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Vizion 11-04-2013 05:13 AM

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
 
I often wonder why athletes use this verse (Philippians 4:13) ....isn't this verse talking about how God uses us through Christ who strengthens us to use for His Will?

Doesn't that Will directly intersect with the Gospel and the preaching of the Gospel to the unsaved? (I.e. the extremely vast majority of the world).

Sorry Matt, and Jon Jones...not attacking either of you but is this verse you are using meant to somehow imply that God is going to give you the strength to beat the crap out of people in the cage?

I mean...isn't that what you believe? :ninja: Or am I the one who is being absurd and mistranslating this verse?

Neezar 11-04-2013 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vizion (Post 202554)
I often wonder why athletes use this verse (Philippians 4:13) ....isn't this verse talking about how God uses us through Christ who strengthens us to use for His Will?

Doesn't that Will directly intersect with the Gospel and the preaching of the Gospel to the unsaved? (I.e. the extremely vast majority of the world).

Sorry Matt, and Jon Jones...not attacking either of you but is this verse you are using meant to somehow imply that God is going to give you the strength to beat the crap out of people in the cage?

I mean...isn't that what you believe? :ninja: Or am I the one who is being absurd and mistranslating this verse?

I think this verse is saying that you accept God's will and whatever comes.

I think it is talking about what you can endure through Christ and not what you can perform.


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10 But I rejoiced in the Lord greatly that now at last your care for me has flourished again; though you surely did care, but you lacked opportunity. 11 Not that I speak in regard to need, for I have learned in whatever state I am, to be content: 12 I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound. Everywhere and in all things I have learned both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need. 13 I can do all things through Christ[b] who strengthens me.

Vizion 11-04-2013 03:14 PM

Good point Neezar...

It's the "I can do all things" part that gets confused though. MMA fighter/champion, out to win against impossible odds but "I can do all things" (including beating someone up for sport). It seems to me that "all things" would infer all Godly things.

You can almost put "Godly" in the stead of "all" in this text...I think.

Chuck 11-04-2013 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Neezar (Post 202555)
I think this verse is saying that you accept God's will and whatever comes.

I think it is talking about what you can endure through Christ and not what you can perform.

This. :)

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Originally Posted by Vizion (Post 202556)
Good point Neezar...

It's the "I can do all things" part that gets confused though. MMA fighter/champion, out to win against impossible odds but "I can do all things" (including beating someone up for sport). It seems to me that "all things" would infer all Godly things.

You can almost put "Godly" in the stead of "all" in this text...I think.

You could! But a better choice and a more accurate choice would be to replace "can do" with "endure". Now obviously all Scripture is God inspired and perfect so we never NEED to or should change words in a verse but in the context of getting a better understanding of what Paul was talking about in this case then "endure" would help explain in more than "can do".

In the time period Paul lived as well as in the situation he was currently in the thought of this verse being some sort of leverage to help him reach his goals etc would just be unheard of.

Vizion 11-05-2013 04:09 AM

I agree with both of you that it is supposed to mean that, but I wonder if it comes off as "I can succeed" at _______ instead. I think the average person may assume that since it is used by athletes then it associated with their success as athletes; which is to me kind of risky.

I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me. Then, we they fail to succeed in doing ALL things (like win for example) it makes the uneducated think that the verse doesn't hold up.

Neezar 11-06-2013 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Vizion (Post 202567)
I agree with both of you that it is supposed to mean that, but I wonder if it comes off as "I can succeed" at _______ instead. I think the average person may assume that since it is used by athletes then it associated with their success as athletes; which is to me kind of risky.

I can do ALL things through Christ who strengthens me. Then, we they fail to succeed in doing ALL things (like win for example) it makes the uneducated think that the verse doesn't hold up.

We are not supposed to worry about what the heathen think are we?

:laugh:

Vizion 11-06-2013 04:27 PM

Haha, well, we do if we want to model our Christ-like behavior so they aspire to want to be like Christ.

Claiming you can do "all things" through Christ and attributing that to something outside of God's will like, your own will for example, and then when you fail to succeed at it kind of spoils the whole notion of doing all things through Christ who strengthens you.

It's a fail in the mind of the unsaved who may be seeking truth because they don't understand the context partly because some people misuse the context and twist it around to make it about them, not Christ, not through His Perfect Will.

I know too many non-believers who scoff because of the misapplication of scripture.

Neezar 11-06-2013 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vizion (Post 202583)
Haha, well, we do if we want to model our Christ-like behavior so they aspire to want to be like Christ.

Claiming you can do "all things" through Christ and attributing that to something outside of God's will like, your own will for example, and then when you fail to succeed at it kind of spoils the whole notion of doing all things through Christ who strengthens you.

It's a fail in the mind of the unsaved who may be seeking truth because they don't understand the context partly because some people misuse the context and twist it around to make it about them, not Christ, not through His Perfect Will.

I know too many non-believers who scoff because of the misapplication of scripture.

Or maybe it will lead them to ask questions and read the content and decide the context for themselves. :)

Vizion 11-07-2013 06:52 PM

Hopefully that will be the case.

Tyburn 11-08-2013 05:23 PM

The grave mistake people make with this verse.

They change in their mind the word "can" to "will"

The verse is about divine potential


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