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Old 06-13-2009, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by VCURamFan
Wrong.

Right.
Doesn't matter.
Sometimes.
Absolutely.
Theoretically, yes.

What you don't seem to understand, Dave, is that America is not England with a few changes. We have a system of Checks & Balances in place so that no particular branch is able to rule over/dominate the others. It is Congress's duty to decide whether or not we go to war. Period. End of sentence. It doesn't matter who's idea it is, who suggests it, or who pushes for it. If Congress says "War", then America's at war. If Congress says "Peace", then America's at peace.

Now, the President is the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, so if Congress says "War", he could theoretically say "No thanks" and not send troops, but that's never happened.

Seriously, before you start getting on your intellectual high-horse & try to tell Americans about what our country is/does/says/etc., perhaps you should read the Constitution. It's painfully clear from the comments you make that either you've never read it or never understood it.
Fascinating...but merely a facet of your own Legality.

Whether Congress or President, neither, or both sign off on a War, ONLY makes it legal INSIDE America. The moment you take action, you are in breech of International Law...as soon as that happens, in the eyes of the World, your war is not justified.

Try to understand Ben, there is more to this world then America, and the International Community has checks and ballences also. Its called Democrasy, and its called a World Opinion....without that in your Favour, it doesnt actually matter to the rest of the world what your Congress, or your President say.

This is what you guys just dont understand. Actually, you are NOT at the top of the food chain, not in anything. If all the International Community banded together, our Joint Military Force would be more then yours. In terms of Population (proportional Representation for the planet) America is not as significant a voice in the world as you would like to believe.

I dont want to be mean...but you dont seem to understand Democrasy, nor do you seem to be at all humble in your dealings with the rest of the world. You believe that you alone have the ultimate power and the ultimate right. That is Pride...that will eventually be your downfall

Getting Congressional approval is only HALF your battle to committing a Just war. As I understand it, in regards to Iraq, both the UK and US broke International Law whilst maintaining their own law of the land within their boarders. THAT doesnt make it Just.
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