Originally Posted by rockdawg21
LOL, ok, well if that's what you believe then that's what you believe. Both guys can attribute their rapid rise in star power thanks to DLH. I attribute more of Pac's increase in star power to DLH and his fight with Cotto rather than the talk with Floyd and people began following Pac simply because he's extremely exciting to watch; that's what drew me in the first time I saw him fight (against Ledwaba). Is the talk about him matching with Floyd relevant to Pac's success? Yes, but if it weren't about Floyd, it'd be somebody else (just as you said if it weren't for Floyd, it'd be somebody else other than Pac trying to chase him), it is reciprocal.
And no, based on everything, Floyd deserves more, I admit that, but 70/30, certainly not.
Just wanna say first off...you know I'm not trying to come at you or be a mindless hater. I actually love these debates/discussions about boxing with you. I'm a fan of Mayweather, but I'm a fan of Manny too and more than anything I am just a fan of boxing. Now, down to business...
You say both guys can attribute their rise to DLH, but there is a reason that Floyd vs Oscar was the biggest PPV ever and it wasn't just because of DLH. It wasn't until AFTER Pac beat Oscar that Americans REALLY started caring about Manny. The fact that he is "exciting" is secondary. Being a high volume puncher may excite the fans, but you gotta look good doing it, and he hasn't done that as much in his last few fights (especially against Marquez).
I don't doubt that if Floyd didn't exist Pac would still be Pac in terms of boxing. What I said was, I don't think American fans would care nearly as much. Of course, that doesn't apply to people like you and me who actually follow boxing closely. However, it does apply to the casual American fan. I agree that both guys have benefited from each other, which I said originally, but I think that Floyd's image has made this whole saga what it is. I love Manny, I really do, but it's not like his character is nearly as exciting as his style of boxing. Honestly, how often do you check the boxing news thinking to yourself "I wonder what crazy thing Manny said today...?
I don't think Manny should give Floyd 70/30, and I have gone on record as saying I think Floyd needs to make this 50/50 if he wants to see this fight happen sooner than later. However, even if the split was 70/30 it would still be more money than Pac has ever made under Arum. In boxing, that says a lot.
Let's not forget, Bob Arum is an important piece to this puzzle. Arum is a big part of the reason that both of these guys have the exposure that they do, but he's also part of the problem in terms of Pac's leverage in negotiating. I truly believe that if Pac left Top Rank this fight would be made in a week or two.