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Near the end of his appearance on Monday's edition of The MMA Hour, UFC heavyweight Matt Mitrione went on an unsolicited tirade about transgender fighter Fallon Fox.

The reaction from his employer was swift. Late Monday afternoon, the UFC released a statement saying Mitrione has been suspended for violation of the company's code of conduct.

"The UFC was appalled by the transphobic comments made by heavyweight Matt Mitrione today in an interview on ‘The MMA Hour.'

The organization finds Mr. Mitrione's comments offensive and wholly unacceptable and - as a direct result of this significant breach of the UFC's code of conduct - Mr. Mitrione's UFC contract has been suspended and the incident is being investigated.

The UFC is a friend and ally of the LGBT community, and expects and requires all 450 of its athletes to treat others with dignity and respect."

Mitrione, who defeated Phil de Fries via knockout in 19 seconds at UFC on Fuel 9 on Saturday, was rattling off jokes about Fox on The MMA Hour when host Ariel Helwani asked Mitrione what he had against the transgender fighter.

"She's not a he. He's a he," Mitrione said. "He's chromosomally a man. He had a gender change, not a sex change. He's still a man. He was a man for 31 years. Thirty-one years. That's a couple years younger than I am. He's a man. Six years of taking performance de-hancing drugs, you think is going to change all that? That's ridiculous.

"That is a lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak," he continued. "And I mean that. Because you lied on your license to beat up women. That's disgusting. You should be embarrassed yourself. And the fact that Florida licensed him because California licensed him or whoever the hell did it, it's an embarrassment to us as fighters, as a sport, and we all should protest that. The woman that's fighting him, props to you. I hope you beat his ass, and I hope he gets blackballed and never fights again, because that's disgusting and I'm appalled by that."
So do you think this was Matt's job to suspend him?

I listened to when Mitrione said it and thought he might get into trouble. You would think after Miguel Torres, Forrest, and Rashad getting into trouble for making inappropriate comments that others would learn, but apparently not
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:15 AM
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The "incident is being investigated"? Last time I looked, we still had freedom of speech although I realize that it only goes one way with the left. They won't be happy until they have a Department of Approved Speech.

I totally disagree with this decision. Have him take sensitivity training or whatever else but give me a break. He wasn't in a UFC setting when he made those remarks. I'm sure he has certain clauses in his contract but I believe he should be punished - NOT released. Big mistake, IMO.

I guess it's ok to joke about rape, etc., but not disparage a member of GLTB. I mean...seeing as Forest, Miguel and Rashad weren't fired.
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Matt Mitrione wasn't fired, he was just suspended pending investigation. What I hope the investigation turns up is that Mitrione was discussing the fact "Fallon Fox" was born a man and was choosing to fight women when he used the strong language ""That is a lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak," and that he wasn't commenting on the person's decision to get a sex change in that way.

If I were Meathead, that's how Id try to present my case anyway. Poor Meathead. Lots of people thought, he said it. He's the martyr here. Hopefully he'll just put out a video apology and be fighting again soon.

I'm also curious if this is something that Matt Hughes would have to deal with in his new job. Seems like from all the descriptions I've gotten that it could be.
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Matt Mitrione wasn't fired, he was just suspended pending investigation. What I hope the investigation turns up is that Mitrione was discussing the fact "Fallon Fox" was born a man and was choosing to fight women when he used the strong language ""That is a lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak," and that he wasn't commenting on the person's decision to get a sex change in that way.

If I were Meathead, that's how Id try to present my case anyway. Poor Meathead. Lots of people thought, he said it. He's the martyr here. Hopefully he'll just put out a video apology and be fighting again soon.

I'm also curious if this is something that Matt Hughes would have to deal with in his new job. Seems like from all the descriptions I've gotten that it could be.
Oh drat, I misunderstood. I take back my rant. Thanks for clarifying, 3dlee, my only excuse is I've been deliriously ill for close to 2 weeks and it apparently affected my reading comprehension.

I don't think he's a martyr, hardly. He just deserves to be punished like the rest of the big mouths who made totally inappropriate statements. I don't think Matt (H.) would be wild about dealing with this sort of thing.
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I still don't think he deserved any punishment. He didn't go on about gays being terrible people. His argument was that Fallon Fox has an unfair advantage fighting women since he's been a man his whole life with the natural physical advantages that gives.

I don't see a problem with his statements. He wasn't gay bashing. He was bashing the idea of a man beating up women.
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I still don't think he deserved any punishment. He didn't go on about gays being terrible people. His argument was that Fallon Fox has an unfair advantage fighting women since he's been a man his whole life with the natural physical advantages that gives.

I don't see a problem with his statements. He wasn't gay bashing. He was bashing the idea of a man beating up women.
Well the problem is that he stated that Fallon's still a man. According to the LGBT community, once the snip/tuck's been performed we must refer to him as a "she". If we keep referring to him as a "he", then we are hateful bigots.

Also, to discuss him in any way that connects the word "disgusting" to him is even more hateful bigotry.
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I still don't think he deserved any punishment. He didn't go on about gays being terrible people. His argument was that Fallon Fox has an unfair advantage fighting women since he's been a man his whole life with the natural physical advantages that gives.

I don't see a problem with his statements. He wasn't gay bashing. He was bashing the idea of a man beating up women.
I think the "lying, sick, sociopathic, disgusting freak" comment is what got him in trouble. I also think that the UFC is a little more careful nowadays as they have already had run-ins with the LGBT community and these comments aren't going to help.
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The "incident is being investigated"? Last time I looked, we still had freedom of speech although I realize that it only goes one way with the left. They won't be happy until they have a Department of Approved Speech.

I totally disagree with this decision. Have him take sensitivity training or whatever else but give me a break. He wasn't in a UFC setting when he made those remarks. I'm sure he has certain clauses in his contract but I believe he should be punished - NOT released. Big mistake, IMO.

I guess it's ok to joke about rape, etc., but not disparage a member of GLTB. I mean...seeing as Forest, Miguel and Rashad weren't fired.
i thought freedom of speech was the gov't can't infringe on your freedom of speech ... the ufc has a contract with mitrione and he should have to comply with the contract or not sign it ... and it was an interview for an mma show, so he is still representing his employer ... like i said earlier, agree with him or not, he should have been smarter with his delivery and choice of words ... the ufc will investigate and if they find out he is in breach of his contract, he may get released .. can't feel bad for him ...
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i thought freedom of speech was the gov't can't infringe on your freedom of speech ... the ufc has a contract with mitrione and he should have to comply with the contract or not sign it ... and it was an interview for an mma show, so he is still representing his employer ... like i said earlier, agree with him or not, he should have been smarter with his delivery and choice of words ... the ufc will investigate and if they find out he is in breach of his contract, he may get released .. can't feel bad for him ...
Not just the government, no one can interfere with our freedom of speech, unlike Canada:

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Last month, the Canadian supreme court, at a stroke, undid all the good work of the last five years, reaffirmed the state's role in the thought-crime business, rejected truth as a defense, and took a narrow, generation-old ruling on "hate speech" and carelessly broadened it. And they did it unanimously. Nearly four centuries after John Milton declared, "Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties," on the highest court in one of the oldest democratic jurisdictions on earth there is not a single vote for the rough-and-tumble of unfettered speech necessary to any free society.
Link to my Steyn quote here. (yes, that was a gift for you specifically, RNC ;-)

He has a right to say it. The UFC has a right to handle it as they want but if they did fire him, he should hire a lawyer to sue them for infringing on his freedom of speech. That was the point I was trying to make.

The "social justice" lefties want to shut down any conversation in which one disagrees with their agenda. They label their causes very carefully (i.e. "pro-choice" instead of "pro abortion"). They will shout down and stifle any disagreement. I believe in traditional marriage. It is my right to say and believe that. Yet I will be attacked in vicious ways online for simply stating that fact, even though I don't attack them for their views with which I disagree. This is how they operate - intimidation and stifling debate. Just take a look at what is happening at George Washington University, where 2 gay students are trying to get rid of the Catholic chaplain there for having the GALL to believe in his church's stance on homosexuality.

Mittrione used ugly language. He wasn't in a UFC setting (if it was an interview with Ariel, I'm guessing it was video?). UFC can deal with it's employees however harshly they want. I'd love to be inside Dana's head and know what he's reallly thinking. I personally have compassion for people who have serious gender-identity issues. That said, to me Fox is a guy and he shouldn't be fighting a woman no matter what he has had surgically removed or whatever hormones he's taking. Men and women are different as Tyburn pointed out and should not be competing professionally, IMO.

Matt M. should be disciplined and have it explained that when he makes public comments, they can very well come back to injure the UFC. I'm sure he "gets that" now.
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Not just the government, no one can interfere with our freedom of speech, unlike Canada:



Link to my Steyn quote here. (yes, that was a gift for you specifically, RNC ;-)

He has a right to say it. The UFC has a right to handle it as they want but if they did fire him, he should hire a lawyer to sue them for infringing on his freedom of speech. That was the point I was trying to make.

The "social justice" lefties want to shut down any conversation in which one disagrees with their agenda. They label their causes very carefully (i.e. "pro-choice" instead of "pro abortion"). They will shout down and stifle any disagreement. I believe in traditional marriage. It is my right to say and believe that. Yet I will be attacked in vicious ways online for simply stating that fact, even though I don't attack them for their views with which I disagree. This is how they operate - intimidation and stifling debate. Just take a look at what is happening at George Washington University, where 2 gay students are trying to get rid of the Catholic chaplain there for having the GALL to believe in his church's stance on homosexuality.

Mittrione used ugly language. He wasn't in a UFC setting (if it was an interview with Ariel, I'm guessing it was video?). UFC can deal with it's employees however harshly they want. I'd love to be inside Dana's head and know what he's reallly thinking. I personally have compassion for people who have serious gender-identity issues. That said, to me Fox is a guy and he shouldn't be fighting a woman no matter what he has had surgically removed or whatever hormones he's taking. Men and women are different as Tyburn pointed out and should not be competing professionally, IMO.

Matt M. should be disciplined and have it explained that when he makes public comments, they can very well come back to injure the UFC. I'm sure he "gets that" now.
so you mean when Nate deletes my posts he is infringing on my freedom of speech??? lol .. i didn't think so ..

i guess anyone has the right to freedom of speech then, but if people don't like it, you can still get in trouble for it ... LOL ... you can say whatever you want, if you are willing to pay the consequences .. i am fine with that ... people throw out the term freedom of speech like its an absolute freedom .. i know people on here are smart enough to know that isn't the case .. (go talk about explosives in a line up at an airport and see where freedom of speech gets you)

in the end, i am sure the ufc will do what makes sense for them with this .. do i think mitrione is a bad guy .. .nope, he just didn't think before he spoke ..
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