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Chris F 08-01-2009 02:48 AM

Did Jesus reveal the anti Christ?
 
This article claims Jesus reveals the antichrist and his name is.. read for yourself. It is interesting to say the least. I put it in politics because of its content.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105527



TESTING THE FAITH
Did Jesus actually reveal name of the 'antichrist'?
Viral video makes Hebrew word connection to latest White House occupant

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Posted: July 30, 2009
9:50 pm Eastern


By Joe Kovacs
2009 WorldNetDaily


For centuries, many have wondered about the identity of a biblical leader who will do Satan the devil's bidding, trying to thwart the plans of Jesus Christ shortly before His prophesied return to Earth.

That character has come to be known as "the antichrist," even though the Bible never uses that word to describe any single person.

Now, after endless speculation suggesting Presidents John F. Kennedy, Franklin Roosevelt, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush could possibly be the End Times Bad Boy, there's a new viral video placing the current occupant of the White House into the club.

An American Christian has produced a brief film for YouTube that connects one statement by Jesus in the Gospel of Luke to President Barack Obama.

His 4-minute video focuses on the direct quote: "I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven." (Luke 10:18)

"When I started doing a little research, I found the Greek word for 'lightning' is 'astrape', and the Hebrew equivalent is 'Baraq,'" said YouTube contributor "ppsimmons," a self-described Christian with a theological education and many years in the ministry, who spoke to WND under condition of anonymity out of concern for members of his local church. "I thought that was fascinating."

As he continued looking into the rest of the words in the phrase, he focused on "heaven," and found that it can refer not just to God's dwelling place, but also "the heights" or "high places."

He then recalled Isaiah 14:14, where Lucifer, another name for Satan, is quoted as saying, "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."

"I wondered what the word 'heights' is," said ppsimmons, "and I looked it up in the dictionary, and it's 'Bamah.'"

Thus, on the video, the announcer notes, "If spoken by a Jewish rabbi today, influenced by the poetry of Isaiah, He (Jesus) would say these words in Hebrew ... 'I saw Satan as Baraq Ubamah.'"

"Gosh, was Jesus giving us a clue or was this just a freak coincidence?" thought the filmmaker at the time of his research.

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"I want to emphasize I'm not ashamed of what I put there," he told WND. "I'm not proclaiming he is the antichrist, or that I'm some kind of a Hebrew expert, but the word associations are indisputable. The Hebrew word for lightning is 'Baraq' and the word for heights or high places is 'Bamah.'"

The movie has a prominent disclaimer stressing the film does not declare "BHO" [Barack Hussein Obama] to be the antichrist, but is merely pointing out the Hebrew words and their "striking" correlations to Jesus' statement.

Obama is far from being the first public figure to have his identity tied to Bible prophecy. For instance, President Reagan was considered by some to be a potential merely because each of his names Ronald Wilson Reagan has six letters, prompting some to think of 666, the "number of the beast" in the Book of Revelation.

Modern books such as "Naming the Antichrist: The History of an American Obsession" and "Antichrist: Two Thousand Years of the Human Fascination with Evil" have chronicled a wide variety of other suspects including Henry Kissinger, Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Italy's Benito Mussolini, Juan Carlos of Spain, Israel's Moshe Dayan, Egypt's Anwar Sadat, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, Elvis Presley and ex-Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, perhaps for his famous birthmark on his head that some thought could be "the mark" of the beast mentioned in Revelation.

When WND asked if people should take the video seriously or with a grain of salt, its producer said, "I take the middle road. I don't take it with a grain of salt, but I don't use the Bible like a Ouija board either. It's not like a magical crystal ball. Clear prophecy is one thing. Making word associations is another. Just look at it. I wouldn't take it super serious and say that's the proof we need. It's a little weird."

With the video posted now in several locations on YouTube and more than 75,000 total views, there has been plenty of reaction, with comments such as:

Anyone who knows multiple languages, which I do, and attempts to translate from one to the other knows that some meaning and inflection is lost in the translation. Here, we're translating three times: from Aramaic to Greek, and Greek to English, and English to Hebrew. A lot to be lost.
If I went through thousands and thousands of pieces of text about the devil (the whole bible!), I could find things to say [Fox News anchor] Glenn Beck is the antichrist.
It was Michael Jackson. No wait. It was George Bush. No wait. It was Paris Hilton! What the [expletive] is wrong with you people? Grow up. I bet you don't worship the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy, too. Do you?
The Bible uses the word "antichrist" only four times, with one instance in the plural, in the following verses:

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. (1 John 2:18)
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. (1 John 2:22)
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (1 John 4:3)
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (2 John 1:7)

Chuck 08-01-2009 05:27 AM

"interesting" perhaps but complete non-sense............

que 08-01-2009 08:38 PM

that's gotta be the dumbest thing i've read in a very long time. i think i just lost 30 brain cells from reading that

NateR 08-01-2009 09:41 PM

As much as I dislike Barack Obama, I don't usually put much stock in America-centric interpretations of Bible prophecy.

I would also be interested to learn what a Hebrew scholar would have to say about this, because something like this is going to take a lot more than some guy looking up words in a Hebrew-English dictionary to get me to believe it.

Chuck 08-01-2009 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by NateR
As much as I dislike Barack Obama, I don't usually put much stock in America-centric interpretations of Bible prophecy.

I would also be interested to learn what a Hebrew scholar would have to say about this, because something like this is going to take a lot more than some guy looking up words in a Hebrew-English dictionary to get me to believe it.

With the exception of a few comments by Obama he has done nothing to come even close to fulfilling any of the prophecies regarding the anti christ in scripture. Obama is certainly no friend of Israel but he's not the anti christ. Not only is America not mentioned in any Biblical prophecy but the anti christ is almost certainly going to come out of the EU.

rearnakedchoke 08-01-2009 11:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck
With the exception of a few comments by Obama he has done nothing to come even close to fulfilling any of the prophecies regarding the anti christ in scripture. Obama is certainly no friend of Israel but he's not the anti christ. Not only is America not mentioned in any Biblical prophecy but the anti christ is almost certainly going to come out of the EU.

isn't there a mention of Philadelphia in Revelation?????LOL

Chris F 08-02-2009 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck
"interesting" perhaps but complete non-sense............

I agree!

Chris F 08-02-2009 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NateR
As much as I dislike Barack Obama, I don't usually put much stock in America-centric interpretations of Bible prophecy.

I would also be interested to learn what a Hebrew scholar would have to say about this, because something like this is going to take a lot more than some guy looking up words in a Hebrew-English dictionary to get me to believe it.

Yeah those headline hunters are funny. I thought you'd get a chuckle from this article.

Vizion 08-02-2009 01:57 AM

Well, we can most all agree the "spirit of the antichrist" is within Barack Hussein Obama.

Chris F 08-02-2009 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Vizion
Well, we can most all agree the "spirit of the antichrist" is within Barack Hussein Obama.

I would say Obama is the most anti Christian president we have had since Roosevelt. Funny thing is they keep make excuses why Obama has not gone to church except for Easter, and Campaign stops in the last 2 years. The press Secretary says he is having trouble finding a suitable place of worship in DC.


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