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Max
06-10-2012, 05:09 AM
Pac-man lost......there goes the biggest fight in Boxing history

J.B.
06-10-2012, 05:35 AM
I wouldn't say that for sure, there is still a good possibility that the fight happens. Crazier things have happened in Boxing. If Floyd and Manny said tomorrow that they were going to fight in November, it would still probably be the biggest draw the sport has ever seen. Maybe this is just what needed to happen for the fight to get made considering Floyd clearly holds all the cards at this point. If Pacquiao fights again, who is he going to fight if he doesn't accept Floyd's offer when he gets out of jail in July or August? Floyd's not dumb either, he knows that Pacquiao losing means he can take over the negotiations and make even more money. If Pacquiao says no, then so what. Floyd will fight another tune-up and then fight Bradley in 2013. Either way, Floyd probably just made another 75-100 million dollars while sitting in jail. :laugh:

Max
06-10-2012, 05:40 AM
I wouldn't say that for sure, there is still a good possibility that the fight happens. Crazier things have happened in Boxing. If Floyd and Manny said tomorrow that they were going to fight in November, it would still probably be the biggest draw the sport has ever seen. Maybe this is just what needed to happen for the fight to get made considering Floyd clearly holds all the cards at this point. If Pacquiao fights again, who is he going to fight if he doesn't accept Floyd's offer when he gets out of jail in July or August? Floyd's not dumb either, he knows that Pacquiao losing means he can take over the negotiations and make even more money. If Pacquiao says no, then so what. Floyd will fight another tune-up and then fight Bradley in 2013. Either way, Floyd probably just made another 75-100 million dollars while sitting in jail. :laugh:

Its still a big fight but Mayweather v Pacquiao on a 1 fight win streak (Im not even sure if one win is considered a streak) is a lot less exciting than Mayweather v Pacquiao on a 16 fight win streak (I think thats what it would have been had Pac-Man won).

J.B.
06-10-2012, 06:04 AM
Its still a big fight but Mayweather v Pacquiao on a 1 fight win streak (Im not even sure if one win is considered a streak) is a lot less exciting than Mayweather v Pacquiao on a 16 fight win streak (I think thats what it would have been had Pac-Man won).

LOL!

Mayweather is on a 43 fight win streak, with a big fat doughnut in the loss column...:laugh:

The butt-hurt is already flooding the web over the decision. A lot of fans have short memories when it comes to close fights and "robberies" when their "guy" lost. Pacquiao robbed Marquez, some say all 3 times. It is what it is.

JavierDLC
06-10-2012, 06:44 AM
LOL!

Mayweather is on a 43 fight win streak, with a big fat doughnut in the loss column...:laugh:

The butt-hurt is already flooding the web over the decision. A lot of fans have short memories when it comes to close fights and "robberies" when their "guy" lost. Pacquiao robbed Marquez, some say all 3 times. It is what it is.

I agree JB Marquez is 2-1 against Pacquiao!

J.B.
06-10-2012, 06:54 AM
I agree JB Marquez is 2-1 against Pacquiao!

What was your take on Pac/Bradley?

rockdawg21
06-10-2012, 07:02 AM
This is just insane. At least all 3 fights with Marquez were close and could have went either way. This one, Pac was clearly controlling the fight. I had 117-111, same as Iole, and that was just being nice to Bradley for round 1 and 12.

JB, I know you say stats don't tell the whole story, but...

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/s720x720/545849_10150889740240888_112441231_n.jpg

rockdawg21
06-10-2012, 07:04 AM
Even Roger Mayweather said the decision was BS and he's the biggest Pac hater on the planet!

Here's the link to the image, I'm not going to embed it due to Roger's choice of words! :laugh:

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/253217_3848305922611_1925184262_n.jpg

J.B.
06-10-2012, 07:21 AM
I saw that pic Manny just posted on FB, and I get it. It's very easy to argue that Manny beat Bradley. It's just funny considering the 3 fights with JMM. This is a problem with judging, and it's been that way forever. :ninja:

J.B.
06-10-2012, 07:22 AM
Even Roger Mayweather said the decision was BS and he's the biggest Pac hater on the planet!

Here's the link to the image, I'm not going to embed it due to Roger's choice of words! :laugh:

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/253217_3848305922611_1925184262_n.jpg

You know stuff is crazy when Pac-fans are calling Roger credible....:laugh:

rockdawg21
06-10-2012, 07:26 AM
I saw that pic Manny just posted on FB, and I get it. It's very easy to argue that Manny beat Bradley. It's just funny considering the 3 fights with JMM. This is a problem with judging, and it's been that way forever. :ninja:
Yeah, but the difference is that those were close fights. This one was only competitive in the 1st round, after that, Pac ran away with it.

ESPN just quoted Bob Arum:

"Unbelievable," Bob Arum said. "I went over to Bradley before the decision and he said, 'I tried hard but couldnt beat the guy."

You know stuff is crazy when Pac-fans are calling Roger credible....:laugh:
Haha, crazy for us and crazy when he's saying Pac was robbed too!

rockdawg21
06-10-2012, 07:28 AM
Just for fun, I made this :)

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/582425_3848364604078_434387509_n.jpg

JavierDLC
06-10-2012, 07:38 AM
You know stuff is crazy when Pac-fans are calling Roger credible....:laugh:

LoL the End of Days!


You know me JB and I'm One of the Biggest Floyd fans in the world but I honestly think Pacman did enough to win. I mean if you compare this fight to the robberies against Marquez it's crazy!

Im almost 110% sure this BS fight was planned for a lucrative rematch and a very good way of dodging Floyd!

rockdawg21
06-10-2012, 07:41 AM
LoL the End of Days!


You know me JB and I'm One of the Biggest Floyd fans in the world but I honestly think Pacman did enough to win. I mean if you compare this fight to the robberies against Marquez it's crazy!

Im almost 110% sure this BS fight was planned for a lucrative rematch and a very good way of dodging Floyd!
You can be sure Bob Arum paid the judges for 3 reasons:

1 - Rematch/trilogy means more $$$$$
2 - Pac will retire soon and Arum can use Pac's name to build up Bradley to make more money.
3 - Arum can avoid dealing with Mayweather.

Examiner.com's Brad Cooney even took it a step further to say that after Pac beats Bradley twice, then the fight with Mayweather will be ready for both guys and they can make a killing. Possibly so I guess.

J.B.
06-10-2012, 08:38 AM
I am not saying this is just like the JMM fights. It's much more hilarious than that. I'm also not sold that this was Arum playing "Avoid-the-Floyd". :laugh:

It's an issue with how fights are judged/regulated. This is what we have seen forever, and we see it in all major sports, especially in Boxing and MMA.

rockdawg21
06-10-2012, 04:37 PM
Well, Mayweather is right that random blood and urine testing is needed in boxing.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/428423_3849626315620_1716514004_n.jpg

rockdawg21
06-10-2012, 05:00 PM
Pacquiao interviewed with Marquez regarding the fight. At 5:27, Pac asked Marquez who he felt won the fight and Marquez said he felt Pac won by 4 points.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmrKtaM36L4

rockdawg21
06-10-2012, 07:07 PM
My letter to the NSAC and Keith Kizer:

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/527173_3850061086489_888438612_n.jpg

J.B.
06-10-2012, 08:01 PM
I'm sure Skip Bayless is gonna pop a blood vessel in his forehead tomorrow on ESPN, but it was a closer fight than a lot of people are giving Bradley credit for. Was it close enough for me to say I thought Bradley ACTUALLY won? No, not in my opinion, but that's not the point. We can't have it both ways. Either the fight was fixed, or the judges made a mistake.

Could this be a setup by Top Rank? Absolutely, and I wouldn't be surprised one bit. I've been putting Arum on blast for years. However, that's pretty risky business because these kind of decisions hurt the image of Boxing (and MMA as well) to a lot of people. Who's to say anybody cares to spend $55 on the rematch after believing the last fight was fixed? Anything is possible with Arum, but I have doubts in regards to a fix.

As always on Sundays after a big/controversial fight like this, I am going to watch the replay a couple times later today and see if I notice anything I missed the night before.

J.B.
06-10-2012, 08:05 PM
My letter to the NSAC and Keith Kizer:

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/527173_3850061086489_888438612_n.jpg

Let it out...it's okay...:laugh:

J.B.
06-11-2012, 01:22 AM
Here is the official scorecard.
http://sicounterpunch.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/scorecard-641.jpg

I never bother trying to score a fight on Saturday nights when I'm watching around a bunch of people (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drunk). There is usually too many distractions (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocGMvLS3NsE) for me to give it my undivided attention. I really felt like Manny won the fight after watching last night, but when I sat down and scored it round by round today I had a slightly different impression.

I can see a few different scenarios where this fight gets called for either Pacquiao or Bradley. When comparing it to the official scorecards, mine looked like this after watching the replay....
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Pacquiao: 9 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 10 | 9 | 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 114
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Bradley: 10 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 9 | 10 | 9 |10|10| 10 | 10 | 114
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Round 1, I gave to Bradley, along with judge Duane Ford.

Round 2, I scored for Pacquiao. The only judge to score round 2 for Bradley was Jerry Roth, who was also the only judge who scored the fight in favor of Pacquiao.

Rounds 3 - 6, all Manny Pacquiao in my opinion. However, Round 5 was scored for Bradley by CJ Ross and Duane Ford but I scored it for Pacquiao.

Round 7, all three judges and I scored it for Bradley.

Round 8, I scored for Pacquiao along with judge Roth.

Round 9, I ultimately scored for Bradley but it was a very close round. Only judge Ford scored it for Bradley.

Rounds 10 - 12, I scored for Bradley. Judge Ford scored round 11 for Pacquiao.

My final score: 114-114, Draw.
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Overall, it was a pretty decent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meh) fight that will always be smeared (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep) with controversy, but what else is new in Boxing?

Pacquiao was never really hurt, but he did get pressed (http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/9/9d/Iron.JPG) off and on throughout the fight, and at times almost bullied on the inside in a Hopkins/Holyfield head first style. Pac blasted Bradley with some great shots in every round, and while judges don't give out 10-10 rounds, I think there were some pretty close rounds throughout this fight.

I'm not saying we should all take off our tin-foil hats (http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&client=firefox-a&sa=N&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&biw=793&bih=396&tbm=isch&tbnid=v8KO14daSTj-dM:&imgrefurl=http://www.zazzle.com/village_idiot_smiley_face_sticker-217514391753873205&docid=8pxlyY_UfS5krM&imgurl=http://rlv.zcache.com/village_idiot_smiley_face_sticker-p217514391753873205envb3_400.jpg&w=400&h=400&ei=sUnVT_zBNcKK2gWzvdGhDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=89&vpy=48&dur=2888&hovh=225&hovw=225&tx=105&ty=103&sig=111410093981707080950&page=7&tbnh=113&tbnw=122&start=78&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:78,i:346) just yet, but I do think the fight was closer than a lot of people are making it out to be. I scored it a draw, but I would still lean towards Pac as the winner of the fight. So, if the fix (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOL) was in and Arum wants to milk a rematch this fall, that's fine. Pac can KO Bradley in a rematch like he said he will (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lie), then fight Floyd in 2013 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lose). Or, maybe Arum did rig the fight and he will be outed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closet_gay) by one of his buddies (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/Don_king.jpg/220px-Don_king.jpg)? :ninja:

Buc Nasty
06-11-2012, 11:29 AM
Boxing is a farce anyway. The amount of BS decision I've seen since I was a kid is scandalous.

