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Bella79
06-21-2012, 07:42 PM
Fedor by KO Rizzo

MattHughesRocks
06-21-2012, 09:10 PM
:happydancing:

Bonnie
06-22-2012, 08:03 AM
Good for him! :) No video?

Llamafighter
06-22-2012, 01:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFeAefKsLTc&feature=related

JavierDLC
06-22-2012, 03:03 PM
Im still Hoping he will get to fight in the UFC at least once. :)

im not saying he will be Champ but I want him to at least get a chance.

I know its next to impossible but hey crazier Sh!@ has happened in Mr. Whites Circus.

bj44
06-22-2012, 03:40 PM
Im still Hoping he will get to fight in the UFC at least once. :)

im not saying he will be Champ but I want him to at least get a chance.

I know its next to impossible but hey crazier Sh!@ has happened in Mr. Whites Circus.

I still think on a good day he can beat anyone but cain/jds/overoid

JavierDLC
06-22-2012, 03:50 PM
I still think on a good day he can beat anyone but cain/jds/overoid

I agree. I even think he can beat those guys too.

Overeem for being the "Best Striker in HW" was outclassed by Fabricio.... Fu@#$ Fabricio!!! :laugh:

I know if Fedor grazes him with that hook he would finish him.

Junior is a Bad @$$ Mother Trucker!! But I think Fedor would come out swinging and presure him.

Cain... now that would be an amazing fight!! Both are lean and mean! Fast and very well rounded. Although I give Fedor the advantage in the ground.

Tyburn
06-22-2012, 06:25 PM
Im still Hoping he will get to fight in the UFC at least once. :)

im not saying he will be Champ but I want him to at least get a chance.

I know its next to impossible but hey crazier Sh!@ has happened in Mr. Whites Circus.

:sad: Sorry Javi...Fedor Retired after the match...I suspect he's moving further into Russian Politics...something all the Americans like to try and forget :laugh:

I think he would make a good Russian President, and he is a favourite of the man that just wont go away....Vladamir Putin, who ping-pongs between Russian President and Russian Prime Minister and has done for YEARS...its into his "majority" party that I think Fedor got ellected into last year or something.

Putin is former KGB, M1-Global have a lot of money running through them...Fedor is famous...I suspect they are nurturing him for some position eventually in the higher echelons of the Russian Government. :ninja:

Liddellfan
06-22-2012, 07:10 PM
Good to see him win again by KO. Wish he would keep fighting, he looked good in that fight.

PRShrek
06-23-2012, 02:33 PM
By Ben Fowlkes - Senior Writer
http://www.mmafighting.com/2012/6/22/3110307/fedor-emelianenko-and-the-complicated-legacy-of-a-simple-man

Jun 22, 2012 - Fedor Emelianenko is finished now. So he says. Fighter retirements are a little like break-ups: you have to wait a while, sometimes a long while, before you know if itís going to stick. Assuming Emelianenko doesnít go for some desperate reconciliation attempt on a New Yearís Eve fight card somewhere (the MMA version of the saddest one-night stand there is), his break-up with the sport will have ended after twelve memorable years -- seven or eight of which were truly impressive -- and innumerable tedious debates about his place among MMA greats.

Was he the best fighter this sport has ever known? Doubtful. I think that title belongs to Anderson Silva, who, for all we know, could still have several more good years left in him. How about the best heavyweight? Sure. That feels like a more comfortable claim. He dominated Pride back when that organization had the best big men in the world, then he came to the U.S. and beat the two fighters who had traded the UFC heavyweight strap back and forth during that same time period.

Emelianenko was one of MMAís straddlers. He came up during one era of the sport -- an era of specialists, but very few all-around mixed martial artists -- and continued on into the next one, when nearly every opponent was in possession of both a ground game and a striking game, rather than faking one to set up the other. Emelianenko dominated the fighters of both eras. He did it as an undersized heavyweight, and he did it for a long, long time.

He was the best, in other words, at least among the heavyweights. He was also one of the most overrated fighters to ever strap on a pair of gloves, and probably one of the most blatantly mismanaged ones. Itís all a part of the complicated legacy he leaves behind. Fedor the great. Fedor the not-quite-that great. Fedor the cautionary tale.

