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Primal Rage 03-16-2009 10:54 PM

Gaining Weight
Hey as it stands now im 6'1 158 pounds. I wanna gain weight....yes gain not lose. But i have such a fast matabolism i could eat mcdonalds 3 times a day and not gain weight. Basiclly i wanna know what kinda foods i should eat to gain healthy weight....not chocolate bars and fast food. i Train about 3 hours a day. Any insight would help thanks :)

logrus 03-16-2009 11:04 PM

IT will take about 1.5-2.0 grams of protein per pound of body weight. Complex carbs is anywhere between 2.0-3.5 grams per pound of body weight. Slowly work your way up in calories til you hit about 6000 a day. Eating a nicely portion meal every 2.5-3 hours. with snack meals inbetween those..

Ease off any intense cardio for awhile, and cut back on the gym 3 hours is way to much even if your multi setting different body parts.

If your old enough look to cycle a pre workout drink, a post workout drink, and a protein shake after training.

Typical gains will be about .25% muscle gain to 1% muscle gain a month unless your juicing or spending hude amounts of $$ on supplements.

Chris F 03-16-2009 11:15 PM

It i snot the most healthy way but I know a lot of wrestler who shocked their metabolisms and thus slowed them down by eating once a day very lightly for a few weeks. This spits in the face of logic but as soon as you eat normal again you gain weight because you mind tells you you might not eat again and stores the calories.

cheachea 03-16-2009 11:28 PM

Drink atleast 3 Protein shakes a day.(25 grams each)
Take Creatine
Take Glutamone
Eat lots of everything
Lift heavy 6 to 10 reps on every lift, except when you are warming up.

You will definitely gain weight and mass if you do this for 3-4 months.

rockdawg21 03-17-2009 12:35 AM

It's a long answer, but trust me, it will help!

You're an ectomorph, so you need to lift weights that are at least 75% and above of your max. Ectomorphs typically have more Type IA muscle fibers (smaller fibers - like the types long-distance runners utilize), so your ultimate goal is to stimulate your Type IIB (large muscle fibers - like the ones used by football running backs and bodybuilders) as much as possible. Lifting weights that are at least 75% of your max will stimulate these muscle fibers.

Lift 3 or 4 times per week.

Also, because you have a high metabolism, don't do cardio while you're trying to gain mass.

Start by taking your lean body mass (total body weight - your total body fat) and multiply it by 20. So if you're 158 and 10% body fat, then your LBM is 158 x (1-0.1) = 142.2. 142.2 x 20 = 2844 calories per day. This is a great starting point for ectos.

Also, you should eat every 3 hours to keep the body constantly nourished so that it will grow. Each meal should consist of lean proteins, fibrous carbs, and healthy fats (except your last meal, your pre-sleep meal, should be a slow-digesting protein and a healthy fat - a good one is cottage cheese with some nuts or healthy oil).

Diet Ratios & Calculation
For most ectos, you should eat at least 1.5 times your body weight in protein. The diet math above will easily take care of that.

30% of daily calories from protein
40% from carbs
30% from fats


* 2800 calories x 30% = 840 calories
* 840 calories / 4 calories per gram of protein = 210g of protein per day
* 210g of protein per day / 6 meals per day = 35g of protein per meal


* 2800 calories x 40% = 1120 calories
* 1120 calories / 4 calories per gram of carbs = 280g of carbs per day
* 280g of carbs per day / 5 meals per day (I'm using 5 because I don't consume carbs on the last meal before I sleep) = 56g of carbs per meal


* 2800 calories x 30% = 840 calories
* 840 calories / 9 calories per gram of fat = 93g of fat per day
* 93g of fat per day / 6 meals per day = 15.5g of fat per meal

Now before you freak out, I know that looks like a lot of fat at each meal. GOOD fats are healthy for the heart, and the only way the body creates testosterone is from monounsaturated and saturated fats. As long as you're eating, even lean poultry or beef, the amount of sat fat consumed will ultimately be converted into testosterone - not deposited in your arteries or on your stomach.


I think a person should always have a "yes" list of protein, carbs, and fat. Simply choose foods from that list and be creative with your meals. For example:


* Extra lean ground beef (at least 93% lean)
* Extra lean ground turkey breast (I've even seen 99% ground turkey breast)
* Venison (deer - most cuts)
* Buffalo/Bison (most cuts and ground meat are very lean)
* Turkey breast
* Chicken breast
* Fish (virutally all fish are super lean and super healthy)
* Milk
* Fat-free cheese (Kraft and Borden make fat-free sliced and shredded cheese)
* Whey protein
* Cottage cheese/casein protein (casein is the powdered form of cottage cheese)
* I don't recommend pork; maybe only if you're going to eat an extra lean pork loin


* Vegetables (virtually all vegetables are just fine; many are low in calories and high in fiber)
* Fruits (fresh only, but check the GI ratings, some are very low, but some such as dates and cherries are very high)
* Beans (any bean)
* Whole wheat breads (Sometimes, you can look for high-fiber breads; I eat one made by Mrs. Baird's that has 6g of fiber per slice)
* Brown rice (brown rice is preferred, most white rices digest VERY quickly)
* Basmati rice or Uncle Ben's rice (the 2 slowest-digesting rices on the planet)
* Dry oats/oatmeal (no sugar versions)
* Pasta (whole wheat is preferred, but there's nothing wrong with normal pasta)


* Udo's 3-6-9 Oil Blend
* Flaxseed oil
* Extra virgin olive oil
* Chili oil
* Sesame oil
* Sesame chili oil
* Sunflower oil
* Fish oil
* Nuts (virtually any nut is fine)
* Avacado
* Fish (most fish have a great amount of omega-3 fatty acids)
* I don't add canola oil; it's a highly processed oil. Try to avoid processed foods

I can't stress this enough. The ONLY time the body builds muscle is while you're sleeping. Get at least 8 hours of sleep every night if you want to grow.

