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Tyburn 04-08-2013 06:39 PM

Maggie Thatcher has died :'(
Margaret Thatcher rulled as Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1979 to 1990, Her party continued to rule from 1990 to 1997 but under a different leader after she was politically ousted from power by her own cabinet.

It took Maggie several defeats before she became a Minister of Parliament, primarily because she was Female, and her political attempts were only just after the second world war. When she finally got a seat in the House of Commons as a conservative, she took experience in three areas, first, housing, which would be important because later when she had real power she was all for people doing anything they could to become home owners, even if it meant that after a long time of paying councils rent for occupying a council house, they could eventually buy them. Something which was ace all the way through the fourty year sinse....until now, when we are running out of council houses, since everyone living in them, has eventually bought them :laugh:

She also had experience with Work and Pensions, which is probably where her great distaste of the Trade Unions sprang from, and whilst she completely and utterly obliterated them during the 1980s, they rose back in some sectors. It wasnt a case of fairness for employers that she had a problem with, so her aim wasnt truely de-unionization...her aim was too stop them having such sway and control that they could effectively challenge her ideals with strikes, and be funders financially speaking to the more liberal and socialistic parties.

Finally, she had experience in the Treasury, which may have been where her alarm bells rang concerning Europe which was one of the last things her Reign dealt Europe moved from an exchange rate mechanism for trade on Continental Europe...towards a political and financial union which would see the rise of "Europe" as a Federal Union....something which its on the verge of today.

She was quite the conservative on most issues, including Capital Punishment, with the exception of support for homosexuality and the legal right of abortion.

She became a cabinet minister for Education just before the Conservatives lost the General Ellection. She saw the leader of the Conservatives as being weak, and she challenged him for the leadership which she won. This made her head of the Opposition, and when the next General Ellection came round, Her party won, making her the first and only female Prime Minister.

People remain divided on her rule because it offended as many as it pleased. If you were part of the coal industry, then you would hate her, because she basically distroyed your coal mines, your industry, and the communities that live around them. If you are anti nationalization, then you love her, because she began to put all kinds of sectors of the community back into the hands of the people to run and manage. If you were effected by her extra taxes then again you might hate her, but if you believe in British Soverignty over the Faulkland Islands, and the ability to go all the way to defend it from Argentinian invasions, you would like her.

Finally...if you are a socialist, or someone who puts a federal Europe ahead of the National Parliament...then you would be in for some serious words. Words she started spewing towards the Russians before she came to power, and all through the Cold War. It was the Russians who called her "The Iron Lady" because of her uncompromising politics. She was also worried about Europe and the danger that what was presented would quickly morph to become ! a back door to a Federal Europe" Something which History has taught us all that she was correct about....But she was far too concerned with that, then the discontent within her party, which eventually saw her closest allies resign, and following that she was challenged for the leadership and rather then face a vote of no confidence, she eventually resigned.

She moved to the House of Lords, and began a slow demise into dementia, which left her frail and vulnerable to reoccuring strokes. one of which killed her last night.

Technically speaking, due to all she has done, Maggie was probably well within her rights to have a state funeral. But its come to light that she expressed in her will that she didnt want one. So she is going to have a Service with Military Honours instead at Saint Paul's Cathedral, London

Here are some Brilliant Maggie clips :)

Part One

"I hope you wont mind Mr President, my recalling, the George Washington was a British Subject, until well after his Fourtieth Birthday" :laugh:

Part Two
"The trouble with Labour is, they want the benefit of repentance, without renouncing the original sin" :laugh:

rearnakedchoke 04-08-2013 08:07 PM


Bonnie 04-09-2013 06:11 AM

From what I've heard today, she saved England. Now look what's happening in Europe, and now, with us! I don't think she would have found Obama's thinking to her liking. A couple of quotes from the Lady:


"I came to office with one deliberate intent: to change Britain from a dependent to a self-reliant society from a give-it-to-me, to a do-it-yourself nation. A get-up-and-go, instead of a sit-back-and-wait-for-it Britain." Speech, Feb. 8, 1984

How true this next one!


"Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them." Speech, Feb. 5, 1976

flo 04-09-2013 06:18 AM

A great woman has passed. We will not see another like her in a long time, if ever. I had a huge amount of respect and admiration for her.

God rest her soul. My prayers are with her family.

Bonnie 04-09-2013 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by flo (Post 199387)
A great woman has passed. We will not see another like her in a long time, if ever. I had a huge amount of respect and admiration for her.

God rest her soul. My prayers are with her family.

I heard someone say something yesterday, "She was a leader, not a politician."

Tyburn 04-09-2013 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Bonnie (Post 199385)
From what I've heard today, she saved England. Now look what's happening in Europe, and now, with us! I don't think she would have found Obama's thinking to her liking. A couple of quotes from the Lady:

How true this next one!

She was the most Right Wing leader that this Nation has Ever Had, and second in Greatness only to Sir Winston Churchill. She was thought of as radical, even for a Conservative, and was far more in line with the American Republican Party then the British Tory party because she was on the Right side of her Party. You might like to know that she was also a Christian who was Pro-Israel, she founded several Institutions for Israel in England during her political career.

People think that she was against workers rights because of what she did to the Coal Miners and their Trade Unions. But the truth couldnt be further from that. She, rightly, believed in the democratic notion that the Government is ellected to lead, and she saw the power of the Trade Unions as a direct threat to Her, and therefore a direct undermining of the democratic process...what she STOPPED the Trade Unions EXACTLY what the Ultimate Fighting Championships CANT do with getting Mixed Martial Arts legalized in New York State. Its not about the right for workers to be treated correctly, its how dare an unellected body move to block a political process in protest!

So she took on the miners, and she quite litterally distroyed them all, their communities, their unions. She would not be blackmailed by a group of workers who had become to big for their boots. They put their full force behind their efforts, make no mistake. They went on Strike, and the power in this country went off. Electricity was rationed during the winters of discontent. But...she wouldnt give up...and noone can strike forever.

To blame Maggie Thatcher for what happened to that Industry, would be to Blame the Roman Republic for the outcome and loss of life during the Serville Wars! Like I say...Maggie didnt want to misstreat people (like it could be argued the Romans did) but in the same guise, the Trade Unions had about as little right as the Slaves during the revolt. That is what she saw it as. A revolt....and thats what a lot of people who hate her, dont understand...she saw the issue, as a Rebellion, and naturally moved to crush it...she was the legitmate power, and they were beyond their reason.

The only issue that I take against one that almost noone has mentioned. Maggie, believed, a little too much, JUST LIKE THE AMERICANS, that the Government does NOT carry responsibility for private companies, and that as much as possible should be privatized. Whilst I aggree in principle with privatization...I, unlike the Americans, and Unlike Maggie, STRONGLY believe in ACCOUNTABILITY. She removed much of the scrutiny surrounding the Financial Sector inside London....and less then twenty years later...we see what happens when No Government is watching the Financial System within the economy they all depend upon. I believe in Freedom, but I DO NOT believe in the absence of Law, when its regarding private companies which have a huge public impact. She isnt responsible for the greed of the bankers, anymore then the American Government is...BUT...Had both forced the private banks to account...then it COULD be argued, none of this financial crash would ever have happened.

But the Americans refuse to do that, even when the banks collapsed, the Federal Government was very hesitant to assert any authority...and in England...the Conservatives were swept from power in 1997...and the Labour party under the Blairites, couldnt care less about anything but borrowing money and spending it. Running up credit that came back to bite them on the arse :laugh:

Maggie will have as full a Funeral as Princess Diana...She will have a State Funeral...without the lying in State....See in England, the Ceremony with Military Honours, is the same as a State Funeral...EXCEPT, that the Body of the dead, is not put on show for a week before the funneral in a public place :laugh: Royalty, tend to have the ceremony at Westminister Abbey...and Commoners or Nobility, tend to have the ceremony at Saint Paul's will be the case with Thatcher.

She will travel on a gun carriage through London until she reaches the Peoples Cathedral. :)

BTW...I think what people loved about Maggie was not just what she said but how she said it...she was VERY funny...even in her forced resignation appearence

NateR 04-09-2013 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by flo (Post 199387)
A great woman has passed. We will not see another like her in a long time, if ever. I had a huge amount of respect and admiration for her.

God rest her soul. My prayers are with her family.

Agreed. All of the great champions against the evils of socialism are dying out. Now, we're left with politicians who are more concerned with public opinion polls than doing what is right.

RIP Margaret Thatcher. :(

Tyburn 04-10-2013 08:39 PM

Despite being in the Easter Holiday, Parliament met to pay tribute to Maggie..although some of the ministers representing the realms, couldnt come because they live so far away...hence the gap on the opposition side of the commons :laugh:

Tyburn 04-13-2013 03:22 PM

Maggie will have a Funeral on Wednessday, it will be broadcast to the Nation on TV. It is a Funeral With Military otherwords, a State Funeral, minus a week of lying in an open casket for the whole world to see, and visit you.

Firstly, Maggie said in her Will that she does not want to be lying in State. Secondly, the problem with that is that as many people hated her, as loved her...and no doubt they would join the ques to visit her, and may cause a scene, or even desicrate where she's lying in State...the proof of this comes as the Anti-Thatcherites this week have called on people, and its been quite successful, to purchase a particular song from The Wizard of Oz, to "Celebrate" her passing. Its called "ding, dong, the Witch is dead" and if it makes Number One in the record Charts, its going to be played over and over this next week...which is very distasteful, however much you might dislike her.

Secondly, there is a very good reason for the Military lining the route of the procession, which will run from The Palace of Westminster, down White Hall, Through Trafalgar Square, around Aldwych, down the Strand, and pass from Westminster to Londons Square Mile by Blackfriars Bridge, before going up Ludgate Hill and into Saint Paul's Cathedral. This is because there are already mass swaithes of the political left, that plan to stage anti-thatcherite protests and rallies....some are threatening disorder to the courtege aswell...

The Funeral is likely to look something like below...EXCEPT...that its taking place in Saint Paul's and NOT the Abbey...but the service, main structure, and literny and liturgy is likely to be the same

Tyburn 04-13-2013 04:09 PM

The Right Honourable, Right Reverend, Doctor Richard Chartres, Lord Bishop of London shall be giving the Surmon I've just learned. Interesting...because I dont think he got on very well with Maggie :laugh: Mindue, He is very good friends with The Royals...and I'm not sure that they always got on very well with her either.

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