Emelianenko never cared very much about legacy or rankings. Thatís what he said, anyway, and of all the things he was capable of, guile never seemed like one of them. A certain subset of fans tried to make him into their own reluctant cult leader by worshipping his every move on internet forums, but to his credit, he seemed embarrassed by that attention, and maybe even a little annoyed at those who kept forcing it on him. No matter how many times he tried to tell us that he was just a simple man who happened to be very good at fighting, there were those who would settle for nothing less than a messiah.

But the enigmatic Russian was similarly passive and disinterested when it came to the direction of his own career. When it was time to make big decisions about his future following the sale and demise of Pride, he put his career into the hands of people who treated him as a commodity first and an athlete second. They were determined to squeeze every last ounce of value out of him while they could, and in the process they kept him out of the most compelling fights during what may have been the peak of his career.

It wasnít all their fault. They caught some bad breaks here and there. They had what could have been a career-defining fight against Josh Barnett yanked out from under them by Barnettís failed drug test. But with their demands for "co-promotion" -- which, near as I can tell, consisted of splashing the M-1 Global logo on any flat surface they could find -- they attempted to turn Emelianenko into a promotion unto himself. They created the impression that they were picking and choosing his fights, trying to keep him out of the tough ones while they shook his perfect record like a piggy back they were trying to extract the last few coins from.

When the breaks started going against Emelianenko, beginning with his shocking submission loss to Fabricio Werdum, they never stopped until he was thoroughly damaged goods. After remaining on the top of the mountain for years, suddenly he fell right off the cliff. He lost three straight before being bounced out of Strikeforce. The second loss, to Antonio Silva, seemed like it was the size difference finally catching up with him. The third loss, to Strikeforce light heavyweight champ and occasional middleweight contender Dan Henderson, seemed more like age.

If his career had ended there it would have been no less impressive. He continued on anyway, winning a few more mostly meaningless bouts in events propped up by the scaffolding of his fame. He ended it with a knockout of Pedro Rizzo, who was himself a fighter from a bygone era, and one who never quite learned to straddle the way his more successful contemporaries did.

That win wonít really matter, except perhaps to those who were there and got to share in the moment. In the Fedor canon, a knockout of the aging Rizzo falls somewhere above his wins over Zuluzinho and Hong-Man Choi, but far below his defeats of Mirko Filipovic and Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. When you look at his record now, you see freakshows and you see fights. You see an amazing unbeaten streak that includes real wins over real opponents, as well as a few almost criminal ones against unconvincing fakers. Look closer, into the background, and you see handlers who tried to monetize that streak just a little too much, and ended up negotiating themselves right out of the big time. Somewhere in there is an excellent fighter, struggling to keep from being drowned out by the hype and the hate.

Emelianenko was great once. Maybe he could have been even greater if his management had gotten out of the way and given him a chance to find out. Weíll never know, and neither will he. I get the sense that weíre the only ones who even care. Emelianenko was one of the few fighters who never asked us to tell him how wonderful he was, and never seemed interested in listening when we told him anyway. Thatís a part of his legacy too. The part that doesnít care what we think. The part that just wanted to be a man when so many others tried to make him into a god.

flo
06-23-2012, 04:23 PM
:sad: Sorry Javi...Fedor Retired after the match...I suspect he's moving further into Russian Politics...something all the Americans like to try and forget :laugh:



Why would you make such a sweeping generalization like that, Tyburn? I'm not trying to be mean but that's ridiculous.

Liddellfan
06-24-2012, 07:26 PM
:sad: Sorry Javi...Fedor Retired after the match...I suspect he's moving further into Russian Politics...something all the Americans like to try and forget :laugh:

Very offensive and disrespectful IMO.....Nobody here talks trash about or makes disrespectful comments about England, even though it may be warranted.

Tyburn
06-24-2012, 08:34 PM
Very offensive and disrespectful IMO.....Nobody here talks trash about or makes disrespectful comments about England, even though it may be warranted.

Its neither...its the truth....not just on this forum, and every mma forum...but also on all the mma literature and journalism...there was almost zero coverage in America of the fact that not only did the Russian President (one of the most powerful people on the planet outside of the US) attend a high profile MMA event...but he also entered the ring after the event, and personally gave Fedor his reward

Neither did they bother to comment on Fedors standing in local ellections.

There is still next to nothing, and I mean NOTHING about that. Its as if the Americans are frankly trying to ignore it...and with very good reasons...because Fedor the politician doesnt stand for the value that Americans deem fit to proclaim...and its fascinating...its as if to wake up and discuss the political facts would mean the end of the hero worship.

Which is, of course, why he would make a most excellent protege. Mr Putin is not stupid...you may not like him, but he's not an idiot. His appearence alongside Fedor was part of a campaign for the Presidency...which in Russia unfortunately doesnt mean it was a statement to get votes, it means it was a statement of who the President is backing, or vice versa.

Lets not pull quarms here...Fedor didnt join some minority group. He joined the leading party in Russia and accepted an award from Vladimir and went forward for local ellections...looking at his record, MMA has played second fiddle ever since...not that you would garner that from any American media or fan.

Im sorry if you dont like that truth.

...and you can say whatever you wish to about England. I do not see fit to view my country through rose tinted lenses. You would know that if you'd ever heard my views on it...they are probably far more critical then your own.

flo
06-25-2012, 03:36 AM
I'm sorry but you're just wrong, Dave. Even I knew about Putin giving the award and I don't pay attention to that stuff. It's not the 1950's, there's no "red scare" and people in this country don't care what Fedor's politics are. You are just making a sweeping (and incorrect) generalization and won't admit it.

I think you have a wee bit o' the devil in ye, as we say in the old country :-)

Tyburn
06-25-2012, 09:29 AM
I'm sorry but you're just wrong, Dave. Even I knew about Putin giving the award and I don't pay attention to that stuff. It's not the 1950's, there's no "red scare" and people in this country don't care what Fedor's politics are. You are just making a sweeping (and incorrect) generalization and won't admit it.

I think you have a wee bit o' the devil in ye, as we say in the old country :-)

Dont you find the lack of coverage...interesting?

...and are you sure you didnt hear about Putins award from ME :laugh: I do not count :ashamed:

PRShrek
06-25-2012, 01:00 PM
Dont you find the lack of coverage...interesting?

A former fighter starting a new career is not really earth shattering news, and neither is a minor celebrity getting into politics. It was covered in a small blurb, as that is how these things are generally reported. How that could be interpreted to mean something negative about the US is something only your therapist understands.

...and are you sure you didnt hear about Putins award from ME :laugh: I do not count :ashamed:

VCURamFan posts most of the Fedor news around here, not you, and this thread was posted by Foxy.

Neezar
06-25-2012, 04:34 PM
Its neither...its the truth....not just on this forum, and every mma forum...but also on all the mma literature and journalism

Neither did they bother to comment on Fedors standing in local ellections.

There is still next to nothing, and I mean NOTHING about that. Its as if the Americans are frankly trying to ignore it...



Dave, you are so full of shyte. You seem to come up with a theory or idea and push it even with no basis or facts to back it up. Just Google 'Fedor Emelianenko Politics'. You will see that almost every MMA site out there posted articles on Fedor and his politics.

The majority of American MMA fans are young males who care nothing for Russian politics. So it isn't suprising that MMA sites don't beat that story to death.

And just because we don't discuss something here doesn't mean that we stick our heads in the sand and ignore something that you think we might find threatening or offensive.

:rolleyes:

flo
06-25-2012, 06:05 PM
Dont you find the lack of coverage...interesting?



No, I didn't hear it from you, I probably saw it on Yahoo news.

It isn't interesting in the least. Our country is more partisan than ever, housing is in the toilet, gas prices are still way too high, grocery prices going up and it's really tough for people to find work. Tensions in the ME are are a crisis point and the EU is crumbling. I think Fedor getting an award from Putin (and going into politics) is the LAST thing on the minds of Americans, even MMA fans.

Just my 2 cents. :)

rockdawg21
06-25-2012, 11:14 PM
Yay

Tyburn
06-27-2012, 06:54 PM
1) A former fighter starting a new career is not really earth shattering news, and neither is a minor celebrity getting into politics. It was covered in a small blurb, as that is how these things are generally reported. How that could be interpreted to mean something negative about the US is something only your therapist understands.



2) VCURamFan posts most of the Fedor news around here, not you, and this thread was posted by Foxy.

1) Its not his "career" that should get the attention...I seem to recall that Jeff Monson got ALOT of attention for his views. Its more to do with what he represents...or might represent...and I actually do think that kinda matters...I know in one way it shouldnt matter at all though :unsure-1:

2) Oh the irony...I used to post all the time, less then two years ago I probably posted and started more threads then anyone else period. Now...not so much. I split my time between here and other places, and I dont post as much as I used to, let alone start threads....but you'd have to have been a regular poster more then a year and a half ago to have understood just how diminished I have become around here. Ask around...others will no doubt tell you :ashamed:

Tyburn
06-27-2012, 06:57 PM
Tensions in the ME are are a crisis point and the EU is crumbling. I think Fedor getting an award from Putin (and going into politics) is the LAST thing on the minds of Americans, even MMA fans.


:laugh: Yes...I see that some things are of higher priority :laugh:

But...I still think its worth watching China and Russia exactly for those kinds of reasons..I figure with the ammount of issues our Western Cultures are suffering from now...we could get overtaken by Eastern Dominance...:unsure-1: :ninja:

From our perspective...definately rather the Americans...then the Russians, or the Orient, and GODforbid the Europeans...especially the German Chancellor :unsure:

JavierDLC
06-27-2012, 10:35 PM
:laugh: Yes...I see that some things are of higher priority :laugh:

But...I still think its worth watching China and Russia exactly for those kinds of reasons..I figure with the ammount of issues our Western Cultures are suffering from now...we could get overtaken by Eastern Dominance...:unsure-1: :ninja:

From our perspective...definately rather the Americans...then the Russians, or the Orient, and GODforbid the Europeans...especially the German Chancellor :unsure:

So you guys are still scared of Germany? It's been 67 years... :)

rockdawg21
06-28-2012, 01:51 AM
I'm scared of Germany.

http://i.imgur.com/jr83c.png

JavierDLC
06-28-2012, 04:07 AM
I'm scared of Germany.

http://i.imgur.com/jr83c.png

:laugh:

VCURamFan
06-28-2012, 12:51 PM
I'm scared of Germany.

http://i.imgur.com/jr83c.png
:happy0198:

Bella79
06-28-2012, 04:04 PM
Krieg Deutschland!!!!!!!!!!

Tyburn
06-29-2012, 07:42 PM
So you guys are still scared of Germany? It's been 67 years... :)

Well...The Problem with Germany is that its rebuilding was so good that guess which country ended up being the most wealthy in Europe after the war :laugh:

Because Germany has the deepest pockets she ends up being the one the Europeans turn to when they cant manage their debts...she has a nasty habit, of adding strings...sooo...in Greece, the newspapers are reporting that they are being actively occupied by Germany right now...why?? Coz The Germans told the Greeks that they couldnt have the money they needed unless they changed their government and voted in one that would agree to THEIR money svaing ideas!!

Imagine your country being in that position...Imagine that China, for example, were to say to the United States..."we will only lend you money if...you support the Syrian Dictator...." what do you think would happen?? Your country wouldnt risk bankruptsy...and if the current administration wouldnt bow, the legislature would move for a General Ellection to vote in someone who would...now...do you think ANYONE should have that power???

In a sence, there are only Five Institutions which do. The First is the Federal Government of the United States of America. They can alter fifty Soverign States...BUT to a deggree, however inflated they have become, they were designed for Union.

The Second is the European Union. This can dictate the moving, mostly of money around an entire Continent...it has a monetry Union of Seventeen States and an Economic Union of Twenty Seven States...it does NOT Have a political Union, but relies upon Treaties rather then laws...The problem is...those who control the money CAN change politics in other member states

...Germany even admit they WANT political Union!! WTF...A United States of Europe...UNDER GERMANY??? a Twenty Seven State Strong Federation??? With Germany being the most powerful...that achieves the same thing as Adolf Hitler wanted except without a war!!!

Perhaps you would like your Government to relocate to the Home of the Confederacy? Would it not feel to you, even if the move was just...I dont know...for fun, lets expand the Federal Government, New Congress Building in Virginia...and turn the old one into a Consitutional Museum :huh:...Would you not feel then that the South had won?? Maybe not after so long...But Germany did this twice in less then a century thus far!!

The Third is the Courts of Human Rights/War Crimes Tribunals...well...lets not worry about them to much...you can ignore the former without so much as a tut, and dont need to worry about the latter unless you deserve it.

The fourth is The North Atlantic Treaty Organization....Erm..well the main issue with that is that it will only ever wage war outside of itself...so if your in it, it doesnt really matter does it.

The fifth was The United Nations...which, since 2003 has solidified itself as nothing more then the political expression of an opinion poll. Delightfully powerless.

seeing as the US Federation is only interested in land already annexed...the only movement and threat comes from Europe...and Europe is led by Germany...and at least a third of this country probably remembers the last time that happened...

rockdawg21
07-01-2012, 06:58 AM
Well...The Problem with Germany is that its rebuilding was so good that guess which country ended up being the most wealthy in Europe after the war :laugh:

Because Germany has the deepest pockets she ends up being the one the Europeans turn to when they cant manage their debts...she has a nasty habit, of adding strings...sooo...in Greece, the newspapers are reporting that they are being actively occupied by Germany right now...why?? Coz The Germans told the Greeks that they couldnt have the money they needed unless they changed their government and voted in one that would agree to THEIR money svaing ideas!!

Imagine your country being in that position...Imagine that China, for example, were to say to the United States..."we will only lend you money if...you support the Syrian Dictator...." what do you think would happen?? Your country wouldnt risk bankruptsy...and if the current administration wouldnt bow, the legislature would move for a General Ellection to vote in someone who would...now...do you think ANYONE should have that power???

In a sence, there are only Five Institutions which do. The First is the Federal Government of the United States of America. They can alter fifty Soverign States...BUT to a deggree, however inflated they have become, they were designed for Union.

The Second is the European Union. This can dictate the moving, mostly of money around an entire Continent...it has a monetry Union of Seventeen States and an Economic Union of Twenty Seven States...it does NOT Have a political Union, but relies upon Treaties rather then laws...The problem is...those who control the money CAN change politics in other member states

...Germany even admit they WANT political Union!! WTF...A United States of Europe...UNDER GERMANY??? a Twenty Seven State Strong Federation??? With Germany being the most powerful...that achieves the same thing as Adolf Hitler wanted except without a war!!!

Perhaps you would like your Government to relocate to the Home of the Confederacy? Would it not feel to you, even if the move was just...I dont know...for fun, lets expand the Federal Government, New Congress Building in Virginia...and turn the old one into a Consitutional Museum :huh:...Would you not feel then that the South had won?? Maybe not after so long...But Germany did this twice in less then a century thus far!!

The Third is the Courts of Human Rights/War Crimes Tribunals...well...lets not worry about them to much...you can ignore the former without so much as a tut, and dont need to worry about the latter unless you deserve it.

The fourth is The North Atlantic Treaty Organization....Erm..well the main issue with that is that it will only ever wage war outside of itself...so if your in it, it doesnt really matter does it.

The fifth was The United Nations...which, since 2003 has solidified itself as nothing more then the political expression of an opinion poll. Delightfully powerless.

seeing as the US Federation is only interested in land already annexed...the only movement and threat comes from Europe...and Europe is led by Germany...and at least a third of this country probably remembers the last time that happened...
Wow, did anybody read this? I saw this, laughed, hit "quote", then typed what you're reading right now. :laugh:

Tyburn
07-01-2012, 07:29 AM
Wow, did anybody read this? I saw this, laughed, hit "quote", then typed what you're reading right now. :laugh:

Most people dont bother to read my posts :ashamed:

rockdawg21
07-01-2012, 08:26 AM
Most people dont bother to read my posts :ashamed:
Haha, no offense Dave, but we were all just making jokes about being scared of Germany.

You know your stuff though and I admire your passion!

Tyburn
07-01-2012, 08:46 PM
Haha, no offense Dave, but we were all just making jokes about being scared of Germany.

You know your stuff though and I admire your passion!

What the British Public IS Afraid of is NOT being able to trust OUR OWN Governments ability to STOP German domination in the Eurozone via Treaty, leading to law, leading to Federal Union. That would equate to Hitlers want to dominate Europe...but achieve it by peaceful aims...some of us will never be ready for a Germanic Rule over the Continent, whether its done by success in war...or completely by peaceful consent.

The second worry is that due to the financial status of this country, I honnestly dont think we COULD fight a proper conflict that transcends country boundaries. We had success in Iraq (relatively small scale) we have partial success in afghanistan (larger scale) We bearly managed to aid a civil war in a third world african country...and we wont take the chance with Syria....all of the above we did with extensive help from other countries.

We may well be incapable of fighting a war on our own against a single enemy, much less fighting unaided against an emerging union that could cover an entire continent.

Our Military is at its lowest point since the Napoleonic wars, we cant afford the proper safety apparatus for our deployed troops, we've downgraded our airforce, we bloody share crusiers and warships with the socialist french!!!

Bear in mind that we were once bigger then your own country in terms of wealth, firepower (for that era) and land...acting ALONE...now look at us...we can bearly stand.

Anyone wonders what might happen when next year the results of the Faulklands Referendum come in, and it irritates the argentinians so much they decide to make a proper bid for the land and the oil reserves in the seas of her coast?

Do you honnestly think we could stop them? Because I honnestly dont.

..and yes...I do think that somethings are wrong whether aggreed upon by treaty or not...an entire generation of young men over a good quarter of this planet died, less then 100 years ago, to stop Germany taking Europe by force....is it really alright to allow them to take it by a goodwill contract now?

Whats more scarry...supposing that is the only way to save the Eurozone from complete financial meltdown?

Do none of you feel any hatred or worry towards the South anymore? I suppose its different with a civil conflict...not like us Royalists would still fear or hate parliamentarians...

okay...Supposing the British made a treaty with Washington to retake control of the Collonial States to save the Federal Reserve some dosh...would you be able to remember how strongly, you had fought a war to STOP that from being the case...or would you just go..."well...at least they wouldnt make us buy health care insurence :laugh: "

Think about that as your independance day approaches...times do change...but to reverse by mere politics what thousands of people died for...I just dont know if thats acceptable...is that really civilized? does it really remember with honour those fallen in a cause so deeply believed it changed the world at the time....to be undone by the stroke of a pen, amicably....is that peace? is that negotiation?

...or at the end of the day, is it a form of High Treason :unsure-1:

Tyburn
07-01-2012, 09:42 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8BpcWgET8

I dont know how anyone who did this...could be given what they want, peacefully, less then a century later...particularly as their are still people alive who went through this

My Nan turned 88 years old today...she remembers....she lost a friend in the air force

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-wW58-3qSQ

JavierDLC
07-02-2012, 03:14 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sw8BpcWgET8

I dont know how anyone who did this...could be given what they want, peacefully, less then a century later...particularly as their are still people alive who went through this

My Nan turned 88 years old today...she remembers....she lost a friend in the air force

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-wW58-3qSQ

Are you serious right now?????

Are you saying that all German People right now generations later are still to blame for what happened in WW2?!?!? Im not German and I've probably met 3 German people in my life total all of them professors in the past 2 years and I think its kind of Fuc@#! UP to put this on them.

What Hitler did was completely outrageous and Crazy but before that Germany was treated like Sh!@

If even a 1/4 of people now where as patriotic and grateful for their nationality like those people back then maybe the world would be a different and better place.

flo
07-02-2012, 09:31 PM
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/floranista/threadderailed.jpg

Tyburn
07-02-2012, 11:00 PM
Are you serious right now?????

Are you saying that all German People right now generations later are still to blame for what happened in WW2?!?!? Im not German and I've probably met 3 German people in my life total all of them professors in the past 2 years and I think its kind of Fuc@#! UP to put this on them.

What Hitler did was completely outrageous and Crazy but before that Germany was treated like Sh!@

If even a 1/4 of people now where as patriotic and grateful for their nationality like those people back then maybe the world would be a different and better place.

Thats because by the time Hitler came along, we'd already lost the first generation of men....and they were internationally punished via sanctions and removal of some land, rightly so...the depression was world wide...that wasnt treatment.

I dont hold any individual german responsible for the sins of their fathers so to speak...BUT I do think that there should be a recongised status whereby the Germans as a Nation are NEVER given anything resembling an Empire...not then, not now...not ever.

...and by their own admission they are pushing for political union, for a federation...and that should not be permitted to happen.

I am all for right wing policy....but I draw the line at the moment you think whats good for you should be applied to the rest of the world. The Age of Empires is over.

Bella79
07-02-2012, 11:30 PM
Thats because by the time Hitler came along, we'd already lost the first generation of men....and they were internationally punished via sanctions and removal of some land, rightly so...the depression was world wide...that wasnt treatment.

I dont hold any individual german responsible for the sins of their fathers so to speak...BUT I do think that there should be a recongised status whereby the Germans as a Nation are NEVER given anything resembling an Empire...not then, not now...not ever.

...and by their own admission they are pushing for political union, for a federation...and that should not be permitted to happen.

I am all for right wing policy....but I draw the line at the moment you think whats good for you should be applied to the rest of the world. The Age of Empires is over.

My Grandparents are from Germany.. I don't appreciate your anti-German messages.

Bella79
07-02-2012, 11:31 PM
Are you serious right now?????

Are you saying that all German People right now generations later are still to blame for what happened in WW2?!?!? Im not German and I've probably met 3 German people in my life total all of them professors in the past 2 years and I think its kind of Fuc@#! UP to put this on them.

What Hitler did was completely outrageous and Crazy but before that Germany was treated like Sh!@

If even a 1/4 of people now where as patriotic and grateful for their nationality like those people back then maybe the world would be a different and better place.

:applause: Thank you for this.!! You are absolutely correct..

Tyburn
07-03-2012, 05:13 PM
My Grandparents are from Germany.. I don't appreciate your anti-German messages.

I have NO problem with Germans...I just dont want them to rule Europe....I do not want a Federalization of Europe under the German Government....Ideally...I dont want the European Union, I dont want the Euro Currency. I dont want a European Parliament, I dont want a European Court, I dont want a European President....I want a continent full of individual soverign States

...Sorry if that offends

WADR...your country has never known war like Europe. Your country has never lost everything because of a war. Your country has not ever lost an entire Two Generations of men because of war. Your cities have never faced the Blitz. Its impossible for me to expect you to understand that having been through all that, for Germany as a State (nothing to do with Germans as people) to Rule a Federal System over the entire Continent within 100 years of the FIRST War...its just wrong.

When you understand the utter devistation of entire cities, when you understand the ideal of sending unmanned flying bombs to drop out of the sky unexpectedly on civilians randomly, when you understand the dedication behind the dunkirk evacuations....

When Washington D.C or New York City, Or Chicago, or San Fransisco are bombed continuosly for fifty seven nights...and left razed completely to the ground...THEN you might understand what its like to see your enemy get what they want by peaceful methods, and you will find yourself in the same position....If it wasnt for Germany England would still have an Empire and still be the top super-power....If it wasnt for Germany and Japan, The United States may never have become a super-power at all....you became powerful because those infront of you were irreparably damaged by the Germans...and you kept powerful because of your geography relative to any would-be aggressor. you are, in a word, lucky

JavierDLC
07-03-2012, 06:21 PM
I have NO problem with Germans...I just dont want them to rule Europe....I do not want a Federalization of Europe under the German Government....Ideally...I dont want the European Union, I dont want the Euro Currency. I dont want a European Parliament, I dont want a European Court, I dont want a European President....I want a continent full of individual soverign States

...Sorry if that offends

WADR...your country has never known war like Europe. Your country has never lost everything because of a war. Your country has not ever lost an entire Two Generations of men because of war. Your cities have never faced the Blitz. Its impossible for me to expect you to understand that having been through all that, for Germany as a State (nothing to do with Germans as people) to Rule a Federal System over the entire Continent within 100 years of the FIRST War...its just wrong.

When you understand the utter devistation of entire cities, when you understand the ideal of sending unmanned flying bombs to drop out of the sky unexpectedly on civilians randomly, when you understand the dedication behind the dunkirk evacuations....

When Washington D.C or New York City, Or Chicago, or San Fransisco are bombed continuosly for fifty seven nights...and left razed completely to the ground...THEN you might understand what its like to see your enemy get what they want by peaceful methods, and you will find yourself in the same position....If it wasnt for Germany England would still have an Empire and still be the top super-power....If it wasnt for Germany and Japan, The United States may never have become a super-power at all....you became powerful because those infront of you were irreparably damaged by the Germans...and you kept powerful because of your geography relative to any would-be aggressor. you are, in a word, lucky

aweee well boo hoo poor Tyburn....

You just admitted that the German people are your enemies.. again :rolleyes:

And yes I'm lucky I'm an American and I wouldn't trade that for any nationality in the world!

Tyburn
07-03-2012, 07:09 PM
aweee well boo hoo poor Tyburn....

You just admitted that the German people are your enemies.. again :rolleyes:

And yes I'm lucky I'm an American and I wouldn't trade that for any nationality in the world!

ANY Country that wants to create a Federal Europe AGAINST the wishes of half of Europe should be classed a potential enemy...ANY Country that thinks it can use, and has used, financial blackmail to over-ride the democrasy of Countries that are completely Soverign should be classed a potential enemy

Surely as an American you understand that?? Or do you approve of countries imposing their law over another country by (attempting to) removing democratically ellected Governments?

...other then North Vietnam...obviously.

VCURamFan
07-03-2012, 07:21 PM
ANY Country that wants to create a Federal Europe AGAINST the wishes of half of Europe should be classed a potential enemy...ANY Country that thinks it can use, and has used, financial blackmail to over-ride the democrasy of Countries that are completely Soverign should be classed a potential enemy

Surely as an American you understand that?? Or do you approve of countries imposing their law over another country by (attempting to) removing democratically ellected Governments?

...other then North Vietnam...obviously.
I think that Germany should view a mass of country strong-arming it into paying for their foolish financial decisions as enemies. Britain's in the same boat: strong economies forced to cover Spain & Greece's idiocy. Y'all should be aligning with Germany.

Tyburn
07-04-2012, 05:26 PM
I think that Germany should view a mass of country strong-arming it into paying for their foolish financial decisions as enemies. Britain's in the same boat: strong economies forced to cover Spain & Greece's idiocy. Y'all should be aligning with Germany.

You have a point...but here is the thing...

Firstly the Euro wasnt thought through properly before being put in place. Why? because its value is being used by totally different economies trying to compete...now the Germanic Argument is that Political Union will create a SINGLE Economy with a SINGLE Currency...not a Single Currency expected to work for all economies, which dont work because they all loan and borrow from each other and they all try and better themselves at the others expense to be a better prospect for money borrowing.

Secondly...this isnt entirely Europes fault. The thing which highlighted the problem with the Euro Currency was something made entirely in America. When something shyte runs in a smooth environment its not that bad...but when the same shyte is expected to work in a harsh environment, the cracks become more evident.

Thirdly...What Germany should be doing is exactly what England is doing. Basically, if you go into the European Union, and there are problems then you can either abide by your duties to bail out the problem Governments...OR you basically refuse to help them point blank. If Germany took the same stance that England did when we basically vetoed a European policy on the first step to full on Federation...two things would happen...firstly...those who couldnt support themselves would have to leave the Union...and that would benefit the Union! Secondly, the Euro might crumble...

But the Euro will probably crumble anyway because this thing simply cant stop leaking. The reason noone wants to end this is NOT coz they are afraid of some kinda anarchy...far from it...they are frightened that if, say Greece left the Union, its status might improve, improve so well its better to be out of the Union...and before you know it...the whole Union would be collapsing because States will recognise its better to go it alone, then be in a kinda socialistic network.

Germany is frightened that if the union collapses, it will not have power, or the luxury level of power it has now with ease. They are also fighting for the Establishment...this isnt just about the currency...if the currency fails, or someone leaves and becomes better off...how long before the European Parliament faulters? They love to sit in big offices...make sweeping rules, and pay themselves bankers bonuses...do they want this crisis to end with their obliteration?

Finally...regardless of the issues...surely you dont think its okay to run roughshod over other first world country democrasies via financial blackmail? I mean We arent talking a socialist government, we arent talking a third world country...Germany changed the Italian Government...is that okay??

Where do you draw the line on interference with other states...lets look at the Arab Spring...does the US Press report anymore about Egypt? because they should....Egypt was run by President Hosni Mubarack, a Dictator, who whilst treating his citizens poorly didnt commit mass genocide, and was extremely liberal in his islamism, he was friends, and supported the Western powers...including America, including England...He has boarders with Israel who we all want to protect...so its important to have an allied force in Egypt.

Soooo...we hand over to a Military Government...fair enough...but what now that the results of the "democratic ellection" have told the world that the people of Egypt want a possible Islamic State! as...in Sharia and Iran type of State! The West stood by and let a reasonable prospect be wiped out for less reasons then many they ignore (like Syria for example) and praise Democrasy....and now the people have spoken, and its an ANTI-WESTERN result.

Huzzah! we've just made the land next to Israel one for The Muslim Brotherhood.

Should we REALLY be proud about that? and what are our options...shall we take out this newly ellected deomcrasy coz they didnt vote in someone better then the one we got rid of?

I havent heard Barack Obama speak about the Arab Spring now its hit Syria, I havent heard Barack Obama speak about the results of the Egyptian ellection...

I dont know...international politics is a nightmare at the best of times...and in the age of Empire, all was fair in love and war...but...we arent in the age of Empire anymore...our attitudes to that changed because of Germany...the United Nations, The European Union...all these things came about to stop this kind of Empire Building and unilateral interference...but institutions morph...and those the reamain become powerless to do their jobs