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Old 03-21-2011, 03:14 PM
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Y'all can see where things would get sticky though, right? Especially now that they are supposed to fight each other. Jon Jones just won the belt and now has to fight his team mate to defend it and vice versa his team mate has to fight him to try and take it. And they both train with Jackson. Awkward isn't even the word. Sounds like it's a win-win for Jackson, not so much for Jones or Evans especially seeing how one of them is going to be the winner, the other the loser.

Jackson makes it sound so easy with "the coaches will just have to handle it", but let's be real here. He's not going to want to be in the champ's corner for a title fight? This whole set-up was just screaming "separation and divorce".
I've got no problem with Rashad training elsewhere for this fight. I've also got no problem with Rashad switching camps if he so chooses. The part that sticks in my craw is the bit I quoted about "against my wishes". I mean, it's not like Rashad was the only LHW at Jackson before Bones showed up. Kieth Jardine was there as a long-time training partner & Rashad didn't complain. Mate used to be a LHW back in the day & Rashad wasn't complaining. But now that he became champ, suddenly he felt like he should get the final say on who did & didn't get in? No, sir.
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Old 03-21-2011, 03:59 PM
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Wow! Rashad really just opened the floodgates in an interview w/ BloodyElbow.com:

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"You can't say you are not going to have anything to do with it when you are a big part of the reason why the situation originated. That's like spilling a glass of milk and then walking away and saying that you don't want to have anything to do with it. You f**king spilled the milk... so you're at least going to help clean it up right? When Jon Jones came to the gym over a year ago Greg Jackson came to me and said, "listen, what do you feel about having this kid on the team?" I told him straight up that I didn't like it. I told him that the kid was talented and that the sky was the limit with him but that was the type of guy I wanted to fight not train with. Greg came back saying, "No, no, no this will be just like you and Keith where he will be just like a brother." I still told him that I didn't want to do that. Then Greg said if that situation ever did arise between Jones and I that he would have to turn the fight down because that's how it works. He would have to turn down the fight with me so that way I wouldn't be put in a position where I looked like a punk. That's how it works in the Greg Jackson system. After a while Greg was so high on this kid coming in and I met Jon Jones and he was a very nice and very sweet kid, so eventually I said f**k it, let' s bring him in. After he got there and I trained with him and tried him out a little bit, something didn't feel right so I moved my camp up to Denver to train at Grudge for awhile. That is where I spent the majority of my time over the past two fights...

For my last two fights I have trained with Greg Jackson five times. During my time at Grudge I wasn't really dealing with Greg too much but were maintaining a great relationship and friendship so after my last fight I decided I was going to head back to Albuquerque to train with Greg and everything felt good there. My training went great. Jon and I were clicking on another level almost like I did with my first training partner. It was starting to get to the point where it was like what Keith and I have where we feel like brothers. We would share ideas and I wasn't holding back on him and I felt that he wasn't holding back on me and I knew that because there were days where Jon would have some rough days in the gym. We worked a rough pace and if you are competing at this level and you train with someone everyday you can tell when they are struggling. I did my best to help and I really felt that our friendship was on another level...but that wasn't the case. When the first opportunity came and he said that he would fight me if Dana said so, that to me stung more than anything. He said that he didn't want to lose his job and look man, the UFC isn't going to fire anyone because they are turning down fights. If anything it would mess up future opportunities for them and they weren't going to come to him and say, 'if you don't fight Rashad you are kicked out of the UFC.' That wasn't going to happen. I was always considerate and respectful to our system because if I had the belt then I would want you to do the same for me. Then he comes across on national TV and says that he will fight Rashad if Dana White tells me to and I felt so f**cking utterly disrespected...

I mean it's one thing to say something in an interview but the least you could have picked up the phone and been like, "man I did an interview today and they kind of put me on the spot with a rough question and I answered it this way." At least give me the heads up so that way I know and not look at it if he's Judas or something. You know who Judas is? That interview was some backstabbing s**t but now it's like whatever because now I know the game he is playing. Then for Greg to sit back and say he doesn't want to have anything to do with it... why not? You f**king created the situation. Be his coach and be in his corner. That's what you want so do it. I don't care if he coaches against me. It doesn't even matter...

