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Old 08-25-2011, 01:42 AM
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This is a 3-part sermon series by John MacArthur that talks about the doctrine of Divine Election from a Biblical standpoint. He starts out by listing all the criticisms that Christian teachers have with this doctrine and admits that he himself sometimes has trouble understanding it; but it's clearly taught in Scripture and is not something that we can easily dismiss. (Each part is about 55 minutes long.)

Part 1:
http://www.gty.org/resources/Sermons...1#.TlWiW66OgyA

Part 2:
http://www.gty.org/resources/Sermons...2#.TlWjla6OgyA

Part 3:
http://www.gty.org/resources/Sermons...3#.TlWjqq6OgyA

In short, the doctrine of Election states that we, as a fallen people, are incapable of finding Salvation without direct intervention from GOD Himself. Thus, belief is not something that we arrive at by our own intellectual means and it is not something that we are convinced of by empirical evidence. Belief is a gift from GOD and GOD only grants that gift to those He has chosen. However, GOD doesn't simply choose those of us who choose Him first, GOD chose each of us before the creation of the universe.

This means that Salvation is 100% a work of GOD and is not GOD's reward to us for something that we did. It also eliminates any possibility of self-congratulatory boasting on our part.

For those of you who are strongly opposed to this doctrine, I would ask that you simply listen to all three parts before criticizing, because he may address whatever concerns you may have in one of the sermons. I know that many are going to claim that Divine Election is unfair, unjust, or makes GOD out to be a monster, but MacArthur addresses all of that in these sermons.
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:47 AM
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... admits that he himself sometimes has trouble understanding it; but it's clearly taught in Scripture
If a guy as brilliant as MacArthur has trouble understanding it..... it can't be that "clearly" taught in Scripture.

I'm a big fan of MacArthur and I've always enjoyed his teachings so thanks for posting these. I'm just about to finish a series by Driscoll and as soon as I do this will be next on my list.

Great post!
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:53 AM
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If a guy as brilliant as MacArthur has trouble understanding it..... it can't be that "clearly" taught in Scripture.

I'm a big fan of MacArthur and I've always enjoyed his teachings so thanks for posting these. I'm just about to finish a series by Driscoll and as soon as I do this will be next on my list.

Great post!
There are lots of Biblical principles that our finite, sinful minds will never be able to fully comprehend, that doesn't mean that they aren't clearly taught in Scripture. Divine Election is mentioned throughout the Old Testament and New Testament. It's there, but people simply don't want to see it because it contradicts our corrupted understanding of justice, fairness and free will.
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Old 08-25-2011, 02:20 AM
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There are lots of Biblical principles that our finite, sinful minds will never be able to fully comprehend, that doesn't mean that they aren't clearly taught in Scripture. Divine Election is mentioned throughout the Old Testament and New Testament. It's there, but people simply don't want to see it because it contradicts our corrupted understanding of justice, fairness and free will.
agreed people might think they understand eternity but they don't eternity doesn't mean forever. it means the absence of time, God created time just so our finite minds could digest what is happening no one can understand the absence of time/eternity, but the bible is clear about eternity

i for one believe that it is when people think they understand that they don't have the slightest clue, be it eternity or election, so i am glad he admits it is hard to understand


anyone that claims to grasp eternity is a fool
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Old 08-25-2011, 04:16 PM
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If a guy as brilliant as MacArthur has trouble understanding it..... it can't be that "clearly" taught in Scripture.

I'm a big fan of MacArthur and I've always enjoyed his teachings so thanks for posting these. I'm just about to finish a series by Driscoll and as soon as I do this will be next on my list.

Great post!
What series of Marks are you reading/listening to.
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Old 08-25-2011, 04:21 PM
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It is a hard doctrine to get our human minds around. Paul talks about it quite a bit and Peter does say that some of the things that Paul writes about are hard to understand. For me it was a series by Mark Driscoll called Christ on the Cross that opened my mind to this doctrine of election and that salvation was gifted to me by God. I will definitely listen to this sermon series.
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:48 PM
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I agree with half of it. I think the bible teaches there is bibl