Originally Posted by NateR
Your "personal experience" is irrelevant. If you can't support your opinion here with Scripture, then I don't accept any of it. Show me one verse that supports the idea of petitioning dead saints to pray for us.
You could maybe bring up the example of King Saul consulting a medium to contact Samuel from beyond the grave, but that was not portrayed in Scripture as a positive thing at all. It was actually seen as a very grave sin on Saul's part.
In fact, attempting to communicate with the dead is directly prohibited by Scripture. When you pray, you should ONLY be communicating with GOD, there are no other options given in the Bible.
Personally, I dont pray, or petition anyone but GOD.
But there are things that can not be so easily supported by scripture. You know, there is nothing in Scripture that specifically tells you what to do when faced, directly, with certain evils, that are more then cryptic analogies.
Never the less, there maybe times when you are faced, directly, with an evil entity. I dont really understand what Saint Paul actually meant in his letter to the Ephesians...metaphorical dressing in armour is highly unhelpful...it is perhaps because I didnt know what to do...that I did the only thing I could, and called for help.
Nevermind saving ourselves from eternal damnation...there are things in THIS realm that we cant even save ourselves from. From personal experience, I know that to be true...and it is because of such experiences, that I also know how the spiritual realm can just barge into you.
The dead are not Dead...they are VERY MUCH alive in Christ...this is proven by Visitations... In the time of their visitation they will shine forth, and run like sparks through the stubble... It often happens that between death and burrial that "contact" is initiated from the otherside.
A few nights after my Grandfather passed away, my Nan was awoken in the middle of the night to find her room filled with light, and she described being able to see her deceased husband...and he said the following to her
"Do you not know?
Have you not heard?
The Lord is the everlasting God,
the Creator of the ends of the earth.
He will not grow tired or weary,
and his understanding no one can fathom.
He gives strength to the weary
and increases the power of the weak.
Even youths grow tired and weary,
and young men stumble and fall;
but those who hope in the Lord
will renew their strength.
They will soar on wings like eagles;
they will run and not grow weary,
they will walk and not be faint
He was using a passage from Scripture, from Isaiah...but he wasnt referencing it applied to the mortal living... "those who hope in the Lord will renew their strength"
Wasnt, "If you feel bad, God will confort you" but more like "Those who die in The Lord, are ressurected with the Lord" Those who have died in Christ, the faithful departed, the communion of saints...whatever you want to call them, are as much a part of the church, as those who live on earth. Like a Great Cloud of witnesses, you might say