I have a lot of motivation. I feel disrespected on many levels and the worst part is that it comes from people who I felt were like family. I would have done anything for Greg Jackson, and I would still do anything for Greg Jackson but I felt disrespected beyond belief. I feel disrespected by Jon because when I think about when we trained or when we were chilling, was the s**t even real? Or was he just trying to be a master manipulator and try to manipulate the situation so he could get what he wanted out of it? I don't know and that is a question that I have in my mind but when I get down to it...that doesn't even matter because we are going to get in there and we are going to fight. People want to say "oh my God Jon is this and that" but Jon Jones is Jon Jones to me. He's another fighter I have to face. I've seen them all and I've trained with the best. I've seen all the shades of greatness and how this one was supposed to do this and this one was supposed to do that. It's all the same and it doesn't even matter."
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Old 03-21-2011, 04:06 PM
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Holy crap, & that's just the teaser!! The full interview is here: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2011/3/21...kson#storyjump
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Rashad is digging a deep hole...

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"I did my best to help [Jones in training] and I really felt that our friendship was on another level...but that wasn't the case. When the first opportunity came and he said that he would fight me if Dana said so, that to me stung more than anything. He said that he didn't want to lose his job and look man, the UFC isn't going to fire anyone because they are turning down fights. If anything it would mess up future opportunities for them and they weren't going to come to him and say, 'if you don't fight Rashad you are kicked out of the UFC.' That wasn't going to happen. I was always considerate and respectful to our system [at Greg Jackson's] because if I had the belt then I would want you to do the same for me. Then he comes across on national TV and says that he will fight Rashad if Dana White tells me to and I felt so f**cking utterly disrespected. I mean it's one thing to say something in an interview but the least you could have picked up the phone and been like, 'man I did an interview today and they kind of put me on the spot with a rough question and I answered it this way.' At least give me the heads up so that way I know and not look at it if he's Judas or something. You know who Judas is? That interview was some backstabbing s**t but now it's like whatever because now I know the game he is playing. Then for Greg to sit back and say he doesn't want to have anything to do with it....why not? You f**kn created the situation. Be his coach and be in his corner. That's what you want so do it. I don't care if coaches against me. It doesn't even matter ... Sure Greg Jackson is a great coach and he has been one of my great friends but let me tell you something...there is no end all be all in this game of mixed martial arts. It's a big of mixed nuts. People are touting Jon around like he's Neo from the Matrix. That's all good and dandy but be there for the kid when the kid falls. Be there to pick him back up rather than turn their back on him like they did to Machida. Lyoto loses and all of a sudden he sucks. No he doesn't f**kn suck it's just the way the game goes. Nobody is supreme in this game and that is what makes mixed martial arts what it is today. Nobody is the absolute best. Anybody can get beat by anybody on any given day."
Greg Jackson seems to have a history of running Ultimate Fighter (TUF) champions out of town for the new kids on the block. Back in 2008 Diego Sanchez told us at MMAmania.com they "took a little something out of his heart" when Jackson brought Georges St. Pierre to Albuquerque in the midst of Diego's pursuit of the welterweight title. Now, history may be repeating itself as TUF 2 champ Rashad Evans tells Duane Finley he's been forced to abandon his home in New Mexico to pursue his dream of once again holding the light heavyweight strap. That's because Jon Jones, who joined Jackson's team under the guise of brotherhood, didn't hesitate to inform the press he was willing to fight Evans if the situation presented itself. Is Greg Jackson manipulating his students to get the most from his brand? Or do fighters inevitably run the risk of facing teammates as the sport continues to grow by leaps and bounds? And can anyone ever see this happening at American Kickboxing Academy (AKA)? Opinions, please.
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Rashad is digging a deep hole...

And can anyone ever see this happening at American Kickboxing Academy (AKA)? Opinions, please.
After GSP's complete Destruction of Josh Koschek! I don't think so. Maybe if Josh had beaten Georges and Fitch was getting the shot at the title then maybe.
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In my mind they are professionals - they really should be able to compete and then have a beer after and be friends.

However this whole Rashad thing I can't help but think is a thing to sell tickets
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In my mind they are professionals - they really should be able to compete and then have a beer after and be friends.

However this whole Rashad thing I can't help but think is a thing to sell tickets
+1 sometimes the stuff we read and see feels like WWE all over again..
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All I got from Rashad's interview was


Whaaaahhhhh!!!!!!!
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Y'all can see where things would get sticky though, right? Especially now that they are supposed to fight each other. Jon Jones just won the belt and now has to fight his team mate to defend it and vice versa his team mate has to fight him to try and take it. And they both train with Jackson. Awkward isn't even the word. Sounds like it's a win-win for Jackson, not so much for Jones or Evans especially seeing how one of them is going to be the winner, the other the loser.

Jackson makes it sound so easy with "the coaches will just have to handle it", but let's be real here. He's not going to want to be in the champ's corner for a title fight? This whole set-up was just screaming "separation and divorce".
Right on the money, Bonnie.
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How would we have felt if Pat had brought GSP into MFS?
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