Originally Posted by Bonnie
Goat, I think we're on the same page but coming at it from different directions--kinda like the saying..."what comes first, the chicken or the egg". I agree they are going to need outside help (they obviously can't do it on their own (some people can, but most can't)). It's great if you have someone in your life who you can turn to, someone to say they believe in you, etc..., but if you don't, and you want to change, you're going to have to make it happen yourself. That's all I'm saying.
I don't know that these guys do have those type of people around them, I hope they do. Look at Roger Huerta and his story with his teacher adopting him--an example of what you were talking about. I think for them to be successful it's going to take both--their desire and people in their life to help them. How's that?
if they're rational/sane, then they should be able to make their own decisions.
i'm not confident that if they were given a thorough mental health evaluation they would be though.
that's the part that gets missed. these guys may not even be sane?