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Tyburn
03-22-2009, 09:46 AM
:huh:

Did you know that the firs Concentration camp was opened by the head of the SS stationed in Munich in 1933, LONG before the start of the war.

Did you know he opened it to punish and murder political prisoners of the Nazi in an effort to try and impress Hitler for the sole purpose of being transfered to Berlin

Do you know why he wanted to be in Berlin?

Because the SS were engaged in a power struggle with the Gestapo. The Gestapo were the general police spefically under the authority of the guy who was incharge of Prussia but based in Berlin and he was collecting titles and being put incharge of Ministries. The head of the SS wanted to gain power aswell. The SS were the special forces.

Do you know this power struggle pre war involved a THIRD force. The SA? Has anyone ever heard of the SA? apparently they were somekinda socialist Army that were called "Brown coats" and they were quite local to Berlin. They were nasty and ruthless, torturing and murdering. and the SS and Gestapo feared they might turn on the Nazi party also.

Anyway, so when the second Concentration camp was set up by the SS, with the head playing on the fact that Hitler was paranoid of assasination, the Gestapo fired back by sending officers to "inspect" the camps. The SS men wouldnt let them in and then shot them...forcing Hitler to close the Camps.



The SS won the power Struggle when the guy owning Prussia basically gave in to their demands, and the SS Gestapo Merged, to face the SA (all prior to the War)

Funny because we are always taught about what a united band of Dictators the Nazi party was, but actually they were a waring and power hungry band of competitors for Adolfs Favour. To gain his support, they would smush other senior leaders in their own party :blink:

Tyburn
03-22-2009, 10:00 AM
Did you know also that Auswitz and Treblinka, the two biggest Concentration Camps in German History were in constant competition?

1942-1943 a great war between Auswitz and Treblinka who had opposing medical teams who hated one another, to see whose camp could kill the most jews at once, and the largest number of deaths per year. In 1942 with over
7K Treblinka won...and then Mengler joined Auswitz and in 1943 Auswitz took the top spot and remained in the lead until the Allied Forces stompped on it.

Does anyone think this is MORE evil then just trying to wipe out an ethnic group? the fact they were in competition and kept building, and rebuilding, and redesigning their complexes in order to kill more efficiently with a larger capacity?

Killing the Jews wasnt just something to be done...they seemed to use if as a challenge, who could kill the most in as shorter time as possible :cry:

Tyburn
03-22-2009, 10:22 AM
here is another unfortunate fact.

Hitler claimed the best moment of his life was when the British aggreed to let him off the Versaile treaty which limited his Military. There is another reason why he was going to put King Edward back on the throne.

Hitler admired the British because of their Empire. When Europe Was Conqured, Hitler was gonna split it in two, and let England under King Edward rule half.

He brought in fox hunting, and country estates, trying to mimick the British Aristocratic :unsure-1: WELL before the war, Adolf kept trying to send Ambassidors to England...which...We happened to reject

Even during the War, Adolf said that Conquring Russia would be as great for Germany as Conquring India had been for the British Empire...and when he went to his retreat...he used to watch old British War films :mellow:

Tyburn
03-22-2009, 10:54 AM
Even England was fooled by Hitler.

When Hitler marches into Austria, Austria embraced him, because they were all German speaking. Then Hitler asked for a small portion of Check Republic, again, this was German speaking and the people welcomed him

Already, Ludwig Beck, one of the Greatest Military Minds of the Century had appealed to the British, to support him and a few rogue Nazi. But Hitler promised he was only trying to unite the German speaking people under him.



And then Hitler prooved himself a liar. He invited the Check Republic President to his place in Berlin, kept him waiting...for hours (seen as most rude) and then told him that the German Army would invade, he could sign over the land...or...not. The President had not much choice...but the welcome into Check Republic was not a happy one, and the crowds stood silent.

England warned Germany that if they dared to go after Poland, there would be war.

but it was already to late :sad:

rockdawg21
03-22-2009, 03:17 PM
:huh:

Did you know that the firs Concentration camp was opened by the head of the SS stationed in Munich in 1933, LONG before the start of the war.

Did you know he opened it to punish and murder political prisoners of the Nazi in an effort to try and impress Hitler for the sole purpose of being transfered to Berlin

Do you know why he wanted to be in Berlin?

Because the SS were engaged in a power struggle with the Gestapo. The Gestapo were the general police spefically under the authority of the guy who was incharge of Prussia but based in Berlin and he was collecting titles and being put incharge of Ministries. The head of the SS wanted to gain power aswell. The SS were the special forces.

Do you know this power struggle pre war involved a THIRD force. The SA? Has anyone ever heard of the SA? apparently they were somekinda socialist Army that were called "Brown coats" and they were quite local to Berlin. They were nasty and ruthless, torturing and murdering. and the SS and Gestapo feared they might turn on the Nazi party also.

