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Old 05-02-2012, 06:33 PM
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So we all know the basic contractual rate for MMA fighters in the UFC...but what we dont know is actually how much money they make.

I have two questions...do you first think that some people decide not to bother with MMA because they dont realize that UFC fighters get paid a lot more then is specified

and secondly...do you really think the UFC refuse to disclose out of courtesy to the fighters (i.e its kinda rude to ask someone what they earn, as that, especially in the public field can be used against them on a bad day) OR do you think the reason they keepo stum is because IF they revealed they would be unable to justify why they give some more money they others...This would be a sort of coruption that they already use in plain sight when handpicking who gets to contend a belt...and...thus...who doesnt.

Would we find the UFC pays people the management like more then people they dont, and would they, if their finances were open to public scrutiny find themselves embarissed by their personal bias, in terms of letting their professional conduct be blurred with "friends" or "favourites" where money is concerned.

I am purely talking about money between UFC and Fighter...I am NOT talking about Public or private sponcership, details of which we could never expect the UFC to publish since it doesnt involve them, though we could of course demand the fighters themselves produce documentation...but I dont really think thats the issue, since bias so long as solidifed through a formal contract is fine with sponsors...its NOT fine with Employers

I give two examples:

1) When Tesco Supermarket wanted to open a superstore in town, noone wanted them. They wanted to build on a disused gasworks, and the rulling was that this was inappropriate in terms of the capabilities of the transport system around town in that area.

Then Tesco offered several million pounds to the council, simply to spend how they wished on town development.

Next thing you know, Tesco were granted permission.

Clearly, the money was a Bribe.

2) Sainsburys Supermarket Chief of sourcing was ready to decide which potatoe firm was to get the contract to supply the chains. He chose the firm who bought him expensive personal gifts, and sent him on a prepaid holiday.

Big Businesses, of which the UFC is one, can not be seen to be doing corrupt financial dealings, with a string of Casino, and a name like Fetitta, doesnt one worry when the institution refuses to produce evidential proof that their money transfers are sound and proportionate and just. Is it not sign of a guilty conscience...if they have done nothing untoward, why would they mind?
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Dave, hereís why they donít reveal the fighter pay information: competitive advantage. It doesnít matter if itís chess, MMA, baseball, football, poker, Truth or Dare or business: you never let your opponent know what youíre capable of or what youíre planning. And yes, the fighters are Zuffaís opponents when it comes to contracts: Zuffa wants to pay them nothing, they want Zuffa to pay the millions. They then argue with each other until they reach a mutually acceptable deal. Thatís how it works. The reason that the majority of athletes, even the no-name bench warmers, in the other major sports make millions is because the owners have been forced to open the books, thus tipping their hands & allowing the players to have a better shot at negotiating. Zuffa is a privately owned company that isnít required to open their books, so they wonít. Itíd be foolish.

Iím not even going to bother addressing your continuous libel campaign against Zuffa because Iím just tired of the malarkey. 2 anecdotal accounts of English grocery stores & vague racist statements based solely on a familyís last name & their line of business is not a compelling argument, itís just dissipating smoke & cracked mirrors.
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as vcu pointed out .. the ufc is a private company and can do whatever they want as long as they show the irs they are doing everything legal and giving them the right amount of taxes ...

all this talk of fighter pay is real silly though ... these guys are making decent money and chose what they love to do ... sure they entertain us .. are you not entertained?
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as vcu pointed out .. the ufc is a private company and can do whatever they want as long as they show the irs they are doing everything legal and giving them the right amount of taxes ...

all this talk of fighter pay is real silly though ... these guys are making decent money and chose what they love to do ... sure they entertain us .. are you not entertained?


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Dave, hereís why they donít reveal the fighter pay information: competitive advantage. It doesnít matter if itís chess, MMA, baseball, football, poker, Truth or Dare or business: you never let your opponent know what youíre capable of or what youíre planning. And yes, the fighters are Zuffaís opponents when it comes to contracts: Zuffa wants to pay them nothing, they want Zuffa to pay the millions. They then argue with each other until they reach a mutually acceptable deal. Thatís how it works. The reason that the majority of athletes, even the no-name bench warmers, in the other major sports make millions is because the owners have been forced to open the books, thus tipping their hands & allowing the players to have a better shot at negotiating. Zuffa is a privately owned company that isnít required to open their books, so they wonít. Itíd be foolish.

Iím not even going to bother addressing your continuous libel campaign against Zuffa because Iím just tired of the malarkey. 2 anecdotal accounts of English grocery stores & vague racist statements based solely on a familyís last name & their line of business is not a compelling argument, itís just dissipating smoke & cracked mirrors.
thats an interesting ideal...that private companies shouldnt be held accountable.

Its also a dangerous ideal...but then, considering how little your country regulates ANY Business or Employment, as is prooved by you lack of unions, slight of hand contracts, and almost nothing in the way of employment law whats-so-ever, im not suprised your of that opinion.

The unfortunate thing is two fold...for the rest of the world, what happens when an unregulated US Company does something wrong, and it has a detrimental effect on non US Citizens?

Secondly...private company or not...this company employs, or sub-contracts non US Citizens and has bases of management and production outside of the jurisdiction of US Law.

Finally...my issue isnt that they get paid not enough, or get big money...my issue is knowing the UFC I want to know that are acting in a JUST manner towards all their employees...im always suprised that For Americans freedom matters everywhere...EXCEPT in the place you make a living. A Christian Country that doesnt care how its workers are unfairly treated...or probably doesnt even care to enquire if they are.

The problem is you dont hold big businesses to account...and whilst you may think you've got your reasons, consider, that the take over of the Federal Government into areas it shouldnt have any business being in, happens for identical reasons. If you dont keep these companies, businesses and institutions in check, you will become their slaves. Now, hows that for Tyrany.


Hinting of mafia connections isnt racist Ben
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as vcu pointed out .. the ufc is a private company and can do whatever they want as long as they show the irs they are doing everything legal and giving them the right amount of taxes ...

all this talk of fighter pay is real silly though ... these guys are making decent money and chose what they love to do ... sure they entertain us .. are you not entertained?
What is IRS

Do you mean some type of Inland Revenue

Do we know if the UFC pay taxes when they host in other countries

Do we really know ANYTHING about the financial wellbeing or Internal Economy of the UFC at all?
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They then argue with each other until they reach a mutually acceptable deal. Thatís how it works. .
How do you know. Please dont tell me the UFC actually runs on a Haggle and Bartering system

That is SHOCKING...have you never heard of minimum wage...or a salery scale...imagine a world where you could "negotiate" your own pay package

To the best of my knowledge the only place that happens in England is the housing market...where people haggle in thousands of pounds...its is the most stressful, undermining, and riddiculously stupid system I have EVER encountered...having just been through it. It was SO stupid I couldnt do it and someone else haggled for me...WTF is the point in advertizing a House at 90K if you will accept 85K...and why would you think, or risk saying a low amount which might be turned down when someone puts in a better bid.

BTW it means two people can have identical houses, bought at the same time, for two different prices...now if fighter saleries truely are still measured on an archaic level like that...there is some MEGA injustices to the poor chaps who noone likes and cant bargain...but are expected to do the same as some paid three times maybe, not coz they are better on skill, but simply because they were conned into settling for less.

its an outrage. ONLY in America
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...but then, considering how little your country regulates ANY Business or Employment, as is prooved by you lack of unions, slight of hand contracts, and almost nothing in the way of employment law whats-so-ever,
You really have no idea what youíre talking about.

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Hinting of mafia connections isnt racist Ben
Hinting of criminality based on someoneís race is, yes, racist.
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1)You really have no idea what youíre talking about.



2) Hinting of criminality based on someoneís race is, yes, racist.
1) I know a bit, considering that about three years ago I was thinking I might emmigrate actually. The Employment law, or, comparative to England, lack thereof, was majorly offputting to me

2) Technically speaking being in the Mafia doesnt mean your part of any "Race" its more of an occupation centralized on probably just a few families..which in terms of both Race, Country of Origin, Nationality, and ancestry can be quite different.

Besides I dont base it on anything but the name...and I'm sure that it was someone on this very forum who told me that Fetitta is a mafia name, otherwise how would I even know
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