Additional Notes
* Your goal should be compound progression - meaning, work to get stronger EVERY week that you go to the gym. If you don't work to get stronger, you're wasting your time.
* Prior to your workout, make sure that you eat a slow-digesting carb so that you give your body a constant release of energy throughout the workout. Drinks like Gatorade will cause your strength to crash later in the workouts. I always make a protein shake consisting of whey protein, dry oats, and flaxseed oil.
* Keep your workout sessions 1 hour or less. More isn't always better.
* Have a recovery shake immediately after you're done lifting. When you lift weights, cortisol levels rise rapidly in the body, leading to catabolism (breakdown of muscle tissue for energy). Ingesting a fast-digesting carb combined with whey protein drink curves this, gives your body an insulin spike, which triggers the body to release HGH (Human Growth Hormone) and the muscle-building hormone, IGF-1. These will remain elevated for about 36 hours, so your body is highly anabolic during that time period. Great time to eat big! I have 75g of dextrose and 1 scoop (24g) of whey protein as my immediate post-workout shake.
* Your 2 largest meals of the day should be breakfast and post workout.
* Change up your routine at least every 6 weeks. This should help you avoid strength and size plateaus that are so common with most lifters.
* If you're not gaining any weight after 3 weeks, increase your daily calories by 400 (keeping the same 30/40/30 ration) and try again.
* For every 10 pounds of LBM that you gain, increase your daily calories by 400 (keeping the same 30/40/30 ration).
* I know a lot of skinny guys who fear going into the gym because they're worried about what others think of them. Just remember, almost EVERYBODY is in the gym because they are dissatisfied with their bodies.

There's a lot more behind the science of bulking that what I mentioned, but hopefully this will give you some ideas that will help you get started on your journey. I was 120 pounds and 5'7" when I graduated high school so I know how you feel! Simply put, if you you don't eat enough, sleep enough, and lift heavy enough, you won't gain muscle.

Good luck man!

Primal Rage 03-17-2009 04:08 AM

Hey thanks for all the great info. i was just wondering when you said skip cardio when trying to gain weight you mean just Intense cardio...

like my schedule is

Monday-MMA 1.5 hours
Tuesday- I Lift
Wed- MMA 1.5 hours
Thursday-Jiu Jitsu
Friday- Lift and Light Jiu Jitsu
Sat- Muay thai 1.5 hours and jiu jitsu
Sun- Lift

If these sessions are gonna tax my progress should i stop some....or can i just obviously add more calories to make up for what im burning?

Moose 03-17-2009 05:29 AM

Borrow some of my weight.

rockdawg21 03-17-2009 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by Primal Rage
Hey thanks for all the great info. i was just wondering when you said skip cardio when trying to gain weight you mean just Intense cardio...

like my schedule is

Monday-MMA 1.5 hours
Tuesday- I Lift
Wed- MMA 1.5 hours
Thursday-Jiu Jitsu
Friday- Lift and Light Jiu Jitsu
Sat- Muay thai 1.5 hours and jiu jitsu
Sun- Lift

If these sessions are gonna tax my progress should i stop some....or can i just obviously add more calories to make up for what im burning?

I mean, no cardio, period if you're a hard-gainer. However, it IS possible to gain, but it'll require more calories.

In your case, you haven't any choice, so just make sure you're eating more calories to replace those calories.

For example, a 150 pound person cycling at about 75% of their max heart rate for 1 hour will burn approx. 500 calories. As a good estimate, rolling JJ would be 500 calories per hour at your weight, so on the days that you do your training, add 500 calories per hour that you train. Keep the 30/40/30 ratio when you increase your calories. Be sure that you have a good-healthy meal consisting of lean protein, slow-digesting carbs, and quality fats (30-60 minutes) before and (30-60 minutes) after training.

Vitamin C will also be your friend as this helps repair tissue - 1000mg 3-times a day would be great. Also, be sure you're taking a good multi-vitamin. Men's One-A-Day will be sufficient. I'd recommend since you're training hard, have 2 instead of 1 :)

Oh, and in case you don't know your max on lifts in order to estimate your 75% weight. It's pretty much any weight you can do for 8 reps or less. Usually I stack my lifting sets as 6-8 reps, 3 minutes rest, 4-6 reps, 3 minutes rest, 2-4 reps, 3 minutes rest, 1-2 reps, 3 minutes rest, then switch lifts. Once you reach the top # of reps for each set, you're ready to increase your weights.

County Mike 03-17-2009 05:56 PM

My simple solution.

Lift heavy (about 6-8 reps max)
Eat Lots of Protein
Take Creatine
Drink lots of water

Don't waste your time with a lot of junk food. You won't get any quality pounds from that. Protein to build the muscles. Carbs to fuel your workouts. Vegetables (raw is best) are great for all around health and endurance.

rearnakedchoke 03-17-2009 08:11 PM

hey rockdawg, what should be the 2 largest meals of the day? it looks cut-off .. see and i proved i read it ...

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