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Old 08-28-2010, 10:31 PM
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I hope he makes a ton of money and can take care of his family, but the only place he could take Vitali or Wladamir is to the store, if they let him borrow the keys. if he goes in and lets his hands go, he could KO some low level guys and possibly some names but only if he does it in the 1st rd.
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Old 08-28-2010, 11:34 PM
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I hope he makes a ton of money and can take care of his family, but the only place he could take Vitali or Wladamir is to the store, if they let him borrow the keys. if he goes in and lets his hands go, he could KO some low level guys and possibly some names but only if he does it in the 1st rd.


I don't doubt that the possibility for him to win against a VERY LOW ranked fighter exists....but I am really struggling to see who that fighter is at this point....

I mean, seriously, anybody worth being considered a professional by almost any standard in the world would likely trounce Kimbo. They would either be too smart, too fast, too strong, or a combination of the three. Even if Kimbo is faster and stronger than his potential tomato can; said tomato can will MOST LIKELY have vastly superior experience as a boxer and would easily out-point him. Unless we are supposed to believe that Kimbo has one punch KO power or the friggin "Dim Mak Death Touch" (that he didn't even have against "Birdman" in some random Miami backyard) I don't know how anybody could come to the conclusion that Kimbo will be anywhere near anybody in the highest levels of boxing. Leave it to Gary Shaw to think he can sell ice to Eskimos.
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Old 08-30-2010, 02:47 PM
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James Toney's Final Mission: Rid Boxing of Kimbo Slice

By Michael Marley

James “Lights Out” Toney has a course of action left to accomplish.

He participated in a charade, a total mismatch Saturday night in Boston when Randy “The Natural” Couture dropped him like a sack of potatoes for a first round knockout under MMA rules and regulations.

Now I've got the bright (?) idea for another laugher of a fight except that this time it will be five weight division world champion Toney doing the laughing and not being laughed at.

At the same time, Toney could do boxing a favor and rid us of the ridiculous pretension of street brawler Kimbo Slice.

We can label it "Bully Beatdown" like that TV program where would be toughs get their ashes hauled by real MMA athletes.

Slice and handler Big Gary Shaw would have us believe that, having been an MMA flop, now the nearly age 40 Miami destroyer of winos and crackheads, is going to become a legitimate heavyweight contender in boxing.

I mean, come on Big Gar, don't we have enough garbage to deal with already? How many sports is Slice going to be detected as a fraud in anyway?

I wouldn't pay to watch it but it would be great to see a real fighter like Toney mop the floor with this complete phony, Slice.

In an alleyway, Slice might clean Toney's clock, I don't know.

But, inside the boxing ring, Slice would think he forgot to pay his power bill because I've no doubt how quickly and completely Toney would live up to his nickname and slightly rehabilitate himself.

“Lights Out” would dim all the lamps for Kimbo, for sure.

For boxing, it would be a simple case of addition by subtraction.
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Old 08-30-2010, 04:17 PM
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good to know that the author can't even do simple research....He said Couture dropped him like a sack of potatoes with a KO, no actually it's called a submission, nice try though
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Old 08-30-2010, 06:03 PM
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good to know that the author can't even do simple research....He said Couture dropped him like a sack of potatoes with a KO, no actually it's called a submission, nice try though
I actually didn't even catch that.

It's Michael Marley....so don't expect too much. He habitually writes nonsense, however I found the premise for this article to be amusing.
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Old 08-30-2010, 10:55 PM
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Funny to see Shaw talking **** on Dana considering how good things went with Elite XC. What Shaw fails to realize is that Dana proved his point - pure boxers don't have any business in the UFC.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content8315.html
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JAMES TONEY: "TELL GARY SHAW I'M DOWN TO WELCOME KIMBO TO BOXING!"
By Percy Crawford | August 30, 2010

Mondays are by far the hardest days to get going on, but when you receive an early morning wake-up call from future Hall of Famer James "Lights Out" Toney, it's pretty easy to snap to attention. "Wake yo ass up. I heard Gary Shaw was talking **** about me," Toney called me up to inform me earlier today. I scoured the internet to try and find the article he was referring to and ran across a few comments that Shaw had made to>Dan Wetzel of Yahoo! Sports, saying Toney looked "like a very old man, slurred his words, and was non-competitive." Shaw also stated, "James Toney had less than a zero percent chance unless Randy had a heart attack from hearing the bell ring," before referring to the UFC 118 pay-per-view as a "sham." Of course, Toney wanted to set the record straight and let Shaw know that although his mixed martial arts skills still need some improvement, his boxing skills are just fine and he'd love the opportunity to showcase them against any one of his fighters. "Tell Gary Shaw I'm down to fight Danny Green or welcome Kimbo to boxing," Toney remarked.

Toney is just two days removed from his disappointing MMA debut this past Saturday night at UFC 118. UFC Hall of Famer Randy Couture, best known for his skills as a Greco Roman wrestler, wasted little time in taking Toney to the ground and choking him out in a little over 3 minutes. Although UFC President Dana White made it clear that he's no longer interested in matching professional boxers with UFC fighters, Toney insists that he'll continue his mixed martial arts, as well as his boxing career. Regarding Gary Shaw's recent comments, Toney does bring up a valid point. Although people are quick to judge him on his performance inside of the Octagon, no one is too eager to step inside of a ring with him. It's a fact that Toney hopes will change in the near future assuming anyone is brave enough to test their boxing skills against him. Now that he's experienced what it's like to fight inside of a cage, Toney encourages anyone to do the same and step into his world inside of a ring.

