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Tyburn
05-11-2012, 08:14 PM
Soooo they tell me that Barack Obama is appealing to the "Pink Pound" in order to try and win the ellection. Incase you didnt know their are so many Homosexuals around that once they discover each other they have a tendancy to only do trade with each other, sometimes that means that a certain amount of money is always flowing between homosexuals and it starts to reflect an internal economy.

I heard that In order to try and win the ellection by votes AND to raise money for his campaign, out of nowhere, Barack Obama has suddenly decided that he thinks Gay Marriage is fantastic, and sure enough all the gays are giving him their money...and maybe their vote.

Are people REALLY that dumb over there?? oh wait...they ellected him based entirely on his oratory performance before... :unsure-1:

rearnakedchoke
05-11-2012, 09:11 PM
in the end, the americans will vote him in because he is the best candidate for the job ... just like they did last election ... so get ready for another 4 years of him ...
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/B/S/2/obama-smooth2.jpg

rearnakedchoke
05-11-2012, 09:12 PM
in the end, the americans will vote him in because he is the best candidate for the job ... just like they did last election ... so get ready for another 4 years of him ...
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/B/S/2/obama-smooth2.jpg

+1

VCURamFan
05-11-2012, 09:48 PM
+1
Did you really just "+1" yourself?

That's about the saddest thing I think I've ever seen. :sad:

Vizion
05-11-2012, 09:49 PM
Smooth you say? Look at the picture - he's "faking cool". The guy sucks.

I believe he may even be a forerunner to the anti-christ the way some people idolize him as though he were a messiah.

I'd take the Mormon over him any day of the week. Obama has been a colossal disaster.

rearnakedchoke
05-12-2012, 12:33 AM
Did you really just "+1" yourself?

That's about the saddest thing I think I've ever seen. :sad:

yes i did :sad:

but i wanted to see that obama pic again ....

Vizion
05-12-2012, 12:56 AM
yes i did :sad:

but i wanted to see that obama pic again ....
Are you black? Many blacks I know are blindly devoted to Obama :laugh:
I don't know if you're black, but clearly you're very blind :wink:

NateR
05-12-2012, 01:09 AM
+1

I really have trouble figuring out why a Canadian would be so emotionally invested in an American politician. Are you sure this isn't a "boy crush?"

NateR
05-12-2012, 01:11 AM
Soooo they tell me that Barack Obama is appealing to the "Pink Pound" in order to try and win the ellection. Incase you didnt know their are so many Homosexuals around that once they discover each other they have a tendancy to only do trade with each other, sometimes that means that a certain amount of money is always flowing between homosexuals and it starts to reflect an internal economy.

I heard that In order to try and win the ellection by votes AND to raise money for his campaign, out of nowhere, Barack Obama has suddenly decided that he thinks Gay Marriage is fantastic, and sure enough all the gays are giving him their money...and maybe their vote.

Are people REALLY that dumb over there?? oh wait...they ellected him based entirely on his oratory performance before... :unsure-1:

Unfortunately, it appears that, yes, many Americans really are that dumb. Must be the close proximity to Canada that is bringing down our overall intelligence quotient. :rolleyes:

Vizion
05-12-2012, 01:12 AM
I really have trouble figuring out why a Canadian would be so emotionally invested in an American politician. Are you sure this isn't a "boy crush?"He must be black if he is that devoted :laugh: Because no one else I have met ever is. They see 1 thing: the color of Obama's skin - nothing else matters. At least to many of them (not all, not all, thank God).

rearnakedchoke
05-12-2012, 01:39 AM
no .. i am not black ..

rearnakedchoke
05-12-2012, 01:45 AM
He must be black if he is that devoted :laugh: Because no one else I have met ever is. They see 1 thing: the color of Obama's skin - nothing else matters. At least to many of them (not all, not all, thank God).

well, i think america is around 15% black, so obviously there were more than just blacks that voted for him ... there are only two people the americans could have put up as a candidate this year that could potentially do a better job than barack ... bobby jindal or eric cantor .....

flo
05-12-2012, 03:12 AM
in the end, the americans will vote him in because he is the best candidate for the job ... just like they did last election ... so get ready for another 4 years of him ...
http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/B/S/2/obama-smooth2.jpg

:laugh: Nice try, rnc. I hope you'll be here on election night. You see, we don't need someone smooth and incompetent; we need someone nerdy and capable.

Dave, his announcement did nothing but hurt him. Yes, some of the GLBT bundlers were holding back some $$$ but there is no doubt who they would vote for. He has around 90%+ of the black community supporting him; as a voting block, they are historically against gay marriage but I don't think it will lose him many votes there. He's more likely to lose more votes from the Hispanic community.

It actually helped Romney as evangelicals are more apt to vote repub after BO's announcement about his "evolved" position. The polls take 3 days to catch up with a major event/speech; today's polls show Romney ahead in the presidential race by 7%. :)

rockdawg21
05-12-2012, 06:59 AM
$15.7 trillion

http://www.usdebtclock.org/
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

Vizion
05-12-2012, 12:56 PM
Poor RNC...he just loves taking his lumps, doesn't he ??? :laugh::laugh:

Bonnie
05-12-2012, 05:25 PM
yes i did :sad:

but i wanted to see that obama pic again ....

:laugh:

+1 yourself...I love it! :laugh:

Tyburn
05-12-2012, 06:03 PM
Are you sure this isn't a "boy crush?"

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Tyburn
05-12-2012, 06:17 PM
Dave, his announcement did nothing but hurt him. Yes, some of the GLBT bundlers were holding back some $$$ but there is no doubt who they would vote for. He has around 90%+ of the black community supporting him; as a voting block, they are historically against gay marriage but I don't think it will lose him many votes there. He's more likely to lose more votes from the Hispanic community.

It actually helped Romney as evangelicals are more apt to vote repub after BO's announcement about his "evolved" position. The polls take 3 days to catch up with a major event/speech; today's polls show Romney ahead in the presidential race by 7%. :)

thats something the British Press pointed out. They worried that this has caused a division, and that might backfire on Barack...yes he might gain some votes and money from the Pink Pound so to speak...but the danger in this ellection is that it could well be the independant voters, who dont go for party politics but just go on the candidate that decide...what if he has offended more then he has gained by this.

Romney wants to say as little as possible about this, in terms of mentioning gays period. He should simply stress the family unit, blah...and he would do well to remind the world about the Health Bill...that divide went even through the Democrats...the democrats are so liberal, they may forget party loyalty if reminded of what one closed minded democrat did with the health reform, because largely to force the population was not very liberal of Barack, and if he is going to act like that, perhaps a republican isnt so bad...at least you know where you stand and what you're in with. There might also be some in the pink pound who fund, but wont vote because they may not be as dumb as they look. People tend to "use" the race and sexuality cards...actually some people dont like their private stuff used...it reeks of sleeze, and there is only one thing worse then being against homosexual marriage, and thats to pretend that you are for it to benefit yourself rather then the gays...it might be different if he promises things...but to make a wide assertion of support, that he can forget about...that wont fool the discerning who will be used to positive descrimination

We can but hope that all the republicans back their candidate, that half the gays are not convinced, that most of the independants are offended, and that some of the democrats are way to liberal for their parties own good.

I'm still unhappy about the mormon part though :unsure-1:

BradW
05-13-2012, 10:11 PM
Unfortunately, it appears that, yes, many Americans really are that dumb. Must be the close proximity to Canada that is bringing down our overall intelligence quotient. :rolleyes:

well i dont know if its Canada or not but something sure is dragging you guys down.:laugh:

Max
05-14-2012, 03:01 AM
if his opinions really have changed I see nothing wrong with him voicing his opinions. If he is doing it just to get votes, well then he would be just like every other politician who is full of s__t

NateR
05-14-2012, 03:09 AM
well i dont know if its Canada or not but something sure is dragging you guys down.:laugh:

You're right, it's gotta be Mexico. :laugh:

NateR
05-14-2012, 03:11 AM
if his opinions really have changed I see nothing wrong with him voicing his opinions. If he is doing it just to get votes, well then he would be just like every other politician who is full of s__t

It does feel like more of a political tactic than anything else. He's been criticized by a lot of Democrats for being too moderate, so I think it's an attempt to reconnect with his Liberal base before the election.

PRShrek
05-14-2012, 01:48 PM
'The First Gay President'
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/05/14/article-2143889-13131077000005DC-851_634x856.jpg
Lower case lol.

flo
05-14-2012, 06:13 PM
Lower case lol.

Lower case prez as well. The biggest surprise to me wasn't the slobbering, rainbow-haloed hero-worship but that Newsweek was still in publication. :)

rearnakedchoke
05-14-2012, 07:13 PM
Lower case prez as well. The biggest surprise to me wasn't the slobbering, rainbow-haloed hero-worship but that Newsweek was still in publication. :)

LOL .. that is a real front page???

PRShrek
05-14-2012, 08:38 PM
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/13608

flo
05-15-2012, 07:09 AM
LOL .. that is a real front page???

Yup. Pathetic, isn't it?

http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/13608

:laugh: Now THERE'S a great cover!

PRShrek
05-15-2012, 02:18 PM
:laugh: Now THERE'S a great cover!

Yes, an issue of Newsweek I would actually buy and read!

rearnakedchoke
05-15-2012, 04:22 PM
i think its great that barack obama is accepting and inclusive of all americans .. i think that most american voters will see this and vote him in for a second term ........

Bella79
05-15-2012, 04:27 PM
i think its great that barack obama is accepting and inclusive of all americans .. i think that most american voters will see this and vote him in for a second term ........

:rolleyes:Ain't gonna happen here!

rearnakedchoke
05-15-2012, 04:28 PM
:rolleyes:Ain't gonna happen here!

that's why i said most ..

PRShrek
05-15-2012, 04:45 PM
i think its great that barack obama is accepting and inclusive of all americans .. i think that most american voters will see this and vote him in for a second term ........

They already have all the same exact rights as everyone else, including the ‘right’ to have butsecs if that’s what they want to do, but now they want the laws rewritten to include special consideration and acceptance of their lifestyle, and Barack Obama is accepting and inclusive of that at a time when he should be focusing on finishing the war on terror and getting our economy back on track. I think that most American voters will see this and launch his butt back to Chicago.

flo
05-15-2012, 05:04 PM
i think its great that barack obama is accepting and inclusive of all americans .. i think that most american voters will see this and vote him in for a second term ........

He's accepting and inclusive of all people except Republicans, conservatives, wealthy people, gun owners, bible clingers, stockbrokers, bankers and coal workers.

Make sure you're here on November 7th, rnc, for the celebration :-)

But on a serious note, it's a typical liberal tactic/smear to imply that people who believe in traditional marriage are not accepting of GLBT. Nice try though.

rearnakedchoke
05-15-2012, 06:59 PM
He's accepting and inclusive of all people except Republicans, conservatives, wealthy people, gun owners, bible clingers, stockbrokers, bankers and coal workers.

Make sure you're here on November 7th, rnc, for the celebration :-)

But on a serious note, it's a typical liberal tactic/smear to imply that people who believe in traditional marriage are not accepting of GLBT. Nice try though.

i will be here to congratulate you my american friends on re-electing a great president!!!!!!!!!

Tyburn
05-15-2012, 07:46 PM
He's accepting and inclusive of all people except Republicans, conservatives, wealthy people, gun owners, bible clingers, stockbrokers, bankers and coal workers.
.

:laugh: No one should be accepting of them :angry:

I think that American People will give Barack Obama the boot, in much the same way, and for much the same reason, that the French gave Sarkozy the presidential boot today.

I hope however, that The Americans DO NOT vote in a socialist to replace him...like the French have done...yep, first Socialist President in France since the early 1990s...you'll remember the ones who poor Maggie has to deal with during the 1980s.

Not suprisingly, Francois Hollande was sworne in as President, Jumpped right on a plane and flew straight to Berlin to tell the German Chancellor just how much he dissagreed with her over the running of the Euro Crisis :laugh:

Who would have thought it might take a socialist to stand up against Germany?

Meanwhile the Greeks have failed to ellect a Government, saying that they dont want to be under occupation by Germany anymore. Yousee Germany has told them if they do not ellect a Government that will put in austerity measures, they can kiss their bail out package goodbye...if that happens Greece will crash out of the Euro and descend in to civil war....we are potentially weeks away from that, which could bring down the entire single currency and spoil the German Chancellors hope of Establishing a Fourth Reich.

The problem is...she's bang on about how to sort out the mess. If you are in debt you have to cut back, you cant borrow even more to pay the debt off. So I aggree with her on her methodology of solving the crisis...but I so thing she oversteps her Judicial boundaries in imposing things on the entire continent...when you can cause Governments to topple, and force Unity Governments in Italy...and you can threaten to refuse aid to a country unless they ellect people who will support you entirely...there is something gravely wrong IMHO...

Thats the problem with a German Takeaway...half an hour later your hungry for world domination :laugh: (Oh Ben...wherever you may be...THAT was a racist remark...but I couldnt help myself...I appologise to any Germans reading this...but Angela Merkel is a dictator, and whilst her policy is sound, she has no right to apply it beyond her boarders...mindue...now France, her biggest friend has changed their minds, even she might find herself unable to force measures.

rev
05-15-2012, 08:28 PM
:laugh: No one should be accepting of them :angry:

I think that American People will give Barack Obama the boot, in much the same way, and for much the same reason, that the French gave Sarkozy the presidential boot today.
I hope however, that The Americans DO NOT vote in a socialist to replace him...like the French have done...yep, first Socialist President in France since the early 1990s...you'll remember the ones who poor Maggie has to deal with during the 1980s.

Not suprisingly, Francois Hollande was sworne in as President, Jumpped right on a plane and flew straight to Berlin to tell the German Chancellor just how much he dissagreed with her over the running of the Euro Crisis :laugh:

Who would have thought it might take a socialist to stand up against Germany?

Meanwhile the Greeks have failed to ellect a Government, saying that they dont want to be under occupation by Germany anymore. Yousee Germany has told them if they do not ellect a Government that will put in austerity measures, they can kiss their bail out package goodbye...if that happens Greece will crash out of the Euro and descend in to civil war....we are potentially weeks away from that, which could bring down the entire single currency and spoil the German Chancellors hope of Establishing a Fourth Reich.

The problem is...she's bang on about how to sort out the mess. If you are in debt you have to cut back, you cant borrow even more to pay the debt off. So I aggree with her on her methodology of solving the crisis...but I so thing she oversteps her Judicial boundaries in imposing things on the entire continent...when you can cause Governments to topple, and force Unity Governments in Italy...and you can threaten to refuse aid to a country unless they ellect people who will support you entirely...there is something gravely wrong IMHO...

Thats the problem with a German Takeaway...half an hour later your hungry for world domination :laugh: (Oh Ben...wherever you may be...THAT was a racist remark...but I couldnt help myself...I appologise to any Germans reading this...but Angela Merkel is a dictator, and whilst her policy is sound, she has no right to apply it beyond her boarders...mindue...now France, her biggest friend has changed their minds, even she might find herself unable to force measures.

I hope you're right brother. I hope you're right.

NateR
05-16-2012, 02:40 AM
i will be here to congratulate you my american friends on re-electing a great president!!!!!!!!!

Look, we all know that you have a thing for Obama, but give it a rest already. You're comments are crossing the line into trolling and you are very close to getting yourself banned.

BradW
05-16-2012, 03:47 AM
They already have all the same exact rights as everyone else, including the ‘right’ to have butsecs if that’s what they want to do, but now they want the laws rewritten to include special consideration and acceptance of their lifestyle, and Barack Obama is accepting and inclusive of that at a time when he should be focusing on finishing the war on terror and getting our economy back on track. I think that most American voters will see this and launch his butt back to Chicago.

so you think its possible to finish the war on terror ?...interesting...

PRShrek
05-16-2012, 02:11 PM
so you think its possible to finish the war on terror ?...interesting...

With the current leadership, no.

However, it was possible to defeat the Klan in the South and Fascism in Europe, to think these things are not possible requires historical ignorance or a defeatist attitude or both.

rearnakedchoke
05-16-2012, 02:44 PM
Look, we all know that you have a thing for Obama, but give it a rest already. You're comments are crossing the line into trolling and you are very close to getting yourself banned.

LOL ..

Play The Man
05-16-2012, 04:48 PM
i will be here to congratulate you my american friends on re-electing a great president!!!!!!!!!

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/ramirez-ssm-lg.jpg

Go get a room!

flo
05-16-2012, 05:57 PM
Great cartoon! :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Bonnie
05-16-2012, 08:46 PM
They already have all the same exact rights as everyone else, including the ‘right’ to have butsecs if that’s what they want to do, but now they want the laws rewritten to include special consideration and acceptance of their lifestyle, and Barack Obama is accepting and inclusive of that at a time when he should be focusing on finishing the war on terror and getting our economy back on track. I think that most American voters will see this and launch his butt back to Chicago.

He certainly hasn't delivered on his promise of transparency within his administration, but he's certainly transparent.

The way I see it, if he truly believed in gay marriage, there would have been no need to "evolve". Someone should ask him if he believes in God and God's law. If he says he does, then he's lying about one or the other.

With the current leadership, no.

