment you think whats good for you should be applied to the rest of the world. The Age of Empires is over.

My Grandparents are from Germany.. I don't appreciate your anti-German messages.

[Bella79]

Originally Posted by JavierDLC

Are you serious right now?????

Are you saying that all German People right now generations later are still to blame for what happened in WW2?!?!? Im not German and I've probably met 3 German people in my life total all of them professors in the past 2 years and I think its kind of Fuc@#! UP to put this on them.

What Hitler did was completely outrageous and Crazy but before that Germany was treated like Sh!@

If even a 1/4 of people now where as patriotic and grateful for their nationality like those people back then maybe the world would be a different and better place.

Thank you for this.!! You are absolutely correct..

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by Bella79

My Grandparents are from Germany.. I don't appreciate your anti-German messages.

I have NO problem with Germans...I just dont want them to rule Europe....I do not want a Federalization of Europe under the German Government....Ideally...I dont want the European Union, I dont want the Euro Currency. I dont want a European Parliament, I dont want a European Court, I dont want a European President....I want a continent full of individual soverign States

...Sorry if that offends

WADR...your country has never known war like Europe. Your country has never lost everything because of a war. Your country has not ever lost an entire Two Generations of men because of war. Your cities have never faced the Blitz. Its impossible for me to expect you to understand that having been through all that, for Germany as a State (nothing to do with Germans as people) to Rule a Federal System over the entire Continent within 100 years of the FIRST War...its just wrong.

When you understand the utter devistation of entire cities, when you understand the ideal of sending unmanned flying bombs to drop out of the sky unexpectedly on civilians randomly, when you understand the dedication behind the dunkirk evacuations....

When Washington D.C or New York City, Or Chicago, or San Fransisco are bombed continuosly for fifty seven nights...and left razed completely to the ground...THEN you might understand what its like to see your enemy get what they want by peaceful methods, and you will find yourself in the same position....If it wasnt for Germany England would still have an Empire and still be the top super-power....If it wasnt for Germany and Japan, The United States may never have become a super-power at all....you became powerful because those infront of you were irreparably damaged by the Germans...and you kept powerful because of your geography relative to any would-be aggressor. you are, in a word, lucky

[JavierDLC]

Originally Posted by Tyburn

I have NO problem with Germans...I just dont want them to rule Europe....I do not want a Federalization of Europe under the German Government....Ideally...I dont want the European Union, I dont want the Euro Currency. I dont want a European Parliament, I dont want a European Court, I dont want a European President....I want a continent full of individual soverign States

...Sorry if that offends

WADR...your country has never known war like Europe. Your country has never lost everything because of a war. Your country has not ever lost an entire Two Generations of men because of war. Your cities have never faced the Blitz. Its impossible for me to expect you to understand that having been through all that, for Germany as a State (nothing to do with Germans as people) to Rule a Federal System over the entire Continent within 100 years of the FIRST War...its just wrong.

When you understand the utter devistation of entire cities, when you understand the ideal of sending unmanned flying bombs to drop out of the sky unexpectedly on civilians randomly, when you understand the dedication behind the dunkirk evacuations....

When Washington D.C or New York City, Or Chicago, or San Fransisco are bombed continuosly for fifty seven nights...and left razed completely to the ground...THEN you might understand what its like to see your enemy get what they want by peaceful methods, and you will find yourself in the same position....If it wasnt for Germany England would still have an Empire and still be the top super-power....If it wasnt for Germany and Japan, The United States may never have become a super-power at all....you became powerful because those infront of you were irreparably damaged by the Germans...and you kept powerful because of your geography relative to any would-be aggressor. you are, in a word, lucky

aweee well boo hoo poor Tyburn....

You just admitted that the German people are your enemies.. again

And yes I'm lucky I'm an American and I wouldn't trade that for any nationality in the world!

[Tyburn]

Originally Posted by JavierDLC

aweee well boo hoo poor Tyburn....

You just admitted that the German people are your enemies.. again

And yes I'm lucky I'm an American and I wouldn't trade that for any nationality in the world!

ANY Country that wants to create a Federal Europe AGAINST the wishes of half of Europe should be classed a potential enemy...ANY Country that thinks it can use, and has used, financial blackmail to over-ride the democrasy of Countries that are completely Soverign should be classed a potential enemy

Surely as an American you understand that?? Or do you approve of countries imposing their law over another country by (attempting to) removing democratically ellected Governments?

...other then North Vietnam...obviously.