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VCURamFan
01-23-2012, 03:38 AM
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Before everyone starts their 'Dude, WTF' threads across MMA message boards, let me give you a brief rundown of what I believe Lorenzo Fertitta was thinking when he wrote this letter to Congressman Lamar Smith in support of the SOPA act that we at MiddleEasy are vehemently against.

Over the last decade, we witnessed online piracy literally dismantle the music industry. With the advent of Napster, college kids choked the bandwidth of their dorms downloading overrated albums from artists like 'Ben Folds Five.' Admit it, we all did. Granted, it's tough to consider it 'stealing' when the items we took weren't even tangible. The music industry knew sales were in a massive decline, so they did what any industry would do if they had a seemingly endless amount of money and K-1 level lawyers -- attack the people that were engaging in peer-to-peer sharing. Little old ladies were being detained by the FBI, kids across America were being arrested after school for 'stealing' -- it was just a giant mess. However, the detainment of citizens across the country only inspired more people to illegally download content and sparked a surge in new P2P technologies. The 'iron fist' approach backfired for the music industry, and they realized their approach must change. Production companies begin working with internet-based companies to deliver their product to the people that would normally just jack it from the internet. Those people were now presented with a method to digitally download music legally (and at a higher quality), and we saw entities like the 'iTune store' become a common staple in Western culture.

In the past, ZUFFA has attacked (and continues to attack) websites established for the sole purpose of broadcasting live UFC events which undeniably undercuts revenue that could have been earned during the show. No one should be surprised by this. UFC operates on primarily a PPV business model with most of their undisclosed income coming from cable/satellite providers at a moderately priced rate. Without revenue accumulated from this model, the UFC would be a local Las Vegas promotion with an extreme obsession with geometrical shapes. A multitude of unnamed websites have been established across the net to give viewers free and illegal access to live UFC events while having the audacity to spam their sites with ads -- essentially making money off a product they stole.

That's screwed up.

Pretend like you don't have an annoying girlfriend and the lock on your car door works. Put yourself in Lorenzo Fertitta's shoes, a guy that literally resurrected a company on life support, burned through an unimaginable amount of money and finally made the company into what you see today. Now imagine a few rogue sites dipping in your pockets and removing potential money that could have been created from a live UFC event. Sure it affects you (remember, you're Lorenzo Fertitta in this example), but what about the entire underlying structure of the UFC? Fighter payouts (and bonuses) are lower. With less money, the overall production of UFC events are marginal at best. People will lose interest in a declining product and the sport we love will lose relevancy in the US. There would be no FOX deals. MMA fans would go through a steady bout of depression and eventually focus their energy in appreciating the fine aspects of rodeo as a sport.

By embracing Xbox 360 (and UFC.com) as a medium to deliver their product, the UFC has accepted that most people prefer to watch live events through digital means. That option is now present for potential consumers, and as we've seen with the music industry, it's a smart move. However, Mr. Lorenzo Fertitta, please stop supporting SOPA/PIPA or any variation of it from now until the sun kills the earth. We understood you're against piracy, and it makes complete sense that you are. But SOPA being the solution to stop piracy is like performing brain surgery with a medieval flail. It puts the fear of Dana White into rogue sites that stream UFC events, but it simultaneously robs the American people of our constitutional rights. SOPA is censorship. It's a freedom suppressor with the ability to completely remove entire domains from being accessed by everyone in the United States -- communist China style.

You know all of those slick YouTube highlight films created by phenomenal editors across the world which are aimed at increasing interest in the UFC product? Under SOPA, any site that posts these highlight videos (including MiddleEasy, The Underground, CagePotato and every other MMA message board you could think of) would be completely removed from the internet. We're not talking about a few pages being deleted from the site. Not at all. SOPA would have the power to censor an entire domain name.

I can only assume what was going through Lorenzo Fertitta's mind when he wrote this letter. He wanted to protect the interest of the UFC, but I'm assuming he wasn't aware of the severe ramifications that SOPA could have instituted on the American people (and the world). Based on that logic, Lorenzo Fertitta should get a pass on this one -- however, I could be completely wrong. Perhaps you should call me up, Lorenzo. Give MiddleEasy an exclusive interview on your stance on SOPA. I'm sure you can get my number from ZUFFA and I'm absolutely certain MMA fans that have supported the UFC for years would love to hear your stance.

Now check out Lorenzo Fertitta's letter that was sent to Lamar Smith, the chief sponsor of SOPA, which expressed the UFC's support of SOPA/PIPA. Oh, and to the readers out there -- you're not Lorenzo Fertitta anymore. That ended a few paragraphs ago. Now stop putting a down payment on the new Bugatti Grand Sport with money you no longer have. Sorry.

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VCURamFan
01-23-2012, 03:39 AM
And the result: http://www.mmamania.com/2012/1/22/2726054/ufc-com-hacked

Just hours ago, UFC.com was hacked by a group calling itself the Underground Nazi HackerGroup. Visiting the site simply led viewers to the picture you see above and a goofy song.

The UFC recently came out in vocal support for the anti-piracy legislation SOPA, which is what led to the hackers taking this action against their website.

According to the hacker's twitter account, his name is Josh Matthews. He was very upset about the shutdown of MegaUpload over SOPA, saying "how does the government have more power than us people?"

UFC President Dana White responded when asked on Twitter in a very peculiar way.