However, it was possible to defeat the Klan in the South and Fascism in Europe, to think these things are not possible requires historical ignorance or a defeatist attitude or both.

I don't think it's about ignoring history or having a defeatist attitude, it's about acknowledging the reality that we're dealing with a different kind of animal here. One that, short of annihilation (end of the world), is never going away...kind of like the gay issue.

Bonnie
05-17-2012, 02:39 AM
I'm watching "Hannity" right now and he is talking with Ed Klein who wrote, "The Amateur". He has some interesting things to say about his interview with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright who tells Klein some surprising things about Barack Obama. And he's got audio tape of the interview.

Anybody else watching?

BradW
05-17-2012, 02:41 AM
With the current leadership, no.

However, it was possible to defeat the Klan in the South and Fascism in Europe, to think these things are not possible requires historical ignorance or a defeatist attitude or both.

so you think i have a defeatist attitude and am ignorant to the history of the world....and you got all that from my post....thats even more interesting.

i could tell you why defeating terrorism isn't possible,but it wouldn't do any good...you seem to have already made up your mind on the subject.

flo
05-17-2012, 06:37 AM
I'm watching "Hannity" right now and he is talking with Ed Klein who wrote, "The Amateur". He has some interesting things to say about his interview with the Rev. Jeremiah Wright who tells Klein some surprising things about Barack Obama. And he's got audio tape of the interview.

Anybody else watching?

I was! Wow, what an eye-opener, eh Bonnie? Hard for the opposition to trash Klein when he's backed up his facts and has Wright on tape.

If our MSM were impartial, they'd be all over themselves to report/print the details instead of Romney's prank from half a century ago. Can you imagine if this was Bush?

I think the story will get legs; at least, I hope it does.

Bonnie
05-17-2012, 06:54 AM
I was! Wow, what an eye-opener, eh Bonnie? Hard for the opposition to trash Klein when he's backed up his facts and has Wright on tape.

If our MSM were impartial, they'd be all over themselves to report/print the details instead of Romney's prank from half a century ago. Can you imagine if this was Bush?

I think the story will get legs; at least, I hope it does.

From what I've read, the MSM just wants to trash Klein and talk about "his" credibility. You won't see them trashing Obama's credibility though.

I'm glad Klein has Rev Wright on tape; he has others on tape also from what he told Hannity. They are supposed to have more with Klein on Hannity tonight (Thursday) if anyone is interested. I can't wait to see what else he reveals and who else he got on tape.

I think we have a greater chance of being hit by a meteor in our backyard than we do of ever seeing impartiality by mainstream media.

flo
05-17-2012, 07:15 AM
From what I've read, the MSM just wants to trash Klein and talk about "his" credibility. You won't see them trashing Obama's credibility though.

I'm glad Klein has Rev Wright on tape; he has others on tape also from what he told Hannity. They are supposed to have more with Klein on Hannity tomorrow night if anyone is interested. I can't wait to see what else he reveals and who else he got on tape.

I think we have a greater chance of being hit by a meteor in our backyard than we do of ever seeing impartiality by mainstream media.

I think you're right, Bon, I don't know why I keep hoping for a different outcome from so-called 'journalists'...

PRShrek
05-17-2012, 01:49 PM
I don't think it's about ignoring history or having a defeatist attitude, it's about acknowledging the reality that we're dealing with a different kind of animal here. One that, short of annihilation (end of the world), is never going away...kind of like the gay issue.

I think that's understandable: Henry Kissinger, who is regarded as one of America’s brightest minds even by his enemies, said "The day of the United States is past and today is the day of the Soviet Union. My job as Secretary of State is to negotiate the most acceptable second-best position available."

That was right before things got all Reagan up'n heya!

PRShrek
05-17-2012, 01:50 PM
so you think i have a defeatist attitude and am ignorant to the history of the world....and you got all that from my post....thats even more interesting.

I was referring to the sentiment generally. You would of course know better than I would whether what I said applies to you.

BradW
05-18-2012, 02:09 AM
I was referring to the sentiment generally. You would of course know better than I would whether what I said applies to you.

so tell me then...who are you going to defeat in order to win the war on terror ?

Neezar
05-18-2012, 02:48 AM
so tell me then...who are you going to defeat in order to win the war on terror ?

I think he may have meant the war that we are in at the moment. Not the 'war on terror' in general. :rolleyes:


Even if he isn't, you are beating a hornet's nest. :laugh:

BradW
05-18-2012, 12:07 PM
I think he may have meant the war that we are in at the moment. Not the 'war on terror' in general. :rolleyes:




oh,so if you win the war you are in at the moment then terrorists will be no more...didn't realize the solution was so simple.
carry on then.:laugh:

Neezar
05-18-2012, 12:57 PM
oh,so if you win the war you are in at the moment then terrorists will be no more...didn't realize the solution was so simple.
carry on then.:laugh:

No. :rolleyes: Are you willfully being obtuse? Terrorism will never go away. Just like crime will never go away. That's why I think he was referring to the particular war that we are in right now. He misworded something and you pounced....like a bully. Imagine that!

rearnakedchoke
05-18-2012, 01:36 PM
No. :rolleyes: Are you willfully being obtuse? Terrorism will never go away. Just like crime will never go away. That's why I think he was referring to the particular war that we are in right now. He misworded something and you pounced....like a bully. Imagine that!

jeez brad .. we already have one canadian on this forum that people are used to being difficult .. don't let them know that we are all like this .....

PRShrek
05-18-2012, 01:51 PM
No. :rolleyes: Are you willfully being obtuse? Terrorism will never go away. Just like crime will never go away. That's why I think he was referring to the particular war that we are in right now. He misworded something and you pounced....like a bully. Imagine that!

I didn’t miss-word anything, and I’m not sure he pounced so much as sulked like a butt hurt weasel.

When I said we should win the war I meant we should break all their toys, turn over their sand box and crush their dreams, total annihilation is not required. We whupped fascism like it was Frank Trigg, yet fascism still exists. Same for the KKK, soviet communism, the Mafia, and Jimmy Carter.

Tyburn
05-18-2012, 06:57 PM
I hope you're right brother. I hope you're right.

So do I :laugh:

Tyburn
05-18-2012, 07:16 PM
With the current leadership, no.

However, it was possible to defeat the Klan in the South and Fascism in Europe, to think these things are not possible requires historical ignorance or a defeatist attitude or both.

You cant defeat Terrorism because the only way to do it is to remove freedom completely.

Whilst you let freedom rule, you run the risk of rebellion.

The problem with Terrorism is that its an extreme form of gurilla warfare. We arent using the olde battlefield model anymore, and it only take one single human being to be determined enough. Even in the unorthodox style of battles before there has always been a target, a physical structure to distroy...Terrorism can be done by a single person, who just one day wakes up and decides to hurt someone...look at the guy who this very week is on trial in the baltic for killing all those students at a political get away on that island in scandinavia. He pretty much decided he was going to kill them all, got the resources, and off he went.

Not even America can stop that sort of thing happening.

Contrary to popular US opinion, the "war on terror" did not start in 2001...in one way or another its been going on for millenia (albiet mainly state sponsored) Even in terms of strategic studies, its been around as a component since the 1700s as an aid to battlefield orthodoxy.

In the future it will get worse, why? coz the society we live in gets more relativistic, the morals get more looosed, and the technology gets more advanced.

It was a foolish title to have used, and one that particular administration came to regret because the very essence of the claim is quite what irritates some to action...not to mention naughty states jumping on the bandwagon for political purposes...ive seen states do that several times, which is deplorable and takes a mild issue and blows it all out of proportion.

Incidently...who claims Facism has been distroyed in Europe :huh: To the best of my knowledge the Russians are still prevelent, re-invading areas they think belong to them, or turning on and off power supplies to former members of the USSR, the Balkans are still as unstable as they were before...someone uttered that Serbia is going to become part of some other country soon, or something, will they NEVER learn? oh, and one of the Butchers of Bosnia is at the hague this week charged with crimes against humanity. Iran is STILL playing silly buggers with its atomic project, Israel and Palestine are still winding each other up out of spite and petty point scoring, Syria is still using deadly force against protestors to halt the arab spring in its country, ceasefire or no ceasefire. Greece is about a month away for civil war, the Euro single currency probably wont be around by Christmas, England is back in recession. The mass gunman is being taken to court in the baltic...and do we want to talk about the German Chancellors hunger in the European Union, or the socialist French President whose about to piss on everyones parade at the G8 in washington soon?

Iraq is not doing quite as badly as everyone suspected, Afghanistan not as good as everyone had hoped. There is talk of a European Army, I havent heard from the north atlantic treaty organisation since the start of this year...and where the hell is the United Nations...is it in recess already??

We're all under austerity budgits and mass nationalization of assets that would make any American constituionalist cringe.

Still...at least Adolf Hitlers dead hey :laugh:

Tyburn
05-18-2012, 07:28 PM
We whupped fascism like it was Frank Trigg,.

"we" ? You mean you helpped...better late then never one supposes with the Germans...but as for the Russians, dont fool yourself...winning because the other team implodes of their own accord doesnt mean you "whupped" them :laugh:

Have any of you even realized what happened last week in Russia?? Do you guys have no opinion on Vladamir Putin...who just jumps roles to stay in power through bogus ellections...supported by Fedor Emelianenko no less :ninja: Why at one of his battles about a year ago (one he actually won :laugh: ) the Russian President himself graced the ring to bring him his reward...the crowd was so thunderous apparently selective editing of the background chants had to take place. Me thinks they were rather unkind about poor Vlad :laugh::laugh:

Tyburn
05-18-2012, 07:35 PM
After being President for sooooooo long, Putin had to take time out to be prime minister before he could become President again...as he did last week. look where his ellection campaign took him :laugh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Bt0q4tk_Q

Incidently...Fedor had just beaten an American...:ninja: How very...Russian...of him :laugh: (not that Vald looked confident that Fedor would win during the fight as you can see :laugh::laugh:) (yes that is the same two seconds of applause you hear in the audio track...its all that they could manage to keep bearing in mind the rest of the applause was made up of vocalizations against Putins re-ellection campaign :rolleyes: )

PRShrek
05-18-2012, 08:35 PM
"we" ? You mean you helpped...better late then never one supposes with the Germans...

That’s what ‘we’ means, look it up. Better late than never? We were supposed to invade at the first sign of trouble, right? I can only imagine what you’d be saying now if we had!

...but as for the Russians, dont fool yourself...winning because the other team implodes of their own accord doesnt mean you "whupped" them :laugh:

In a political war between competing economic systems, that’s exactly what it means.:laugh:

And you may have noted, they were doing absolutely no imploding of their own accord before Reagan started pushing back.

PRShrek
05-18-2012, 08:42 PM
Incidently...who claims Facism has been distroyed in Europe :huh: To the best of my knowledge the Russians are still prevelent, re-invading areas they think belong to them, or turning on and off power supplies to former members of the USSR, the Balkans are still as unstable as they were before...someone uttered that Serbia is going to become part of some other country soon, or something, will they NEVER learn? oh, and one of the Butchers of Bosnia is at the hague this week charged with crimes against humanity. Iran is STILL playing silly buggers with its atomic project, Israel and Palestine are still winding each other up out of spite and petty point scoring, Syria is still using deadly force against protestors to halt the arab spring in its country, ceasefire or no ceasefire. Greece is about a month away for civil war, the Euro single currency probably wont be around by Christmas, England is back in recession. The mass gunman is being taken to court in the baltic...and do we want to talk about the German Chancellors hunger in the European Union, or the socialist French President whose about to piss on everyones parade at the G8 in washington soon?

Using the fact that bad things still happen in the world to support an assertion that Fascism in Europe was not defeated is... :blink: ...tell you what, look up “WWII” and scroll down to the bottom; the conclusion is a matter of record.

By the way, freedom is not the cause of rebellion, it is the antidote.

Tyburn
05-18-2012, 09:46 PM
1)That’s what ‘we’ means, look it up. Better late than never? We were supposed to invade at the first sign of trouble, right? I can only imagine what you’d be saying now if we had!



In a political war between competing economic systems, that’s exactly what it means.:laugh:

And you may have noted, they were doing absolutely no imploding of their own accord before Reagan started pushing back.

1) forgive me...but when Americans generally say that about the war they are more or less exclusively talking about themselves.

2) It would have been nice for your Government to have acted as soon as the major Allied forces declaired war. It looks a little bad that you ignored the war, waited until the entire continent was lost, and then, when they finally bought the war to you, you advanced and were their for the victory. Call it sour grapes, but its the prevelent european thought...some of us lost our superpower status because we put everything into that fight...some of us gave comparatively little and ended up with the most after the fight simply because of how much the rest of us had been reduced. Our superpower status was over three hundred years old...less then a century after the war and your fast looosing yours.

