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NateR
08-06-2012, 07:03 PM
From ACLJ.org with a link to a petition to stop this lawsuit:

http://aclj.org/us-constitution/oppose-obama-lawsuit-against-military-voting-rights

The Obama Re-election campaign has filed a lawsuit to overturn a law that gives members of the military a few extra days to vote early. Men and women in the military sacrifice dearly for our country and they deserve and have the lawful and constitutional right to additional consideration.

Stand with the U.S. military. The ACLJ will file an amicus brief backing the Ohio law - giving our military men and women an opportunity to cast their ballots in a constitutional manner. Add your name to our brief defending the voting rights of the U.S. military today.

Committee to Defend Military Voting Rights

This challenge by the Obama Re-election Campaign is not only unconstitutional, but it is also offensive to millions of Americans. Our military heroes deserve to have this lawful courtesy extended to them - not more roadblocks making it even more difficult for them to participate in the election.

The military tends to vote very conservatively and obviously they are not going to be fans of Obama (especially not after his blanket repeal of DADT); so this is clearly a ploy of an apparently desperate Obama campaign to restrict the right to vote for many members of our Armed Forces. Despicable.

Bonnie
08-06-2012, 08:28 PM
They are despicable. They fight the states that want to require IDs for voters to ensure actual citizens are voting, yet they want to make it harder for our military to have every chance to vote. :angry: This is just the latest in a long line of dirty deeds. They are pulling out all the stops in order to get him re-elected, and they don't care how they do it.

flo
08-07-2012, 12:25 AM
Nate and Bonnie are so right, they are despicable, not to mention DESPERATE.

Their DoJ and the IRS are targeting big Romney donors and Harry Reid has rung in a new era of McCarthyism on the Senate floor. Meanwhile, the administration deals with the slight increase in unemployment last month by using decimal points and the campaigner-in-chief is playing as much golf as possible.

November 6th can't come soon enough to get this incompetent and unethical boob out of office before we're completely sunk.

County Mike
08-07-2012, 01:36 PM
Worst. President. Ever.

rearnakedchoke
08-07-2012, 02:18 PM
sounds like obama just wants access to early voting extended to everyone .. not just the military ...

NateR
08-08-2012, 10:12 PM
sounds like obama just wants access to early voting extended to everyone .. not just the military ...

Where do you see that at? Everyone in this country already has access to early voting. The military just gets more time because of the nature of their job.

rearnakedchoke
08-09-2012, 02:19 PM
Where do you see that at? Everyone in this country already has access to early voting. The military just gets more time because of the nature of their job.

from the video on the website .. it is confusing ... but it sounds to me like the military gets to start voting on the friday before an election and the obama camp has said they want everyone in the state to have access to vote on the friday before the election, at least that is what it sounds like ..

Neezar
08-09-2012, 04:41 PM
from the video on the website .. it is confusing ... but it sounds to me like the military gets to start voting on the friday before an election and the obama camp has said they want everyone in the state to have access to vote on the friday before the election, at least that is what it sounds like ..


Finally, while the Obama re-election campaign is claiming to the media that he wants to extend voting to everyone for the three-day period preceding the election, this lawsuit is unlikely to accomplish that. If the court were to accept his legal argument that military voters deserve no special treatment under the law, the court would be faced with two options: rewrite the statute that cuts off early absentee voting at the Friday before Election Day or strike down the statute that providers three extra days for military personnel.

If the court believes Obama’s argument that military personnel deserve no special treatment, the court is far more likely to strike down the statute granting that right than it is to rewrite an entirely separate statute. Courts do not write statutes; the legislature does.


Brilliant strategy.

But only one motive seems to make sense. Why would you try to change the whole ballgame? Look how much money and time that would take. Why would John Q. Public need more time to vote?

rearnakedchoke
08-09-2012, 05:04 PM
Brilliant strategy.

But only one motive seems to make sense. Why would you try to change the whole ballgame? Look how much money and time that would take. Why would John Q. Public need more time to vote?

could be ... neither of the speakers on the video talked about that ... but hey, what do i know ... just going off the video ...

there are plenty of jobs that people have which requires them to be out of the country and any given time .. up here we have advance polls that we can vote at for our elections for people who are going to be away during the time of the voting ... everyone has access to that ..

flo
08-09-2012, 11:00 PM
I am in favor of giving our military extra early time to make sure their votes are counted. But the BO administration isn't challenging that, they want to extend the 3 extra days to all Ohioans, as democrats benefit from absentee and early voting (as the article states). Here is a link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/the-ohio-early-voting-fight-explained/2012/08/07/742f8446-e0a5-11e1-a421-8bf0f0e5aa11_blog.html) that is pretty fair in explaining both sides.

rnc is right and I should have read more about the topic. But I don't take back a single word on Obama and his DoJ. They have challenged voter ID laws in several states. Holder recently made the outrageous statement that the Texas voter ID law (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/25/holder-gets-it-completely-wrong-on-poll-taxes-and-voter-id/) is a poll tax (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/10/eric-holder-voter-id-poll-tax_n_1662847.html) ( I've posted 2 links, one from each side of the political spectrum). Shame on them. They have hit a new low with the super pac ad touting Romney as being responsible for someone's death, an ad so chock full of outright lies that even the left is calling it despicable. I think they will say and do anything to retain power.

rearnakedchoke
08-10-2012, 02:07 PM
I am in favor of giving our military extra early time to make sure their votes are counted. But the BO administration isn't challenging that, they want to extend the 3 extra days to all Ohioans, as democrats benefit from absentee and early voting (as the article states). Here is a link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/the-ohio-early-voting-fight-explained/2012/08/07/742f8446-e0a5-11e1-a421-8bf0f0e5aa11_blog.html) that is pretty fair in explaining both sides.

rnc is right and I should have read more about the topic. But I don't take back a single word on Obama and his DoJ. They have challenged voter ID laws in several states. Holder recently made the outrageous statement that the Texas voter ID law (http://blog.heritage.org/2012/07/25/holder-gets-it-completely-wrong-on-poll-taxes-and-voter-id/) is a poll tax (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/10/eric-holder-voter-id-poll-tax_n_1662847.html) ( I've posted 2 links, one from each side of the political spectrum). Shame on them. They have hit a new low with the super pac ad touting Romney as being responsible for someone's death, an ad so chock full of outright lies that even the left is calling it despicable. I think they will say and do anything to retain power.

oh, i'm not saying both sides aren't using dirty tactics .. i mean, this is one good example .. most people thought the dems were trying to get rid of the early voting for the military from how it was communicated ... it ain't gonna be pretty between now and november .. thats for sure ..

NateR
08-11-2012, 05:33 AM
I've read that defense that he's merely trying to make the extension apply to everyone, but from what I understand (and I'm not a lawyer, so I can only form my opinions based on what lawyers say) that's essentially a lie and a diversion away from their real purpose.

Like I said, the military tends to vote very conservative and Obama just opened up all of the US Armed Forces for homosexuals to serve openly. He's not going to be very popular among the military (I was in the Army when DADT was passed and I expect the reaction to this to be about the same). Also, I remember reading a story back in 2008 about lost absentee ballots from military bases that were never counted. It probably wouldn't have been enough to change the results of the election, but it seems to me that Obama is covering all of the bases to try to ensure that he stays in office.

At this rate, if Obama wins a second term, then I expect him to be working to find a way around the 2-term limit four years from today.

Bonnie
08-11-2012, 08:14 PM
I've read that defense that he's merely trying to make the extension apply to everyone, but from what I understand (and I'm not a lawyer, so I can only form my opinions based on what lawyers say) that's essentially a lie and a diversion away from their real purpose.

Like I said, the military tends to vote very conservative and Obama just opened up all of the US Armed Forces for homosexuals to serve openly. He's not going to be very popular among the military (I was in the Army when DADT was passed and I expect the reaction to this to be about the same). Also, I remember reading a story back in 2008 about lost absentee ballots from military bases that were never counted. It probably wouldn't have been enough to change the results of the election, but it seems to me that Obama is covering all of the bases to try to ensure that he stays in office.

At this rate, if Obama wins a second term, then I expect him to be working to find a way around the 2-term limit four years from today.

I agree, I don't think it's so much wanting to "include" everybody, but rather trying to find a way to limit or impede any vote they feel is going to go against them. That disgusting Obama super PAC ad by Priorities USA accusing Mitt Romney of killing a woman has proven to me beyond any doubts that Obama and his minions will stop at nothing to win his re-election. The guy from Priorities USA who's been all over tv is a liar, Stephanie Cutter, Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager is a liar, and I'm sorry, but who are they lying for, so yeah, I'm calling the President a liar too. He's not the first president to lie and I'm sure he won't be the last, but it still doesn't make it right. While this ad was playing all over tv, the President was giving a speech complaining about, "You've got these super PACs just going crazy." If he was trying to make himself look innocent or not a part of what's going on with his campaign and these ads, he failed, he only made himself out to be a big fat hypocrite. But then, that's nothing new with him. He talks the talk, but don't walk the walk. :no: :talktothehand:

I know both sides are guilty of questionable tactics, but putting out an ad basically saying, "Mitt Romney killed my wife.", that's just disgraceful! And that man, Mr. Soptic, should be ashamed of himself, using his wife and her death to promote a lie to smear a man.

flo
08-11-2012, 09:16 PM
I agree, I don't think it's so much wanting to "include" everybody, but rather trying to find a way to limit or impede any vote they feel is going to go against them. That disgusting Obama super PAC ad by Priorities USA accusing Mitt Romney of killing a woman has proven to me beyond any doubts that Obama and his minions will stop at nothing to win his re-election. The guy from Priorities USA who's been all over tv is a liar, Stephanie Cutter, Obama's Deputy Campaign Manager is a liar, and I'm sorry, but who are they lying for, so yeah, I'm calling the President a liar too. He's not the first president to lie and I'm sure he won't be the last, but it still doesn't make it right. While this ad was playing all over tv, the President was giving a speech complaining about, "You've got these super PACs just going crazy." If he was trying to make himself look innocent or not a part of what's going on with his campaign and these ads, he failed, he only made himself out to be a big fat hypocrite. But then, that's nothing new with him. He talks the talk, but don't walk the walk. :no: :talktothehand:

I know both sides are guilty of questionable tactics, but putting out an ad basically saying, "Mitt Romney killed my wife.", that's just disgraceful! And that man, Mr. Soptic, should be ashamed of himself, using his wife and her death to promote a lie to smear a man.

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You said it in a nutshell, Bon, I couldn't agree more.