Enter former UFC heavyweight Kimbo Slice! After his own disappointing loss to Matt Mitrione at UFC 113, Slice was also released from the organization and now, he and his new promoter, Gary Shaw, have announced his intention to cross over into boxing. Ironically, not too long ago, it was Shaw who first suggested the idea of a bout between James Toney and Kimbo Slice. "I think the UFC made a huge mistake. Once again, Dana's ego has probably gotten in the way. I think Kimbo Slice could be a draw wherever he goes around the world. I think they matched him up wrong. I would have put him against just stand-up fighters. I would have built to a pay-per-view with James Toney, so my way of doing business is obviously different than Dana's and the UFC," Shaw would tell Marcos Villegas of FightHub TV back in June, shortly after Slice was released from the UFC. In fact, according to Shaw, a bout between Toney and Slice would have been much more competitive based on the stand-up skills that both men prefer to exhibit. "If James wants to...and I like James a lot...if he wants to try MMA, then God bless him, but he needs to be in against the Kimbo Slices, the guys where he can stand and use his skills as a boxer. He's way too old to develop all the skills of these real good MMA guys. Impossible," he continued.

While Shaw is correct that he would have stood a far better chance of being competitve against the likes of Kimbo Slice, Toney was actually against taking the easier challenge, preferring instead to test his skills against the best that the UFC had to offer. Given Shaw's comments, however, Toney is now wondering if the promoter feels the same about his own fighters' chances against him inside the boxing ring. "It would have been like taking candy from a baby for me to fight him [Kimbo Slice] with 4 ounce gloves on. But now, since his promoter wants to talk **** about me, I will gladly welcome him into boxing. I fought a MMA legend in my first MMA bout, so now he can fight a legend in his first pro boxing bout," stated Toney. "Furthermore, he is advising Danny Green and I've always wanted to see what he can do without the headgear on because I damn near killed him with it on," he continued.

Never one to shy away from a fight, Toney is already eyeballing a return to the squared circle some time in October, which is also the same month that former light heavyweight champion Antonio Tarver is making his heavyweight debut. Toney is also hoping to get back inside of a cage some time in the beginning of next year. Whether or not Shaw would entertain putting any of his fighters inside the ring with James Toney remains to be seen, but it's clear that the future Hall of Famer won't stop looking to pick a fight anytime soon. So the question is will Gary Shaw put his money where his mouth is and put Kimbo Slice or Danny Green in the ring with James Toney?
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:12 PM
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Funny to see Shaw talking **** on Dana considering how good things went with Elite XC. What Shaw fails to realize is that Dana proved his point - pure boxers don't have any business in the UFC.

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content8315.html
The only thing that was proven is that James Toney has no business in MMA.

I don't get why people are so quick to hate on Boxers and say "they are one dimensional and they won't last in MMA" but at the same time they will give mad props to guys with ONLY Wrestling or Jiu Jitsu backgrounds. People should WANT to see a real high level boxer make the transition and actually take MMA seriously. Instead, we get a fat, washed up, shell of a Boxer who hasn't been relevant in over a decade and who is notorious for NOT training in his OWN SPORT, and that is supposed to be that be all end all to this "MMA vs Boxing" debate...it's ridiculous. "Pure" Boxer or not, most fighters actually take training and preparation seriously and wouldn't come in and try to jump into another sport at it's highest level if they were not ready.

Gary Shaw is just another promoter, like Dana White. Gary Shaw said a few weeks ago that James was too old to get into MMA, but now he is trying to sell people Kimbo Slice getting into pro-boxing.

Now Shaw and Goosen will be putting this stupid fight together....unbelievable...Thanks Dana.
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Old 08-30-2010, 11:15 PM
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LOL, all good points. Start with the basics, go bottom up and earn your way into the top guys. Toney brought that on himself, but like he said in his interview that I posted on the UFC section, he wanted to test himself against the best the UFC had to offer. I think he's nuts, but I respect that he wanted to fight the best.
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He only wanted to fight "the best" to get that paycheck.

What James Toney made in his first fight compared to other UFC/MMA fighters is basically criminal.

Sure, I give him props for getting in there and taking his lumps, but the man has had over 80 professional fights, that is what he does. He did nothing to prepare and came in grossly out of shape, as usual, except this time he was supposed to have "gotten into shape", instead he was 20 pounds heavier than he has ever fought at....
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He only wanted to fight "the best" to get that paycheck.

What James Toney made in his first fight compared to other UFC/MMA fighters is basically criminal.

Sure, I give him props for getting in there and taking his lumps, but the man has had over 80 professional fights, that is what he does. He did nothing to prepare and came in grossly out of shape, as usual, except this time he was supposed to have "gotten into shape", instead he was 20 pounds heavier than he has ever fought at....
Yeah he should have been cast on an episode of Bully Beatdown instead of a UFC ppv event!!
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