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Tyburn 07-31-2013 06:14 PM

UFC Hires Neo-Nazi Fighter...
 
:unsure: Soooo...you have to remember that the Continentals still have extremely strict rules regarding what you can and can not say about Germany regarding the second world war. The Germans no longer sing the first verse of their own national anthem for fears that it is two nationalistic (ironic when you consider that the Nazi Party had its own anthem it used anyway in place of the German National Anthem)

Its also important to try and mention the miss-conception that the Nazi party and Adolf Hitler had the same aims and objectives. There were some reasonable Nazi party people. Who whilst nationalistic in their politics, did not like, abide by, or follow Adolf Hitler. Most notible are those involved with the attempted assassinations throughout the war period. Whilst it is true that the harboured thoughts of a germanic empire...that doesnt make them any more evil then any other nation who has ever had an empire.

Regardless of those two points...there remain continental neo-nazi movements, one of which has spawned a fighter who now has a UFC contract. He comes from a training camp known as "La Familia" (The Family) which apparently is funded by, and run inconjunction with fighters from a far right perspective. Some are involved with an actual psedo-political brotherhood known as Scenario Lok, which is absolutely neo-nazi

The fighters name is Benjamin Brinsa.

3dlee 07-31-2013 10:00 PM

I find it quite silly when an individual or group uses any symbolism, jargon, or names affiliated with groups like the Nazi party or the KKK. Any swastikas, white robes and hoods, or mention of "national socialism" automatically remove any credibility of your beliefs in the eyes of most. These people are automatically pinned as racists and will likely never reach any amount of substantial power in any organized, civilized governments. I look at groups like these at the very best as wannabe-guerrillas, or more likely as just a gang. Why would people draw such negative attention to themselves and their causes by brandishing themselves with these labels? I consider myself to be a constitutionalist, a fiscal and social conservative, and a libertarian. I am also a registered Republican. But I have had people refer to me as a "neo-con". The neo automatically makes people think of neo-Nazi so it offends me.


Anyway, off of politics and on this guy. If he is truly still actively a member of a group that waves the flag of national socialism, or more specifically "neo-nazis", I hope he doesn't get an opportunity to fight on such a world stage. It will only bring negative heat to the sport as gangsters and racists fighting in a cage.

flo 08-01-2013 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3dlee (Post 201192)
I consider myself to be a constitutionalist, a fiscal and social conservative, and a libertarian. I am also a registered Republican. But I have had people refer to me as a "neo-con". The neo automatically makes people think of neo-Nazi so it offends me.

This is the first time I have heard that particular reaction to a neo-con. I am in total agreement with you 3dlee, both in your reaction to that label and how you brand yourself politically.

As for this fighter, I think it is a disgrace that the UFC signed him, if he is in fact affiliated with the neo-nazis.

I can't believe this little factoid passed by Dana, et al. So let me get this straight...a fighter under contract to the UFC can't make disparaging remarks about gays or a trans-gendered fighter but the UFC can hire a neo-Nazi?

Something is very, very wrong here.

flo 08-01-2013 01:08 AM

BTW, 3dlee, I think the left LOVES to tag us with "neo-con" because not only does the "neo" make people think of neo-nazis but the con has negative connotations as well - being against something or a prison convict.

The lefties do love their disparaging labels. Am I right, rwc? :ninja:

Tyburn 08-02-2013 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3dlee (Post 201192)
I find it quite silly when an individual or group uses any symbolism, jargon, or names affiliated with groups like the Nazi party or the KKK. Any swastikas, white robes and hoods, or mention of "national socialism" automatically remove any credibility of your beliefs in the eyes of most. These people are automatically pinned as racists and will likely never reach any amount of substantial power in any organized, civilized governments. I look at groups like these at the very best as wannabe-guerrillas, or more likely as just a gang. Why would people draw such negative attention to themselves and their causes by brandishing themselves with these labels? I consider myself to be a constitutionalist, a fiscal and social conservative, and a libertarian. I am also a registered Republican. But I have had people refer to me as a "neo-con". The neo automatically makes people think of neo-Nazi so it offends me.


Anyway, off of politics and on this guy. If he is truly still actively a member of a group that waves the flag of national socialism, or more specifically "neo-nazis", I hope he doesn't get an opportunity to fight on such a world stage. It will only bring negative heat to the sport as gangsters and racists fighting in a cage.

I think its a strange one...I mean, in one way, one could argue...what has your political belief got to do with the UFC? If you think about the fact that the UFC has employed in its time convicted armed drug dealers (and that just the British :laugh: Some of those infact who have in the past been very close to Michael Bisping, who, Ironically, I have always refered to as a Hooligan, Brinsa uses that as his nickname. The UFC have also employed people of the far left, be that the anarchist Jeff Monson...or the fact they tried to get their hands all over Fedor, who is not just a card carrying member of Russian communism, but actually holds political office under Vladamir Putin, who once presented an MMA Award to him....

So...What is wrong with adding a Fascist to the mix, considering you have next to everything else.

Benjamin Brinsa denies that he is a neo-nazi. Now, its funny, because where he lives there are two different fight camps. He is the only one from his particular camp to take MMA seriously, in terms, of for example, going and training with other well known MMA camps. Yet he does NOT belong to the obvious safe camp. He, personally, may not be a fascist, but he DOES hang around with those people who are.

Look up one of his fights on youtube and watch what happens when he wins. Watch the fanatism of those that surround him, the very strange chanting about Scenario Lok. Regardless of whether HE is a nazi, I have no doubt on my level of research which ive conducted in the last two days, that there are definately some in his camp who absolutely are. Though, I think its also right to mention...that they may not consider themselves Neo-Nazi....but they would be classed as German Nationalists, which in the eyes of anyone else, is the same, whether they speak about Hitler, or carry badges or not.

When I was studying at Univeristy, I had to do research into the Federal Government during the Iraq War...and all of those senior members of the American cabinet were written and identified in print as being Neo-Conservatives.

I think, as with Scenario Lok...the problem is not Conservatism....but when a group of conservatives band together and call themselves something. Prior to taking office, those people did not specifically refer to themselves as Republicans...they called themselves "The New America for The Twenty-first century" Do you see the difference. By calling themselves something else, they distinguish themselves as something further Right then Republicanism.

I have not seen any "Neo-Conservatives" on this website. Constitutionalists, Republicans....but I have yet to see anyone take Republicanism to a Supremacy...and thats when one crosses the line between Conservative, and Neo-Conservative....I personally dont know about Brinsa yet, I do know that any German would deny allegations, because its a criminal offense in Germany.

Can one blame Brinsa, just because he has some fascist friends? Does that automatically make him a fascist aswell?? There are British people on Facebook who have deleted me and will no longer speak to me at work because they feel my views are too nationalistic, particularly regarding crime and punishment. They worry that if they are friends with me, people may think they hold the same views. I hasten to add, I am NOT a member of the British National Party, Nor the English Defense League, and in absolutely honnesty, I know of noone by name who is.

Its funny isnt it...I guess we will find out...because IF he is nationalistic, he WILL speak about it when given the opportunity. So be careful to watch his post fight comments, and interviews...It will be interesting to see if he can speak English...I havent seen anything that makes me think he can speak anything other then German...apart from the fact, some of his safer connections, they are English speaking Germans...soooo who knows.

County Mike 08-02-2013 06:32 PM

How could they disallow him when they allow "Brown Pride"? You can't pick and choose your racists.

flo 08-02-2013 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by County Mike (Post 201206)
How could they disallow him when they allow "Brown Pride"? You can't pick and choose your racists.

:laugh:

True dat, Mike.

Spot on.

Tyburn 08-02-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by County Mike (Post 201206)
How could they disallow him when they allow "Brown Pride"? You can't pick and choose your racists.

well I DO know that Brinsa cant really be a racist...because out of all the people that seem to come from this camp, he appears to be the only one, who travels to train else where...and judging on the names of others involved I dont really see how he can be dreadfully racist when he actively chooses to travel abroad and train with other Europeans...But what is interesting is, he seems to be the only one...the other fight camp in the same city provides all the other germanic fighters from that area.

my personal opinion is that whilst Brinsa may well have some really iffy friends, I dont think, he, as in, personally he, has much to do with any of the political or ideological beliefs associated with fascists...or else his name would keep comming up in other places.

You know I'm still conducting some research...but it seems quite vague as to what exactly this Scenario Lok is, and how it differs or doesnt from La Familia....I'm begining to think he might be quite a harmless, possibly right of centrist, german, who just happens to have friends which may be more extreme.

The more I read up and research about him, the more I like him :laugh:

Tyburn 09-12-2013 08:42 PM

The UFC have unceremoniously dumped Benjamin Brinsa so it would seem.

Dana White said he was investigating the claims and if found true he would be cut. Now the UFC havent directly come and called him a Nazi...but they have cut him...which presumably by default mean they think he is.

I did my own investigation. I certainly believe that he associates with Nazi people, but I personally dont believe he, himself, is one. His base camp would seem to have ties with people...but in his defence, you look at all the people at the camp, he is the only one who seems to participate in tournements and MMA outside germany, and outside his immediate ethnic background, he's the only guy who appears to travel and train at other gyms as well.

The issue for the UFC is understandable. If they buy Brinsa...they also buy his friends and support network, who are likely to turn up to any fights he partakes in. this is such a sensative issue on the continent, that even being seen with, or associated with, those types of people will push people to give you a wide birth.

So I believe he is a sound individual, but one who has dodgy friends.

I have to say though, that it does raise an interesting premise. The UFC are obviously discriminating on political bias. Now whilst you may think thats fine to do so against a far right racist...let us not forget, that there are far right individuals already in the UFC...and let us not also forget the UFC clamoured to get a hold of a Russian now in the Communist Government.

At some point, I think the UFC will have to allow these radicals entry, and simply bar them from mentioning anything political...because it does kinda beg the question...what does it matter who believes what, in an organisation that promotes hand to hand combat...?

3dlee 09-12-2013 10:40 PM

Maybe a little off topic, but after rechecking this page I went and googled the prefix "Neo" because I simply didn't know a definition for it. Apparently Neo is just a prefix coming from the Greek word neos meaning young. It's probably used more in the context of new rather than young. Now by definition, I may change my stance on the term "neoconservative". Because it has such negative connotations attached to it, I will not label myself as such. But by definition do I feel like I would fall under the banner of new conservative? Why yes I do. I feel like I do side with the new conservative movements of the libertarians and the tea party. I think instead of the actual definition of the prefix, because of the term neo-Nazis, people see Neo and instead of new or young, they think extreme. That's a shame. Now that I understand what it means, I don't take such issue with it but I can't use it because people will think I'm a fascist, extremist, and a racist and Im certainly none of the 3.


Back on topic; too bad for this guy if he really wasn't aligned with horrible people. But with the UFC being on FOX and having so much main stream success, they can't afford the negative publicity which would hurt that momentum in becoming a "legitimate" sport. If he really is just a decent human being guilty by association, he's just a career casualty of the machine.


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