3) You had a stand off with them and they buckled under internal pressure. You did not fight them. You gestured, you gesticulated, you aimed your rockets etc...but you didnt walk over their and crush them. You just stared them down until they had an enternal squabble. There is no need to get gungho about things like that...in essence you two played silly beggers like Iran is doing right now...I suppose your whuppin their asses right now also :huh:

BradW
05-18-2012, 09:55 PM
No. :rolleyes: Are you willfully being obtuse? Terrorism will never go away. Just like crime will never go away. That's why I think he was referring to the particular war that we are in right now. He misworded something and you pounced....like a bully. Imagine that!

somebody said that Obama cant win the war on terror but if someone else was in power they could...and you think i was being a bully because i disagreed and said so ?...:rolleyes:

give me a break....you know as well as i do the only way to win the war on terror is to kill every man woman and child on the planet...and even that probably wouldn't do it.

eventually you would have to kill off most of the animals as well.

Tyburn
05-18-2012, 09:56 PM
1)Using the fact that bad things still happen in the world to support an assertion that Fascism in Europe was not defeated is... :blink: ...tell you what, look up “WWII” and scroll down to the bottom; the conclusion is a matter of record.

2)By the way, freedom is not the cause of rebellion, it is the antidote.

1) well, as your Government invented the term, they are free to declaire themselves the victors anytime they please. Whenever you get bored you can say...well we did iraq, we did afghanistan, we won the war on terror.

incidently, every day your enemies can grow, and attack inspite of a claim like that because you cant eradicate terrorism completely

2) Wrong. What happened when GOD gave too much freedom to the Host? What happened when GOD gave freedom to man? Rebellion. Give people the minds to do what they want and they will exert a will, that will only need conflict with someone elses will...and you have a battle.

Study your Nietzsche...the Will to power, the Will to knowledge...its the only thing that rings true out of his philosophies.

The safest thing is a benign dictatorship where people live in a state of utopic unknowing...thats what the Garden of Eden was before the two ate...incidently you will recall the name of the tree "The Knowledge of Goodness and Evil" the freedom to choose rightly or wrongly.

The good news is that true love can not exist without freedom, because it has to be a choice.

Put too much freedom in all the wrong places and you create something eqaully as bad as anything the freedom can liberate from. Anarchy is unpleasent, relativism is tasteless, No....Freedom is the very last thing you want to give anyone with a brain, incase they turn round and use it. Even GOD gives laws to his Freedom. He is for all intense and purposes a benign dictator who we voluntarily choose to follow. His "Freedom" is not without cost to either the two of the relationship.

Freedom isnt free...and is extremely dangerous.

Tyburn
05-18-2012, 10:04 PM
I will never forget the baby Zebra Finches...they existed for the first eight days of their lives completely blind, completely featherless, and completely unable to keep heat. They couldnt walk around, only shuffle. They existed, they sat silently until something touched them, then they flapped wildly around.

On the Eighth day they opened their eyes, and something increadible happened. They decided they wanted to do things. They gained a will. They looked and for the first time they saw...and then they desired.

Eight days, and they had gone from existance as a vegetable, to existance as awareness.

The transistion was immediate...the eyes opened, and they suddenly had something they didnt before, and everything else hinged on that, their desire to move, their desire to fly, everything became a matter of want.

In some ways they were so much easier to deal with when blind. they caused no fuss...but in another way, they werent fully responsive...that is to say, they were responsive when you touched them...but other then that, it was all stimulas and response. When they opened their eyes and decided they wanted to perch on your finger, as an act of choice, that was so much more fun.

I wonder if thats how GOD feels, and why he would risk everything in the hope a few would come back of their own accord, rather then having a mass case of stimulas and response...

Neezar
05-19-2012, 05:36 AM
somebody said that Obama cant win the war on terror but if someone else was in power they could...and you think i was being a bully because i disagreed and said so ?...:rolleyes:



Yep.

Neezar
05-19-2012, 05:37 AM
:laugh: Sorry, Brad.

Neezar
05-19-2012, 05:39 AM
I didn’t miss-word anything,.......

Look! I gave you a perfectly good out on this. And now look what you've done! You have dragged Dave into this! :doh:

flo
05-19-2012, 06:31 AM
eventually you would have to kill off most of the animals as well.

I don't want to get into this discussion but I have to say I smiled when I read that part, Brad.

no, no, not the animals, anything but that!!!

Bonnie
05-19-2012, 06:37 AM
Look! I gave you a perfectly good out on this. And now look what you've done! You have dragged Dave into this! :doh:

:laugh: