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Old 01-20-2013, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Neezar View Post
What kind of demands are y'all making to the EU?

I mean what is it about the EU that your people are unhappy with?
The most major concern with the European Union is that its NOT what we joined. Originally the idea of a "European Union" was all based on a common market, it was about trade, industry links. The Union was smaller in those days so it was more about paying into a collective, that would make trade easier and allow "Europe" to be considered a Trade Station, as opposed to a multitude of smaller Trades with countries that had no alliance.

When England signed up to this, we had Maggie in power. A conservative who was worried that the governing body of this European Trade group were going to be handling a hell of a lot of money, and that in her words it could become "The back door to a Federal Europe" which is something no Republican or Conservative would want because it means giving up powers over Soverign issues.

Unfortunately it was one of the very last things Maggie did before she was ousted by her own party. The next Conservative leader was weak, and when his term passed we moved into a period of time controlled by the Labour Party. Headed by the infamous Tony Blair.

The Europeans had moved on from just helping each other with a common market, and they now had a Government of Representatives from all the member States of Europe...they are called MEPs, Member of the European Parliament. It was felt to make trade most easy, all the countries in the Union would have to share the same financial currency...for across Europe there was Francs, Pounds, Punts, Marks, Drachma...and a whole lot more. The idea was to form a single currency called "The Euro"

Seventeen States agreed to this in the Union, the rest did not. It was then decided to have a kinda two tier Europe. Those who used the Euro, became "The Euro-Zone" those who did not remained simply as a member of the European Union

The Founding countries by now were paying more into the pot then some of the later countries, as the European Union developed into the Eastern Russian Block and the Middle East. As they went the Parliament got stronger and stronger. It began to appoint itself and create new cross country insitutions which were not ellected, nor accountable to the public. As such, it wanted more money, and more similarities amoung Nations to make coorperation and its work more easy.

Then the European Union decided, as a completely isolated body, it wanted a President. So it appointed one for itself. This was the tipping point for me, between when it moved from being about easy Trade between Nations, to an Institution which wanted political unity and power to govern...and of course, it was unellected.

They began to pass laws which all the member states had to enact. One of the very worse was that all citizens within the European Union effectively had free movement. Obviously there was a big desparagy between living in What was Russia...and living in England...and so mass migration began on a level that England simply couldnt cope with. Any underprivilaged European wanted to become a Brit...or a German...or any nationality where the standard of living was better...and under the European Laws they could do so...and we had great trouble trying to stop them. These Countries suffered an unknown side effect of a single currancy...See whilst they all shared the currency, they did not share the same economy...and so one would put up intrest rates to benefit itself...and that had a dire effect on another, weaker country close by.

England and The Republic of Eire wanted to call them to account by placing a veto on their treaties. According to their own laws, they cant be passed without all member states agreeing to them. So when the Republic of Eire vetoed the Lisbon Treaty, we all expected Europe to be put in its place....but The European Parliament simply ignored the Veto, and made the changes law anyway.

Then the wall street wobble occured, the financial instability in the United States rippled out across Europe causeing a wave of Nationalization (when the Governments take control of the banks because the banks dont have the capitol to back themselves up) this means one of two things...either the Government directly controls the banks...OR the Banks become indepted to the Governments. All this "Common Market Trade" since the begining of the European Union suddenly caught up with all the weaker countries in the by one they could not afford the debt...and so the European Union decided to replace their Governments. The Union of course being controlled by the Country with the most Money....Germany....Whose money originally came from the Americans in the rebuilding process after the war.

Germany now had the right to demand member Government do what it says, or else face bankruptsy...and as members of the European Union, if the Member Country decided to follow German Orders, it got given money...Money from the pot that member countries pay into...So effectively MY MONEY. I pay Tax to the Government...The Government pays the Union...Germany decides where the Union Money goes...and its used to black mail other countries, through a Foreign, Unellected Parliament, who dont even follow their own laws.

Then Finally, the Reign of Tony Blair fell apart and a Conservative was back in power, atleast as part of a Coilition Government (Part of Tony Blairs last speech to the House of Commons at Prime Minister (notice David Cameron, a future prime minister, is leader of the opposition at the time lol...he looks much older

...horrified at the replacement Governments in Greece and Italy...Worried of future replacement Governments in The Republic of Eire, and Spain...AND noticing that it was not one of the Strongest....They instigated Great Austerity, the likes that we havent seen since the Winters of Discontent. They were angry that they still had to give money to Europe...and that the stipulation of a Rebate which Maggie got moments before her political career was felled, was criticized by Germany who wanted, naturally to change that.

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