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que 02-05-2009 04:17 PM

"Jackson's camp has to stop greasing" -Cesar Gracie
 
and yet another professional from the MMA community speaks out about GSP greasing. this is getting crazy


Quote:

A few years back Diego Sanchez had enough grease on him to lube up a semi. His corner was greasing him up so Nick wouldn't submit him. At the time the commission and public wasn't as hip as to how this could affect the outcome of a fight and they got away with it. Now those guys are acting like they didn't know what they were doing. Glad the truth is coming to light.
http://graciefighter.com/?page=forum...3&add_view=set

NateR 02-05-2009 04:47 PM

Does anyone know when exactly "greasing" became illegal in MMA? When I first heard Matt mention Georges' greasiness back in 2006, I didn't know that the practice was against the rules, because I had never heard of it before. It's starting to sound like a recent development.

Spiritwalker 02-05-2009 04:51 PM

Looking over the unified MMA rules.. not a whole lot that is specific...


The Unified Rules are the de facto rules for mixed martial arts in the United States, and have been adopted by other promotions and jurisdictions worldwide.
Legal Techniques

The Unified Rules used to allow all elbow strikes except those hitting downwards with the point of the elbow.

Recent amendments and clarifications to the unified rules now allow all elbow strikes (except those to illegal striking areas of the body, for example, the groin)

Fouls

The following are fouls, as set out by the Nevada State Athletic Commission:

* Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent. (see Gouging)
* Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
* Grabbing the clavicle.
* Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
* Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
* Stomping a grounded opponent.
* Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck. (see piledriver)
* Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
* Spitting at an opponent.
* Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
* Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
* Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
* Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
* Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
* Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
* Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
* Interference by the corner.
* Throwing in the towel during competition. (forfeit)

General Conduct

* Fighters are tested for steroids and other illegal substances.

NateR 02-05-2009 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritwalker
* Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.

So, forget about the Vaseline, GSP still cheated in his last fight with Matt.

Spiritwalker 02-05-2009 04:55 PM

UFCs Rules.. a few more specifics.. and "geasing" could be a point.. see bold..
Fouls: [Top]
1. Butting with the head.
2. Eye gouging of any kind.
3. Biting.
4. Hair pulling.
5. Fish hooking.
6. Groin attacks of any kind.
7. Putting a finger into any orifice or into any cut or laceration on an opponent.
8. Small joint manipulation.
9. Striking to the spine or the back of the head.
10. Striking downward using the point of the elbow.
11. Throat strikes of any kind, including, without limitation, grabbing the trachea.
12. Clawing, pinching or twisting the flesh.
13. Grabbing the clavicle.
14. Kicking the head of a grounded opponent.
15. Kneeing the head of a grounded opponent.
16. Stomping a grounded opponent.
17. Kicking to the kidney with the heel.
18. Spiking an opponent to the canvas on his head or neck.
19. Throwing an opponent out of the ring or fenced area.
20. Holding the shorts or gloves of an opponent.
21. Spitting at an opponent.
22. Engaging in an unsportsmanlike conduct that causes an injury to an opponent.
23. Holding the ropes or the fence.
24. Using abusive language in the ring or fenced area.
25. Attacking an opponent on or during the break.
26. Attacking an opponent who is under the care of the referee.
27. Attacking an opponent after the bell has sounded the end of the period of unarmed combat.
28. Flagrantly disregarding the instructions of the referee.
29. Timidity, including, without limitation, avoiding contact with an opponent, intentionally or consistently dropping the mouthpiece or faking an injury.
30. Interference by the corner.
31. Throwing in the towel during competition.

Spiritwalker 02-05-2009 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NateR
So, forget about the Vaseline, GSP still cheated in his last fight with Matt.


Where did that come it at? I don't remember. Will dig it up when I get home.

Matt is a great fighter/person.. and I hated seeing that specific fight, but I didn't see a knee.

Matt just got caught in that sub last time.. GSP was really on that night also.

NateR 02-05-2009 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritwalker
GSP was really on

....something. :wink:

Spiritwalker 02-05-2009 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritwalker
Looking over the unified MMA rules.. not a whole lot that is specific...


The Unified Rules are the de facto rules for mixed martial arts in the United States, and have been adopted by other promotions and jurisdictions worldwide.
Legal Techniques

The Unified Rules used to allow all elbow strikes except those hitting downwards with the point of the elbow.

Recent amendments and clarifications to the unified rules now allow all elbow strikes (except those to illegal striking areas of the body, for example, the groin)

That amendment to elbows in a downward motion.. was after the Anderson/Lutter fight.. which I still say was a "cheat".. illeagle move"

Spiritwalker 02-05-2009 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NateR
....something. :wink:


you know.. he really is ripped... while I won't judge.. it wouldn't surprise me.

how long does that stuff take to void? The longest..

NateR 02-05-2009 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spiritwalker
you know.. he really is ripped... while I won't judge.. it wouldn't surprise me.

how long does that stuff take to void? The longest..

I'm no expert, but I do know that it's impossible for them to test for everything. And there are likely many substances out there that the Athletic Commissions don't even know exist, much less have a test for.

According to one of GOAT's posts, there are some steroids that could be out of your system within 48 hours.


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