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Old 02-25-2013, 03:06 AM
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1) Capitalistic Companies are there to make money, I understand that, but there is a point at which their desire to make money often over steps the bounds of morality which should be a concern for everyone

In England the Law keeps a far better ballence in terms of allowing freedom for those who created the business, and own them, but also providing safe guards for those who work in them. In England noone can just get up and leave if they dont like who they work for...if that was the case, we would all have done it...but jobs are so hard to come by these days that if you have a job, you do everything you can to keep it, no matter how shyte your employers get...and believe me, Capitalist Companies, they will do anything to make harder times when they can not make that profit, they make cuts...when you are in the position of being paid a single persons wage, but doing the job of multiple persons, so the Company doesnt spend so much on wages, you know things are hard

But its ethically wrong to have the ability to dismiss someone for no good and valid reason. In this country, basically, they cant just fire you. They have to follow set guidelines, and they have to be applied to everyone regardless of status...although you find there are people, sometimes so high up that are protected by their status...thats relatively rare now...or at least ive never encountered that.
But this is no different here. Times are tough here too and many people are staying in jobs that they absolutely hate because they don't have a choice. I chose to walk away from a situation like this. Thankfully I have been able to 'make things work' and am currently back in school, which I will be for the next 3 years.

We do have the ability to walk away from a crappy job, I am very thankful for this as my job had destroyed my health both physically and mentally. I guess I would rather have this right than guaranteed employment.

2) I dont mind that they cut Jon fitch...but a great many Britons are angry that the UFC basically cut nearly all their grass roots potential from this it good business sence to cut upcomming british fighters, when the few british names you have at the top are...basically, crap
Upcoming fighters are different than contenders. Maybe the UFC does not want to develop fighters and they want contenders now. Is that wrong?

3) You want him to stay you can enjoy watching him fail again
I guess I do. But Koscheck has assumed that role and he seems to enjoy being the 'villain'. So I don't see an issue with that and I am sure I am not alone.

4) But some of those cut, were basically ultimate to win, with stoppages three out of five matches, to only have been finished once in the only two losses on your entire record...and to be young enough to bounce back from that...and yet still be granted none of that precious "leeway" The company cant claim its about "ultimates" when it safe guards some obvious failiures can it??
You are obviously referring to Paul Sass. Let's look at a few other stats: He had 4 strikes total in his fight with Castillo....4...and that is a fight that went to a decision. His other loss was a first round submission. Sass is a talented fighter, but right now I don't think he is a contender or close to it nor are the two guys who beat him.

Now take a look at the UFC's LW division. Have you seen how many fighters they have under contract? Some of these guys will be gone here too, they just haven't fought yet this year.

5) I didnt say it was the right thing to do...I just said thats what they do with their favourites...and no I dont think thats right either....I think I refered to it as "Bribes and corruption" "Sucking up and ass kissing" or something like that
Kissing ass happens everywhere and in a lot of cases it works for people. Life is cut-throat and people will resort to extreme lows to get what they want/need. You can't let it bother you because it isn't going to change.

6) Let them go persue other opportunities That is the justification I came up with for myself one day in June. I had done absolutely nothing wrong, my Employer had turned against me, out of the blue I was bought into a little room and told to Resign or be fired. I spent the entire day wandering around pondering my decision...I decided that maybe it was okay...I'd just go do something else...having made that decision I went into my local and found others from my work place and told them all about it and they were horrified. They told me that Employers are not allowed to do that, and that I was bloody well going to fight for my rights...I had spent all day turning this ultimatum into a fair agrreement...but it wasnt a fair agreement, it was an ultimatum. I went back to my Employer, told them that I was not going to go quietly, and, as per there side of the deal, they began to fabricate evidences to mount a constructive dismissal campaign...they moved fast because you have to have been working for an employer a year to gain rights of unfair dismissal at a tribuneral...and knowing that, they wanted rid of me quickly.

the Registrar at the first disciplinary was so taken by my stance, he offered to represent me in later disciplinaries but I declined his offer. During the first Disciplinary I lost the pannel, whilst they returned a verdict of guilty, they could not apply any sentance because I had prooved their trial corrupted. I won the second disciplinary...and then they ran out of time for the third...and when I passed my year, the whole thing vanished into the if It had never happened.

GOD knows what I would have done if they were an At Will employer who didnt need to legitamize entire way of life would have been distroyed, I would have been homeless, financially bankrupt. The desperate irony is that particular "company" was NOT a Capitalist Company...It was The Church.
That sucks, I feel for you and can sort of relate. You stuck up for yourself, I admire that. Just like you are doing on this, you are sticking up for the fighters, some being your friends. While we will disagree on if this was just, I can't argue against your passion. These fighters will do the same, they will fight again and hopefully give the UFC a reason to bring them back....they are fighters afterall.

7) I cant remember to be honnest, not without looking it up. I think back then, anyone who had been around a long time was demoted before being given the boot...they could do that because WEC was already seen as having been given the boot from the was a demotion.

I dont think he was a favourite...for the reasons I gave before...if he was a favourite he would have been converted to a role as commentator and forced into retirement...perhaps he rejected them...I dont know...I might ask him.
It doesn't matter, my point was that he was given many chances and he lost, and in all buy one he was stopped. Most other fighters would have been cut after 3 losses, yet he lost 5 in a row. There had to be a reason that they kept him, which could easily be viewed as favoritism.

8) It SHOULD be an honour to fight for the UFC...the reason why it isnt is because the UFC dont act in a professional and honourable way to their employees, all....people think that Dana White is so refreshing because he speaks so a sence he cant be taken seriously, because he says never...then does it, changes his mind, tells us, every new fight is the biggest in UFC history...He's not really a respectable character...and he tarnishes his own belts with fast tracking and the likes.

Respect is earned...its given to mature people, professional organisations...the UFC top brass are neither...well Dana White isnt...the very thought of telling an employee they are cut by Twitter...for example...he appologized...but any true businessman with any credibility would NEVER have ever let that be a possibility. Part of this is because they are too informal...they make too much up as they go along, rather then having a defined standard procedure...they make themselves look illegitamate...the whole reason we are discussing this is exactly why "Honour" is not really involved...You cant really regard the UFC as sacred or with any reverence at all...I dont know if you can ever change that really...I dont know how you'd start...I dont really know if its needed...I just want them to treat these fighters in a just manner
I don't agree with a lot of things that Dana says or does, but there are some things that I do. He has said 'Never' to things only to do them, but when has it ever been wrong to change your mind or actually get informed and make a rational decision?

I still don't buy that he is into women's MMA, he is into Ronda. I really wanted to see her lose last night just to see what he would do. You want to talk about favoritism, there it is.

In all, I think Dana is a good guy and does his job the best that he can. I can't imagine all that he deals with all the time....the guy seriously lives this. He has a passion for the sport that cannot be denied, but it is definitely business first. I don't hold that against him.
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