Llamafighter
06-11-2012, 01:35 PM
"Avoid-the-Floyd"..

LOL :laugh::laugh:

rearnakedchoke
06-11-2012, 02:11 PM
i think pac won the fight ... i don't think it matters though .. as we were never gonna see floyd/pac anyway ...

J.B.
06-11-2012, 02:21 PM
Boxing is a farce anyway. The amount of BS decision I've seen since I was a kid is scandalous.

MMA has a lot of BS decisions too. Officials make mistakes in all sports.

The problem with judging in Boxing/MMA has always been the subjectivity. Judges have to record a score after each round and they don't have the benefit of being able to go back and watch replays like us keyboard warriors. Same thing goes for the "compubox" stats. That is just two guys pushing buttons as the fight is happening in real time and it's not a perfect science.

One thing I've noticed in a lot of discussions is that while the overwhelming majority of people obviously scored the fight for Pacquiao, the rounds that people gave to Bradley were all over the board. I think that is telling of the fact that the fight was closer than some think.

Still, I do agree that all of this controversy sucks for the sport, but that's how it goes sometimes. It's not the first time it's happened, and it won't be the last.

J.B.
06-11-2012, 02:36 PM
Just for fun, I made this :)

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/582425_3848364604078_434387509_n.jpg

The Paul Pierce jokes people are making about Bradley in the wheelchair are the best. :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysT8RA6JQks

Buc Nasty
06-11-2012, 02:53 PM
MMA has a lot of BS decisions too. Officials make mistakes in all sports.

The problem with judging in Boxing/MMA has always been the subjectivity. Judges have to record a score after each round and they don't have the benefit of being able to go back and watch replays like us keyboard warriors. Same thing goes for the "compubox" stats. That is just two guys pushing buttons as the fight is happening in real time and it's not a perfect science.

One thing I've noticed in a lot of discussions is that while the overwhelming majority of people obviously scored the fight for Pacquiao, the rounds that people gave to Bradley were all over the board. I think that is telling of the fact that the fight was closer than some think.

Still, I do agree that all of this controversy sucks for the sport, but that's how it goes sometimes. It's not the first time it's happened, and it won't be the last.

I agree to a certain extent, but the one's that happen in Boxing are not just due to how a couple of people viewed the fight, there is blatant cheating involved. Peterson/Khan springs to mind. Deducting points for pushing? That has never happened before and will never happen again.

Bella79
06-11-2012, 03:30 PM
I'm glad he lost.. Same thing happened when Marquez beat him, but yet he got the win? No one cared then. So now it's my turn to smile.. :)

J.B.
06-11-2012, 03:43 PM
I agree to a certain extent, but the one's that happen in Boxing are not just due to how a couple of people viewed the fight, there is blatant cheating involved. Peterson/Khan springs to mind. Deducting points for pushing? That has never happened before and will never happen again.

That argument can be made in MMA too. MMA has had it's fair share of controversial decisions and general shadiness both internally and on the side of the commissions over the years.

As for Khan/Peterson, the WBA did their investigation into the scoring fiasco and ordered the rematch, which was the right thing to do. However, they just canceled the rematch because Peterson tested positive for synthetic testosterone, something the MMA world is very familiar with in recent years.

Buc Nasty
06-11-2012, 03:55 PM
I'm not saying it doesn't happen in MMA but its nowhere near the same level of shadiness.

Anyway would love to chat but the England game is about to start, laters!

J.B.
06-11-2012, 03:56 PM
I'm glad he lost.. Same thing happened when Marquez beat him, but yet he got the win? No one cared then. So now it's my turn to smile.. :)

You know Marquez is laughing his butt off right now.

J.B.
06-11-2012, 04:10 PM
I'm not saying it doesn't happen in MMA but its nowhere near the same level of shadiness.

Anyway would love to chat but the England game is about to start, laters!

Shadiness comes in a lot of different forms from the promoters, to the commissions, and to the fighters themselves. No doubt boxing has had a lot of crazy stuff happen over the years, but it's also been around for a very long time. MMA may be leading the way for a new generation of fans, but it's still prizefighting and it will always be likened to boxing in that respect.

Enjoy the game! :)

J.B.
06-11-2012, 04:24 PM
http://www.examiner.com/article/bradley-gave-pacquiao-a-boxing-lesson-judge-defends-scoring-bradley-win

'Bradley gave Pacquiao a boxing lesson' - Judge defends scoring Bradley win
by Dennis "D Source" Guillermo

Las Vegas, NV - Duane Ford, one of two judges who scored the bout 115-113 for Timothy Bradley over Manny Pacquiao Saturday night, defended his scorecard in speaking with Steve Carp of the Las Vegas Review-Journal.

"I thought Bradley gave Pacquiao a boxing lesson,� said the 74-year-old boxing judge based in Las Vegas.

�This isn�t American Idol. If I judge for the people, I shouldn�t be a judge. I went in with a clear mind and judged each round,� Ford added in dismissing the massive backlash from the general public regarding Pacquiao's surprising loss.

Compubox statistics showed that Pacquiao landed 96 more punches, despite throwing less, connecting on more power punches and jabs at a more efficient rate. Unfortunately for Pacquiao, Ford does not care for such stats, nor were they available for the senior boxing judge while scoring the fight.

�I don�t look at the punch stats but I saw Manny miss a lot of punches and Bradley hit Manny and win a lot of the exchanges,� insisted Ford.

- dSG -

** Legal waiver - By quoting, copying and using material from this article to your website, publication or blog, you agree to give full credit to Dennis 'dSource' Guillermo and Examiner.com, provide a link / hyperlink to the original article. **

This seems to be sitting well with the masses...:laugh:

JavierDLC
06-11-2012, 04:56 PM
What I find the most hilarious about this whole Fiasco is that Arum is pretending to be insulted by the commission :laugh:

And acting like a little boy who just got screamed at by his parents and is now sitting down with his arms crossed saying Im not gonna allow a rematch to happen until they do an investigation :laugh:

Almost as if he hadn't payed anyone off and he was actually surprised by the decision... Its kind of hard to believe him when weeks before the actually fight happened they where already talking about a rematch in November 10th if Bradley where to win :rolleyes:

All this IMO is Arum building up what he thinks will be hes next priced fighter after Pacman hangs them up... and with this whole religion thing he has going on now It might happen sooner than his fans expected.

Its always funny to me how far someone who already ruined there relationship is willing to go just to absolve himself from all the wrong doing SMH

http://i662.photobucket.com/albums/uu345/ripperowens666/wha.jpg

Bella79
06-11-2012, 05:25 PM
You know Marquez is laughing his butt off right now.

What I don't get is how many people are so outraged that Bradley didn't hand the belt to Pacman? I sure the hell don't remember Pacquiao doing the same to Marquez so what gives?
I find it entertaining.

J.B.
06-11-2012, 05:31 PM
Arum is just blowing smoke to try and quiet the people who are saying he fixed the fight. Even if he gets his way and the commission does an investigation it's unlikely that anything would come of it. He will just take the rematch to Texas or somewhere else.

As for Arum talking about the rematch in November before the fight happened, it sounds worse than it really is. It was already in the contract that Manny would get a rematch if he lost, which is normal. I'm not putting anything past Arum, but I'm also not sold on the idea that the fix was in. I know Top Rank invested a decent amount of money into Bradley, but I'm not sure that Bradley will be the guy to lead them to the promise land after Manny retires. Guess we will see...:laugh:

J.B.
06-11-2012, 05:45 PM
What I don't get is how many people are so outraged that Bradley didn't hand the belt to Pacman? I sure the hell don't remember Pacquiao doing the same to Marquez so what gives?
I find it entertaining.

It's just a case of immense butt-hurt, and it is somewhat amusing. I believe it was Oscar who started that fire when he said Bradley should have given him the belt on twitter. :laugh:

rockdawg21
06-11-2012, 05:49 PM
Official CompuBox scorecard. After reviewing the fight, no sound, I scored it the same as I did last time (actually matching Kevin Iole). I gave rounds 1, 9, and 12 to Bradley, so 117-111 for Pac.

Here is the round-by-round stats:

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/6444/pacquiabradleycompubox.png

J.B.
06-11-2012, 06:25 PM
Official CompuBox scorecard. After reviewing the fight, no sound, I scored it the same as I did last time (actually matching Kevin Iole). I gave rounds 1, 9, and 12 to Bradley, so 117-111 for Pac.


This speaks to my point that this fight was closer than people are admitting.

The rounds that people gave to Bradley are all over the board. The 1st and 7th rounds were questionable, but I scored them for Bradley. I could even see one of those rounds being 10-10 and Pacquiao winning 115-114, but I dont know how you gave the 10th or 11th round to Pacquiao.

rockdawg21
06-11-2012, 06:42 PM
This speaks to my point that this fight was closer than people are admitting.

The rounds that people gave to Bradley are all over the board. The 1st and 7th rounds were questionable, but I scored them for Bradley. I could even see one of those rounds being 10-10 and Pacquiao winning 115-114, but I dont know how you gave the 10th or 11th round to Pacquiao.
Doing what Floyd Mayweather does, making Bradley miss and countering effectively as indicated by the power shots landed. Pacquiao threw less, but landed the same in round 10 and more in round 11 than Bradley.

This was pretty much the story of the whole fight, Pac threw less, still landed more total, made Bradley miss and Pac landed his shots at much higher %age than Bradley. It was pretty clear without the stats.

Besides, isn't that how Mayweather wins? Making the other guy miss while throwing less, but landing more (effective) shots?

JavierDLC
06-11-2012, 06:49 PM
Im just happy Pacquiao lost and Marquez got the satisfaction of knowing he wooped him even better. It doesn't avenge his robbery losses but at least he gets a kick out of the whole situation.

I bet those 40 million Floyd offered him sound very good right now but the ship has sailed. At least he has the 25 he made in this fight.

Bella79
06-11-2012, 06:51 PM
It's just a case of immense butt-hurt, and it is somewhat amusing. I believe it was Oscar who started that fire when he said Bradley should have given him the belt on twitter. :laugh:

You know I can't stand Oscar. Blegh!!!! :angry:

JavierDLC
06-11-2012, 06:52 PM
Doing what Floyd Mayweather does, making Bradley miss and countering effectively as indicated by the power shots landed. Pacquiao threw less, but landed the same in round 10 and more in round 11 than Bradley.

This was pretty much the story of the whole fight, Pac threw less, still landed more total, made Bradley miss and Pac landed his shots at much higher %age than Bradley. It was pretty clear without the stats.

Besides, isn't that how Mayweather wins? Making the other guy miss while throwing less, but landing more (effective) shots?

Pacquiao is talented but Floyd is "God Gifted" In there lies the difference. :wink:

rockdawg21
06-11-2012, 06:52 PM
Im just happy Pacquiao lost and Marquez got the satisfaction of knowing he wooped him even better. It doesn't avenge his robbery losses but at least he gets a kick out of the whole situation.

I bet those 40 million Floyd offered him sound very good right now but the ship has sailed. At least he has the 25 he made in this fight.
I still don't see how anybody can call the Marquez fights "robberies". They were all very close fights that could have went either way.

Besides, Floyd won't make that type of money without Pacquiao either. Honestly, who is left for Floyd to make those big dollars?

I don't think it'll matter though, even Floyd Sr. and Roger all said Pac won that fight and since the public doesn't view it as a loss for Pacquiao, it isn't going to make a difference money-wise. They're correct, it's still the fight people want to see.

rockdawg21
06-11-2012, 06:53 PM
Pacquiao is talented but Floyd is "God Gifted" In there lies the difference. :wink:
And that has what to do with Pac losing the decision in this fight fighting the same way Floyd did for a few rounds? :laugh:

JavierDLC
06-11-2012, 06:55 PM
I still don't see how anybody can call the Marquez fights "robberies". They were all very close fights that could have went either way.

Besides, Floyd won't make that type of money without Pacquiao either. Honestly, who is left for Floyd to make those big dollars?

I don't think it'll matter though, even Floyd Sr. and Roger all said Pac won that fight and since the public doesn't view it as a loss for Pacquiao, it isn't going to make a difference money-wise. They're correct, it's still the fight people want to see.

Floyd makes more money that's fact.

Its also Fact that you and everyone else wont see it as a loss but Floyd will and he will demand even more of the Lion's share if in fact they ever fight.

JavierDLC
06-11-2012, 06:56 PM
And that has what to do with Pac losing the decision in this fight fighting the same way Floyd did for a few rounds? :laugh:

LoL I just think its cool when says that... :laugh:

And since you said Pac was fighting like Floyd yet he still lost I figured I trow it in there :)

rockdawg21
06-11-2012, 07:01 PM
Floyd makes more money that's fact.

Its also Fact that you and everyone else wont see it as a loss but Floyd will and he will demand even more of the Lion's share if in fact they ever fight.Yeah, he does. Arum is a crook. And yes, Floyd will use that as leverage, can't say I blame him there.

On that subject, Roger Mayweather tweeted an old interview of Floyd last night where he basically warns Pac about Arum. He talks about Cotto possibly leaving so Arum setting him up to lose (he did have him fight Pacquiao shortly thereafter, but that wasn't a "set up"). You guys might enjoy this.

http://www.worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video640.php?v=wshhRJ9U174FP68evnp2&set_size=1

LoL I just think its cool when says that... :laugh:

And since you said Pac was fighting like Floyd those yet he still lost I figured I trow it in there :)LOL, well if it makes you feel better :wink:

J.B.
06-11-2012, 07:15 PM
Doing what Floyd Mayweather does, making Bradley miss and countering effectively as indicated by the power shots landed. Pacquiao threw less, but landed the same in round 10 and more in round 11 than Bradley.

This was pretty much the story of the whole fight, Pac threw less, still landed more total, made Bradley miss and Pac landed his shots at much higher %age than Bradley. It was pretty clear without the stats.

Besides, isn't that how Mayweather wins? Making the other guy miss while throwing less, but landing more (effective) shots?

Compubox is just two guys pushing buttons, it's not perfect, but people love to use it when it fits their argument. A lot of people gave rounds 10 and 11 to Bradley, including the judge who scored it for Pacquiao.

Manny made Tim miss, but Tim also made Manny miss a lot of shots too and he nailed Pac with some good shots too. While Manny may have caught Bradley with some solid shots he didn't ever really have Bradley in serious danger. It wasn't the greatest performance from either fighter to be quite honest.

Manny is not a defensive wizard like Floyd. Heck, Floyd's not even the defensive wizard he once was, which is probably one of the reasons he has been fighting more toe to toe in recent years. I'm not trying to take anything away from Manny, but I felt it was a much closer fight than most people are saying. I felt like Manny was gonna get the nod when I watched it Saturday night, and I can understand why people think he won, but there were some close rounds in there that can be argued for Bradley.

It's also funny for you to say that Manny won by fighting like Mayweather, yet thats always been one of your biggest criticisms of Mayweather. Maybe Manny should have gone back to fighting like Manny from 2008 and this wouldn't have happened....or would it? :ninja:

rockdawg21
06-11-2012, 07:26 PM
It's also funny for you to say that Manny won by fighting like Mayweather, yet thats always been one of your biggest criticisms of Mayweather. Maybe Manny should have gone back to fighting like Manny from 2008 and this wouldn't have happened....or would it? :ninja:
Yes, it has been one of my greatest criticisms of Mayweather, but I'm only making the point to you since it's one of your greatest praises of Mayweather. However, now that Manny is doing it, you're not praising it in the same fashion as you do Mayweather. :wink:

And yes, Manny still has all the speed, power, and talent, but he just doesn't go for the kill anymore. Even after the fight, I didn't expect him to be all smiles. After he lost to Morales, where he clearly lost the fight, he wasn't all smiles. It's just like to him anymore, it's just a job.

I'd say, Mayweather would win this fight, I make no bones about that now. If the old Pac would show himself, I'd say differently.

JavierDLC
06-11-2012, 07:29 PM
I'd say, Mayweather would win this fight, I make no bones about that now. If the old Pac would show himself, I'd say differently.

:rolleyes: and the flood gates have been opened

Sounds like Anderson Silvas knee injury :laugh:

Buc Nasty
06-11-2012, 07:32 PM
Enjoy the game! :)

I would have it wasn't for (surprise, surprise) disgraceful officiating!

Cheating french bumholes.

J.B.
06-11-2012, 07:35 PM
I still don't see how anybody can call the Marquez fights "robberies". They were all very close fights that could have went either way.

They just all happened to go Manny's way. :laugh:

The only reason the first fight was a draw was because a judge marked a 7 instead of a 6. (Although I thought Manny won the first fight anyway)

I agree though, they were close fights, and I thought the Bradley fight was close too.

J.B.
06-11-2012, 07:35 PM
I would have it wasn't for (surprise, surprise) disgraceful officiating!

Cheating french bumholes.

:laugh:

J.B.
06-11-2012, 07:50 PM
Yes, it has been one of my greatest criticisms of Mayweather, but I'm only making the point to you since it's one of your greatest praises of Mayweather. However, now that Manny is doing it, you're not praising it in the same fashion as you do Mayweather. :wink:

And yes, Manny still has all the speed, power, and talent, but he just doesn't go for the kill anymore. Even after the fight, I didn't expect him to be all smiles. After he lost to Morales, where he clearly lost the fight, he wasn't all smiles. It's just like to him anymore, it's just a job.


LOL, I'm not praising it? :laugh:

I'm not praising it because thats not what I saw. I didn't see Pacquiao looking like the same type of fighter that Floyd has been most of his career. Sure, you could say he showed some flashes of good defense in this fight, but Bradley was a bit wide and wild with his punches at times too.

I'd say, Mayweather would win this fight, I make no bones about that now. If the old Pac would show himself, I'd say differently.

Hell has frozen over. :laugh:

rockdawg21
06-11-2012, 07:52 PM
LOL, I'm not praising it? :laugh:

I'm not praising it because thats not what I saw. I didn't see Pacquiao looking like the same type of fighter that Floyd has been most of his career. Sure, you could say he showed some flashes of good defense in this fight, but Bradley was a bit wide and wild with his punches at times too.
Bradley landed a whopping 19% of his punches, what more do you want? :laugh:

J.B.
06-11-2012, 08:00 PM
Bradley landed a whopping 19% of his punches, what more do you want? :laugh:

Since Compubox stats tell all, I believe Pac only landed 19 or 20% of his punches against Clottey.

Clottey must be the next Mayweather too! :laugh:

rockdawg21
06-11-2012, 08:47 PM
Since Compubox stats tell all, I believe Pac only landed 19 or 20% of his punches against Clottey.

Clottey must be the next Mayweather too! :laugh:
I never said Compubox stats tell all, but Pac made miss in the same fashion that Mayweather makes his opponents miss. Mayweather just makes it look "pretty" :laugh:

J.B.
06-11-2012, 09:42 PM
I never said Compubox stats tell all, but Pac made miss in the same fashion that Mayweather makes his opponents miss. Mayweather just makes it look "pretty" :laugh:

Manny did make Bradley miss, and he landed some good shots in every round, I'm not denying that at all. To say he looked like Mayweather would be a stretch but he did land some great counters on Bradley for sure. Let's also not take anything away from Bradley, because he did eat some great shots from Pac and he was never really in danger of being KO'd or took any serious damage while managing to stay active.

rockdawg21
06-12-2012, 08:01 AM
Manny did make Bradley miss, and he landed some good shots in every round, I'm not denying that at all. To say he looked like Mayweather would be a stretch but he did land some great counters on Bradley for sure. Let's also not take anything away from Bradley, because he did eat some great shots from Pac and he was never really in danger of being KO'd or took any serious damage while managing to stay active.
Bradley was wobbled a few times, but I wouldn't say "hurt" by any means. He no doubt proved that he can take some good shots. I can't say anything about Bradley, he fought with the heart of a true warrior.

JavierDLC
06-12-2012, 02:41 PM
Bradley was wobbled a few times, but I wouldn't say "hurt" by any means. He no doubt proved that he can take some good shots. I can't say anything about Bradley, he fought with the heart of a true warrior.

Yeah I agree that Guy has a big @$$ Head :laugh: he took those punches like a Champ.

rockdawg21
06-12-2012, 07:37 PM
Yeah I agree that Guy has a big @$$ Head :laugh: he took those punches like a Champ.
He has a big head?! Uh oh!!! Now Mayweather and Malignaggi are going to start accusing him of using PED's based on the size of his head! :laugh:

JavierDLC
06-12-2012, 07:48 PM
He has a big head?! Uh oh!!! Now Mayweather and Malignaggi are going to start accusing him of using PED's based on the size of his head! :laugh:

Maybe.... :laugh: just look at my signature..... Johnson's head is the size of an aircraft carrier lol :laugh:

J.B.
06-12-2012, 10:12 PM
Maybe.... :laugh: just look at my signature..... Johnson's head is the size of an aircraft carrier lol :laugh:

Total fivehead! :laugh:

JavierDLC
06-12-2012, 10:41 PM
Total fivehead! :laugh:

:w00t: Definitely!!!

rockdawg21
06-13-2012, 12:05 AM
:laugh: You guys kill me!

J.B.
06-13-2012, 01:21 AM
:laugh: You guys kill me!

With SOME kindness and a LOT of hilariousness. :)

That's why I love Javi and Foxy, they break the mold of typical fans who just say "Yo dawg, YO, listen to me dog, cuz I'm teh dog of all dogz and my dog is better than your dog cuz I said so....bitch (also a dog)"....:laugh:

rockdawg21
06-13-2012, 01:33 AM
With SOME kindness and a LOT of hilariousness. :)

That's why I love Javi and Foxy, they break the mold of typical fans who just say "Yo dawg, YO, listen to me dog, cuz I'm teh dog of all dogz and my dog is better than your dog cuz I said so....bitch (also a dog)"....:laugh:
Yo dog, I'm not feelin' yo dogs, cuz I'm not da type of dog dat likez ta feel dogs dat like ta feel dogs.

rockdawg21
06-13-2012, 05:10 AM
I guess Floyd must have saw the fight from prison. Roger made some interesting Tweets:

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/556188_3860938918428_430882754_n.jpg

J.B.
06-13-2012, 05:58 AM
I guess Floyd must have saw the fight from prison. Roger made some interesting Tweets:

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/556188_3860938918428_430882754_n.jpg

First off, he's not in prison. He's in county jail.

It was reported before the fight that Floyd wouldn't get to watch the fight in jail, which is how it should be. So, I doubt Floyd actually saw the fight, but 50 already tweeted that he thought the fight was a work. Add that to the SR, Roger, and Jeff comments and there you have it.

However, it was reported yesterday that Floyd is asking for house arrest, something he knew he he wouldn't get. Sorry, but you took the plea bargin, now shut up and do the 90 days. This crap about only eating 800 calories and not having enough space to workout is garbage. The lawyer could easily negotiate more time outside the cell, or a few extra energy bars, or a TV, or whatever. Jail isn't supposed to be easy, and while I think Floyd KNEW that, he also knew that whining enough to get sent to general population would probably just get him sent home.

The system is a much bigger joke than boxing. :wacko:

J.B.
06-13-2012, 05:59 AM
Yo dog, I'm not feelin' yo dogs, cuz I'm not da type of dog dat likez ta feel dogs dat like ta feel dogs.

I love u too dog. I just wasn't quotin dem dogz when I was quotin....knad I mean? :)

rockdawg21
06-13-2012, 10:50 AM
First off, he's not in prison. He's in county jail.Wwoooooo, big deal JB! :laugh:

It was reported before the fight that Floyd wouldn't get to watch the fight in jail, which is how it should be. So, I doubt Floyd actually saw the fight, but 50 already tweeted that he thought the fight was a work. Add that to the SR, Roger, and Jeff comments and there you have it.

However, it was reported yesterday that Floyd is asking for house arrest, something he knew he he wouldn't get. Sorry, but you took the plea bargin, now shut up and do the 90 days. This crap about only eating 800 calories and not having enough space to workout is garbage. The lawyer could easily negotiate more time outside the cell, or a few extra energy bars, or a TV, or whatever. Jail isn't supposed to be easy, and while I think Floyd KNEW that, he also knew that whining enough to get sent to general population would probably just get him sent home.

The system is a much bigger joke than boxing. :wacko:He may have still been able to see it though. Even if not, it's pretty obvious he's still interested in the big money fight or Roger/Floyd Sr./50 Cent wouldn't be throwing out such strong opinions on the fight.

Yeah, I saw the article, it's a bunch of lies on top of more lies. Tough enough to beat up his ex but not tough enough to deal with the consequences, it's a measly 78 days, :cry:!

I can go into the technicalities of him "not being able to exercise" and the "damage it may do to his career" :rolleyes: but unless somebody asks, there's no point since we all know that is just lawyer BS talk.

J.B.
06-13-2012, 02:45 PM
Prison and county jail are two very different things. Just saying. :wink:

Buc Nasty
06-13-2012, 06:11 PM
Aight dawg, dat muther:censored:er still locked up yo.

rev
06-13-2012, 07:38 PM
Aight dawg, dat muther:censored:er still locked up yo.

rotf LOL:laugh:
Thats funny right there.

JavierDLC
06-13-2012, 10:50 PM
Aight dawg, dat muther:censored:er still locked up yo.

Buc I don't mean to sound rude but that Old man in your sig creeps me out!! :laugh:

He reminds me of

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/mrblackvader/herbert.jpg

rockdawg21
06-14-2012, 12:47 AM
Prison and county jail are two very different things. Just saying. :wink:
I know, but it was an honest mistake. It was late. :tired:

Buc Nasty
06-14-2012, 07:07 AM
Buc I don't mean to sound rude but that Old man in your sig creeps me out!! :laugh:

He reminds me of

http://i429.photobucket.com/albums/qq15/mrblackvader/herbert.jpg

:laugh: That's Roy Hodgson the England manager. If you ever bump into him put on a British accent and say 'Awight Woy?'

JavierDLC
06-14-2012, 02:34 PM
:laugh: That's Roy Hodgson the England manager. If you ever bump into him put on a British accent and say 'Awight Woy?'

:laugh:

Yeah I figured he was like a coach or something. :)

J.B.
06-15-2012, 03:00 AM
I know, but it was an honest mistake. It was late. :tired:

lol, I get it! :laugh:

Buc Nasty
06-22-2012, 10:52 AM
Only just watched this last night. I gave Bradley one round! What a farce.

JavierDLC
06-22-2012, 03:24 PM
Only just watched this last night. I gave Bradley one round! What a farce.

Same here and I'm not the Biggest Pacquiao fan.

J.B.
06-22-2012, 08:25 PM
Everybody who gave Pac 10 or 11 rounds is being as overly generous to Pacquiao as they claim the judges were for Bradley. Pacquiao tried to steal a lot of rounds in the last minute, and every time he moved the crowd went nuts making it seem like he was doing all sorts of damage, when in fact he wasn't.

Buc and Javi, I am curious which round each of you gave to Bradley. What I find amazing is how many people are screaming that this fight was a blowout, yet the rounds people gave to Bradley were all over the board. It's also a joke that this is getting as much attention as it is just because it's Pacquiao, nobody cared about any of the other close decisions in the last year or two. I'm not saying anybody around here is like this, but a lot of fans are like "Oh no, our poster boy lost a close decision, it must have been fixed"...Awww, Boo-hoo.

It sickening to see "respected" journalists around the sport calling this the biggest robbery in the history of Boxing.

Buc Nasty
06-23-2012, 06:38 AM
Everybody who gave Pac 10 or 11 rounds is being as overly generous to Pacquiao as they claim the judges were for Bradley. Pacquiao tried to steal a lot of rounds in the last minute, and every time he moved the crowd went nuts making it seem like he was doing all sorts of damage, when in fact he wasn't.

Buc and Javi, I am curious which round each of you gave to Bradley. What I find amazing is how many people are screaming that this fight was a blowout, yet the rounds people gave to Bradley were all over the board. It's also a joke that this is getting as much attention as it is just because it's Pacquiao, nobody cared about any of the other close decisions in the last year or two. I'm not saying anybody around here is like this, but a lot of fans are like "Oh no, our poster boy lost a close decision, it must have been fixed"...Awww, Boo-hoo.

It sickening to see "respected" journalists around the sport calling this the biggest robbery in the history of Boxing.

Round 10.

I don't get why you are so angry. I was one of many people I remember calling BS when Pac got the decision over Marquez but at least that was close, this fight was not. So what if Manny turned it up in the last minute of some of the rounds? Bradley wasn't doing much or landing anything significant enough to warrant winning those rounds. OK, for arguments sake lets say I gave Bradley rounds 10, 11 and 12 - its still not close is it?

It was a robbery.

J.B.
06-23-2012, 08:14 AM
Round 10.

I don't get why you are so angry. I was one of many people I remember calling BS when Pac got the decision over Marquez but at least that was close, this fight was not. So what if Manny turned it up in the last minute of some of the rounds? Bradley wasn't doing much or landing anything significant enough to warrant winning those rounds. OK, for arguments sake lets say I gave Bradley rounds 10, 11 and 12 - its still not close is it?

It was a robbery.

I am not angry, and you missed the point.

Sure, you only gave him round 10, but a crapload of people gave him rounds 10-12, as well as rounds 1 or 2, and round 7. All 3 judges, who have scored over 350 major fights, gave round 7 to Bradley (as did I). The scorecards from the judges, press, and the fans prove this fight was closer than people want to admit.

Buc Nasty
06-23-2012, 09:04 AM
a crapload of people gave him rounds 10-12, as well as rounds 1 or 2, and round 7

Which people, blind ones?

I watched it 2 days ago without any of the fallout or controversy in my mind and I don't support either guy. I gave Bradley one round. In my opinion, no - it was not close. Manny got the better of most exchanges and landed the harder shots, then he turned it up at the end of some of the rounds to entertain us. I don't really care how experienced the judges are, even the one that gave it to Pacquiao scored it 115-113 proving all three of them are useless.

J.B.
06-23-2012, 09:17 AM
Which people, blind ones?

I watched it 2 days ago without any of the fallout or controversy in my mind and I don't support either guy. I gave Bradley one round. In my opinion, no - it was not close. Manny got the better of most exchanges and landed the harder shots, then he turned it up at the end of some of the rounds to entertain us. I don't really care how experienced the judges are, even the one that gave it to Pacquiao scored it 115-113 proving all three of them are useless.

Which people? LOL, check the scorecards.... but fair enough.

Can you explain why Manny won rounds 1 and 7, without using compubox?

Buc Nasty
06-23-2012, 09:31 AM
Thats the point I'm making. I'm giving my scorecard, I'm not interested in what any judge, fan, journalist or forumite thought about the fight I'm just sharing my opinion.

I don't remember specific rounds but at the end of a round I have an opinion on who I think won it. That is pretty much how I've always watched fights.

Maybe that would be a better system, judges give their score round by round so there is no changing of scorecards and waiting around for 'mistakes' to happen. The crowd, the fighters and everyone watching on TV can see the scorecards and know whats going on.

J.B.
06-23-2012, 09:54 AM
Thats the point I'm making. I'm giving my scorecard, I'm not interested in what any judge, fan, journalist or forumite thought about the fight I'm just sharing my opinion.

I don't remember specific rounds but at the end of a round I have an opinion on who I think won it. That is pretty much how I've always watched fights.

Maybe that would be a better system, judges give their score round by round so there is no changing of scorecards and waiting around for 'mistakes' to happen. The crowd, the fighters and everyone watching on TV can see the scorecards and know whats going on.

I know it's just our opinion, but scorecards are about "specific" rounds. For you to say you don't remember specific rounds calls into question how you judge the match.

What you are calling for is basically the same way PRIDE judged it's matches, and that was based on "the whole fight". I have no arguments with that.:wink:

Buc Nasty
06-23-2012, 12:11 PM
I don't see hows its questionable, each round is 3 minutes and I give to the person I feel did the most significant damage over those 3 minutes.

J.B.
06-23-2012, 01:09 PM
I don't see hows its questionable, each round is 3 minutes and I give to the person I feel did the most significant damage over those 3 minutes.

I agree.

So, what did Pac do in rounds 1 and 7 to fit that criteria?

I pick those rounds specifically, because all 3 judges gave round 7 to Bradley, as did I. Also, a lot of people gave Bradley round 1 or 2, but I personally gave Bradley round 1.

Buc Nasty
06-23-2012, 08:34 PM
I'd have to watch it again to talk about those rounds but it was pretty boring so, that won't be happening soon! :laugh: