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Old 08-13-2010, 05:40 AM
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Er, I typed that before I read Nate's comment.

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Old 08-13-2010, 05:57 AM
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I forgot about the brain surgery thing. However, he was still cleared to fight and he had 2 hours to lose half a pound. There's really no good excuse for not making weight.
Your right. He took the fight knowing that making weight was expected of him. I think there might have been added pressure because this fight was put on hold so many times. Who knows,... I did meet Thiago once, and know several people who know him, and he seem like a really nice guy. I bet it was as heartbreaking to him to not pull through with his weight as it was for everyone else. If dolce can indeed get him to be a healthy 170 the go for it,...other wise a move up to 185 is the only other option.
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Old 08-13-2010, 10:04 AM
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I forgot about the brain surgery thing. However, he was still cleared to fight and he had 2 hours to lose half a pound. There's really no good excuse for not making weight.

I found this quote from Alves about the weight cut: http://mmajunkie.com/news/20224/thia...lterweight.mma

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Alves told reporters he was 177 pounds at UFC 117's pre-fight press conference and said he would make weight without issue. But when he stepped on the scale this past Friday, he came in heavy on his first attempt and shortly afterward chose to take the CSAC's fine.

"Could I have lost half a pound?" Alves asked. "I believe so, but it would have taken me a long time to get the half a pound to come off. So it was just easier for me at the time to let them take 20 percent of my purse. I wasn't happy or anything like that. But it was the smarter decision for me."
I don't like Alves as a fighter. Don't forget, he was caught with Spironolactone in his system, so he is a proven cheater. He knew days in advance of the Matt Hughes fight that he wasn't going to make weight. Instead of trying his best, he coasted into the fight with a huge weight and strength advantage. In the quote above, he admits that he could have made weight but took the "easier" road. I think it speaks volumes about his character.
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Old 08-13-2010, 03:02 PM
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That's a great quote, and like you said, I think it speaks volumes about his character. This is his job. It is his responsibility to make weight, and he has failed to do so again. As I posted before, I don't really think it will be a problem in the future, as I'm quite sure that Dana is going to make him fight at 185.

Maybe Matt will fight Dennis Hallman next, I'd like to see him avenge those two early losses in his career...
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I found this quote from Alves about the weight cut: http://mmajunkie.com/news/20224/thia...lterweight.mma



I don't like Alves as a fighter. Don't forget, he was caught with Spironolactone in his system, so he is a proven cheater. He knew days in advance of the Matt Hughes fight that he wasn't going to make weight. Instead of trying his best, he coasted into the fight with a huge weight and strength advantage. In the quote above, he admits that he could have made weight but took the "easier" road. I think it speaks volumes about his character.
Agreed. He didn't even have to decency to give Matt a heads up & try to negotiate a catchweight in the days leading up to the fight. Instead, he let Matt completely dehydrate himself & then said "Oops, my ankle". Sheisty move.

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Maybe Matt will fight Dennis Hallman next, I'd like to see him avenge those two early losses in his career...
Did anyone else here Joe during the PPV saying that Matt had to watch out for the guillotine while shooting because it's Ricardo's specialty & Matt's been caught by Hallman with it before? I was like " You're going kinda deep into the archives to reference a 1998 loss in Extreme Challenge 21, ain't cha Joe? "
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Agreed. He didn't even have to decency to give Matt a heads up & try to negotiate a catchweight in the days leading up to the fight. Instead, he let Matt completely dehydrate himself & then said "Oops, my ankle". Sheisty move.


Did anyone else here Joe during the PPV saying that Matt had to watch out for the guillotine while shooting because it's Ricardo's specialty & Matt's been caught by Hallman with it before? I was like " You're going kinda deep into the archives to reference a 1998 loss in Extreme Challenge 21, ain't cha Joe? "
I've always wondered if Joe is fair to Matt considering Joe's an outspoken atheist. I believe it was Shane Carwin who he was interviewing after his loss to Brock who said to Joe something about thanking God and Joe got this half smirk on his face & did what looked like an eye roll.
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Old 08-13-2010, 07:27 PM
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If Alves can't make weight I don't think it's fair to may fighters that do, but I was thinking I read an article where Matt said he's never asked for a rematch before but he wanted one against Alves. Did I just make that up or did anyone else see it?
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Agreed. He didn't even have to decency to give Matt a heads up & try to negotiate a catchweight in the days leading up to the fight. Instead, he let Matt completely dehydrate himself & then said "Oops, my ankle". Sheisty move.


Did anyone else here Joe during the PPV saying that Matt had to watch out for the guillotine while shooting because it's Ricardo's specialty & Matt's been caught by Hallman with it before? I was like " You're going kinda deep into the archives to reference a 1998 loss in Extreme Challenge 21, ain't cha Joe? "
If I'm not mistaken, Joe went out of his way to make that reference, and was still completely off base, because he cited the guillotine as occurring during a loss to Hallman at UFC 29, which was incorrect because while Matt did lose to Hallman @ 29 it was by way of an armbar (if I'm not mistaken), the guillotine occurred in Matt's 5th pro bout, the 98 loss at Extreme Challenge 21, like you said...
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If I'm not mistaken, Joe went out of his way to make that reference, and was still completely off base, because he cited the guillotine as occurring during a loss to Hallman at UFC 29, which was incorrect because while Matt did lose to Hallman @ 29 it was by way of an armbar (if I'm not mistaken), the guillotine occurred in Matt's 5th pro bout, the 98 loss at Extreme Challenge 21, like you said...
Joe Rogan is a heathen. He's so foolish he failed to see what happened at the end of the match between Roger Huerta and Leonard Garcia
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Joe Rogan is a heathen. He's so foolish he failed to see what happened at the end of the match between Roger Huerta and Leonard Garcia
That was a beautiful fight to watch. When they knelt together afterwards, I teared up. I was lucky enough to be watching that fight live in the arena. It's still one of my top 5 favorite fights. Joe Rogan will never feel what those two fighters felt kneeling in that octagon together.


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