Rickson on MMA vs. BJJ
 

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HUH???

Haha, yeah, I dunno either. I've tried to read through it a few times, but I can't seem to keep the thread. :laugh:

rickson is right .. mma has evolved to please the fans more than anything ... it is a spectator sport and therefore the rules/judging will continue to change to please the fans and not necessarily benefit the sport or determine who truly is the best combatant ..

He has a point in that guys today are training to win an MMA match rather than to win a fight, but I’m not sure that’s fundamentally different from the old four hour Helio JJ matches.

When I start my martial art, we’re going to sift crime data to find out what people actually need to be able to do to defend themselves and update the rules annually to keep it relevant to that need.

Of course that would only work for a recsport/amateur format; if you look at Judo or IPSC you can see that anytime you have an incentive to game the system, realism goes out the window.

rules do make a difference. i would always get so frustrated with Pride when someone would be mounted or in side control and get half way through the ropes. the guy who worked to gain the dominant control would then have to fight around the ropes etc. also, no elbows on the ground and allowing head kicks to downed opponents gave a huge advantage to strikers IMO. I also get frustrated when a sub is about to happen and the horn sounds... back to standup for the next round. Just recently with Max Holloway and Pat Schilling that happened. Schililng pulled off a pretty dangerous looking knee bar at the end of the round. IMO if he had more time chances were high he would have tapped/damaged Holloway. He got absolutely manhandled on the feet for all the 15 min, but his BJJ moment could have ended the night under the old rules.

Lets be honest, though its' not a fight it's a business. I don't think anyone who is not a gracie wants to go back to shamrock/gracie type fights that last foreever and nothing really happens or wasn't it shamrock/severn that danced around and slapped at each other forever. (Shamrock has been involved in most of the worst fights in UFC history). Those fights were more "real." The Gracie's can keep doing that behind the scenes in their gym under their Vale Tudo if they want it just won't make any money.

This is so true. We do BJJ most of the time with a gi and I constantly see moves that wouldn't work in MMA simply because the techniques require a gi to be accomplished. If you ask me, this is why wrestling is typically the dominant discipline in MMA because wrestling is literally controlling the person rather than controlling the clothing on the person.

Plus, you see it in the amateurs that even brown belts in BJJ get KTFO, aren't good at takedowns, holding the positions, etc. I think a lot of that is because they train with a gi instead of gi-less grappling all the time.

That’s a good point. I remember starting to really notice the collars of people I saw throughout the day, thinking ‘yeah, I could choke that guy!’

I made that point to one of the brown belts here in TX that you don't see people around here walking around with winter coats, so why train so much with the gi? He disagreed with me, but he's one of those guys who's majorly gung-ho Relson Gracie BJJ. He's awesome, don't get me wrong, but I seriously doubt you're going to see any mostly BJJ schools make it far even in amateur MMA fights.