Anyway, so when the second Concentration camp was set up by the SS, with the head playing on the fact that Hitler was paranoid of assasination, the Gestapo fired back by sending officers to "inspect" the camps. The SS men wouldnt let them in and then shot them...forcing Hitler to close the Camps.



The SS won the power Struggle when the guy owning Prussia basically gave in to their demands, and the SS Gestapo Merged, to face the SA (all prior to the War)

Funny because we are always taught about what a united band of Dictators the Nazi party was, but actually they were a waring and power hungry band of competitors for Adolfs Favour. To gain his support, they would smush other senior leaders in their own party :blink:
I already knew about this in high school, but it wasn't taught until I went to college, so a large number of Americans still symbolize the Nazi Party as a bunch of tyrants. The same is said about the Baath Party in Iraq, when really, many members opposed Saddam Hussein as a young man, but many were intimidated by him.

rockdawg21
03-22-2009, 03:19 PM
Even England was fooled by Hitler.

When Hitler marches into Austria, Austria embraced him, because they were all German speaking. Then Hitler asked for a small portion of Check Republic, again, this was German speaking and the people welcomed him

Already, Ludwig Beck, one of the Greatest Military Minds of the Century had appealed to the British, to support him and a few rogue Nazi. But Hitler promised he was only trying to unite the German speaking people under him.



And then Hitler prooved himself a liar. He invited the Check Republic President to his place in Berlin, kept him waiting...for hours (seen as most rude) and then told him that the German Army would invade, he could sign over the land...or...not. The President had not much choice...but the welcome into Check Republic was not a happy one, and the crowds stood silent.

England warned Germany that if they dared to go after Poland, there would be war.

but it was already to late :sad:
Don't worry, eventually, Obama is embraced by the British because he speaks English. Eventually, he's going to ask for a small portion of Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and some of the Cayman Islands. You guys are so screwed! :tongue0011:

Tyburn
03-22-2009, 03:25 PM
Don't worry, eventually, Obama is embraced by the British because he speaks English. Eventually, he's going to ask for a small portion of Wales, Scotland, Ireland, and some of the Cayman Islands. You guys are so screwed! :tongue0011:
:laugh: :laugh:

He can have Wales...and I think you mean Channel Islands...the Caymans are off your south coast I believe :rolleyes:

Yes...some of the Nazi party seemed alright, many of them were Nazi before the War, and are Military men. Some of the Nazi seem to be alright because they are proficient in their field of knowledge, the guy who was incharge of making Hitlers ideologies about employment for all..was a clever economist.

But then some Nazi were worse then Hitler, I mean, the SS Himmler, I think his name was...and is it Goebells...or something like that...some of them were power hungry mobsters, who didnt care about the party, and only cared about Adolf because getting close to him, could get them more power at the expense of another party member.

Hardly a United front. Certainly not united on any party ideology. If Hitler had maintained peace, the country would have ended in civil disputes if you ask me, they were all chomping at the bit to clamber higher then the next official...and if Hitler had have won the war...I think as soon as peace returned, other party members would have challenged him.

Its easy to fear someone who has autonomous power and kills anyone who speaks against him, especially when he looks like he's going somewhere...or at war. But during peace...thats a different story.

rockdawg21
03-22-2009, 03:49 PM
:laugh: :laugh:

He can have Wales...and I think you mean Channel Islands...the Caymans are off your south coast I believe :rolleyes:

Yes...some of the Nazi party seemed alright, many of them were Nazi before the War, and are Military men. Some of the Nazi seem to be alright because they are proficient in their field of knowledge, the guy who was incharge of making Hitlers ideologies about employment for all..was a clever economist.

But then some Nazi were worse then Hitler, I mean, the SS Himmler, I think his name was...and is it Goebells...or something like that...some of them were power hungry mobsters, who didnt care about the party, and only cared about Adolf because getting close to him, could get them more power at the expense of another party member.

Hardly a United front. Certainly not united on any party ideology. If Hitler had maintained peace, the country would have ended in civil disputes if you ask me, they were all chomping at the bit to clamber higher then the next official...and if Hitler had have won the war...I think as soon as peace returned, other party members would have challenged him.

Its easy to fear someone who has autonomous power and kills anyone who speaks against him, especially when he looks like he's going somewhere...or at war. But during peace...thats a different story.
Nope, I mean the Cayman Islands (Grand Cayman, Cayman Brac, and Little Cayman), in particular, Grand Cayman. We want the banks that's holding all of our billionaires' dollars so we can tax them. In case you didn't know, many U.S. billionaires put their money in banks at Grand Cayman to avoid paying taxes on them. Obama's all about stealing from the rich (Marxist's theory on "spreading the wealth") so it's important for our economy that they get taxed on all of that money. It's all part of our master plan :laugh:

Tyburn
03-22-2009, 05:48 PM
Nope, I mean the Cayman Islands (Grand Cayman, Cayman Brac, and Little Cayman), in particular, Grand Cayman. We want the banks that's holding all of our billionaires' dollars so we can tax them. In case you didn't know, many U.S. billionaires put their money in banks at Grand Cayman to avoid paying taxes on them. Obama's all about stealing from the rich (Marxist's theory on "spreading the wealth") so it's important for our economy that they get taxed on all of that money. It's all part of our master plan :laugh:
:blink: Obama is gonna be sorely dissapointed. Firstly, not sure Britain has any multimillionaire...secondly...if we did, they would use Switzerland not the Caymen Islands. Caymen and Switzerland are the big financial depositories for funds like that...and Englands bound to use Europe because its...closer to us and further from Obama :laugh:

But...you know what they say "today the caymens...tommorow..the world :ninja: " :laugh: :laugh:

atomdanger
03-22-2009, 06:33 PM
Yepp, I knew all this.

Not only do I watch a lot of History channel, but I like learning about wwII.
They're are actually a movement of white supremacists who call themselves brown coats in the US, they're on the news every once and a while trying to have a parade or something.

Tyburn
03-22-2009, 06:54 PM
Yepp, I knew all this.

Not only do I watch a lot of History channel, but I like learning about wwII.
They're are actually a movement of white supremacists who call themselves brown coats in the US, they're on the news every once and a while trying to have a parade or something.
The programme finished before I heard what happened to the SA...I assume they got smushed, because you only ever hear of the SS during the war dont you...the power struggle must have ended in their favour.

I do know interestingly though, that the Nazi party tune, which is not the national anthem, and is obviously at least a decade prior to the second world war doesnt mention the Gestapo, OR the SS....but it make frequent mention to the SA :ninja:

my guess is Hitler used the SA as part of his communistic guise to get into power...then just before the war allowed the SS to smush the threat...but thats just my guess :laugh:

rockdawg21
03-22-2009, 09:33 PM
:blink: Obama is gonna be sorely dissapointed. Firstly, not sure Britain has any multimillionaire...secondly...if we did, they would use Switzerland not the Caymen Islands. Caymen and Switzerland are the big financial depositories for funds like that...and Englands bound to use Europe because its...closer to us and further from Obama :laugh:

But...you know what they say "today the caymens...tommorow..the world :ninja: " :laugh: :laugh:
I said, "OUR" billionaires' money, meaning Americans. It's well known, at least in the U.S., that many of our billionaires hide their earnings in the banks at Grand Cayman to avoid taxation.

Tyburn
03-22-2009, 10:22 PM
I said, "OUR" billionaires' money, meaning Americans. It's well known, at least in the U.S., that many of our billionaires hide their earnings in the banks at Grand Cayman to avoid taxation.
:laugh: Ohhh. I understand now :)

Spiritwalker
03-22-2009, 11:16 PM
Did you know that there was an American Nazi Party .. leading up to and during WWII?


http://johnphillipsphotography.com/CivRITESrm/57_kkk_55_CAPITOL_1965_RM.jpg


http://img.stern.de/_content/59/69/596994/malcom_500_500.jpg

Tyburn
03-22-2009, 11:19 PM
Did you know that there was an American Nazi Party .. leading up to and during WWII?


http://johnphillipsphotography.com/CivRITESrm/57_kkk_55_CAPITOL_1965_RM.jpg


http://img.stern.de/_content/59/69/596994/malcom_500_500.jpg
You know what always makes me laugh about Nazi party officials?

the fact VERY few of THEM were Aryan...those guys look...to American..I dont know...are you saying the Nazi party was a Governmental party in Congress or something :huh:

rockdawg21
03-22-2009, 11:23 PM
:laugh: Ohhh. I understand now :)
Besides, Grand Cayman is awesome! We want to steal your stingray tourism :rotfl:

Spiritwalker
03-23-2009, 12:28 AM
You know what always makes me laugh about Nazi party officials?

the fact VERY few of THEM were Aryan...those guys look...to American..I dont know...are you saying the Nazi party was a Governmental party in Congress or something :huh:

Came real close at one point.. but no.

Tyburn
03-23-2009, 12:29 AM
Came real close at one point.. but no.
are they still a political lobby group in the US?

or are they now just a social movement instead :huh:

atomdanger
03-23-2009, 01:54 AM
The programme finished before I heard what happened to the SA...I assume they got smushed, because you only ever hear of the SS during the war dont you...the power struggle must have ended in their favour.

I do know interestingly though, that the Nazi party tune, which is not the national anthem, and is obviously at least a decade prior to the second world war doesnt mention the Gestapo, OR the SS....but it make frequent mention to the SA :ninja:

my guess is Hitler used the SA as part of his communistic guise to get into power...then just before the war allowed the SS to smush the threat...but thats just my guess :laugh:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung

Tyburn
03-23-2009, 02:22 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung
You could have just told me

"Correct"

:laugh:

So the SA helped the Nazi party get to power, then proved to big a threat, so after the SS had swallowed up the Gastapo...they smushed the SA aswell.

These instituions and their leaders are SO predictable :rolleyes: