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Old 01-22-2009, 02:37 AM
Hughes_GOAT
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i only call it L n P if the guy on top isn't passing guard, isn't doing any real damage with strikes (elbows, punches, arm and shoulder sub attempts). in fact, they should take any points away from the guy on the takedown if he does nothing with it, especially if he's stood up.
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