Dana White responds to the hacking:
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As of 6:45 p.m. EST the DNS seems to have been reset and UFC.com no longer loads. It's probably going to come back online shortly.

Here's a screenshot from 7:43 p.m. EST:
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Llamafighter
01-23-2012, 01:25 PM
And the result: http://www.mmamania.com/2012/1/22/2726054/ufc-com-hacked

I saw the UFC.com site was not working and sent Dana a twitter. so weird. didn't realize thsi was going on.

Bonnie
01-23-2012, 04:25 PM
Maybe Lorenzo did not realize the far reaching consequences these bills would have on everyone who uses the Internet including themselves. Likewise with Hollywood and other entertainment industries, I don't think they've considered the boomerang effect these bills would have on their own interests. As for Hollywood's political toadies in Washington doing their bidding, all they see is big campaign $$$$$$ and votes.

rockdawg21
01-23-2012, 05:15 PM
I saw the UFC.com site was not working and sent Dana a twitter. so weird. didn't realize thsi was going on.
Did he reply with "Who gives a ?"

Tyburn
01-23-2012, 05:56 PM
Lorenzo is only thinking about himself.

This is the biggest problem with the UFC, and its sad to see it eminating higher then Dana White.

Lorenzo would support a piracy act because the UFC want sole dominance over their material. The fact he would do that at the expense of the Censorship side of the Bill is worth noting...because the UFC only thinks about itself..NOT about its fans, and NOT about its fighters.

For example, The UFC double their output a year, and keep the prices the same making a fortune rather then showing some compassion towards their fans. They reply by putting their stuff on channels you have to pay extra for, or free facebook fights THAT DONT WORK FOR HALF THE VIEWERS

For Example, The UFC are desperate to expand into new countries, without first having a solid basis in any of them. Suddenly, the UFC dont do three outings to England anymore...only one...because they are too busy putting events on in Saudi, or Mongolia...or whatever. Their belief that expansion at the neglect of their fans is good, and the before example is driven by money.

Actually, they just want a nice tidy profit. Its most dissapointing to me, because I thought Lorenzo was actually a reasonable person. More reasonable then Dana maybe, but only on a scale of degrees.

Tyburn
01-23-2012, 06:08 PM
:laugh: Dana White basically saying "no comment" cracks me up somewhat :laugh:

rearnakedchoke
01-23-2012, 07:04 PM
Lorenzo is only thinking about himself.

This is the biggest problem with the UFC, and its sad to see it eminating higher then Dana White.

Lorenzo would support a piracy act because the UFC want sole dominance over their material. The fact he would do that at the expense of the Censorship side of the Bill is worth noting...because the UFC only thinks about itself..NOT about its fans, and NOT about its fighters.

For example, The UFC double their output a year, and keep the prices the same making a fortune rather then showing some compassion towards their fans. They reply by putting their stuff on channels you have to pay extra for, or free facebook fights THAT DONT WORK FOR HALF THE VIEWERS

For Example, The UFC are desperate to expand into new countries, without first having a solid basis in any of them. Suddenly, the UFC dont do three outings to England anymore...only one...because they are too busy putting events on in Saudi, or Mongolia...or whatever. Their belief that expansion at the neglect of their fans is good, and the before example is driven by money.

Actually, they just want a nice tidy profit. Its most dissapointing to me, because I thought Lorenzo was actually a reasonable person. More reasonable then Dana maybe, but only on a scale of degrees.

i think you should make a video blog or recap about it and send it to zuffa .. you may be able to sway them

County Mike
01-23-2012, 07:12 PM
Lorenzo is only thinking about himself.

This is the biggest problem with the UFC, and its sad to see it eminating higher then Dana White.

Lorenzo would support a piracy act because the UFC want sole dominance over their material. The fact he would do that at the expense of the Censorship side of the Bill is worth noting...because the UFC only thinks about itself..NOT about its fans, and NOT about its fighters.

For example, The UFC double their output a year, and keep the prices the same making a fortune rather then showing some compassion towards their fans. They reply by putting their stuff on channels you have to pay extra for, or free facebook fights THAT DONT WORK FOR HALF THE VIEWERS

For Example, The UFC are desperate to expand into new countries, without first having a solid basis in any of them. Suddenly, the UFC dont do three outings to England anymore...only one...because they are too busy putting events on in Saudi, or Mongolia...or whatever. Their belief that expansion at the neglect of their fans is good, and the before example is driven by money.

Actually, they just want a nice tidy profit. Its most dissapointing to me, because I thought Lorenzo was actually a reasonable person. More reasonable then Dana maybe, but only on a scale of degrees.

Can you believe these guys? Trying to be capitalists in America! How dare they! They should give away half of their earnings to a bunch of people who've done nothing to earn it.

VCURamFan
01-23-2012, 07:41 PM
Can you believe these guys? Trying to be capitalists in America! How dare they! They should give away half of their earnings to a bunch of people who've done nothing to earn it.
I know, right? It's so totally inappropriate for them to attempt to better their company! See, they don't understand the rest of the world. If they want to be globally loved, they've gotta become socialists & cow-tow to the lowest common denominator.

Tyburn
01-23-2012, 08:14 PM
I know, right? It's so totally inappropriate for them to attempt to better their company! See, they don't understand the rest of the world. If they want to be globally loved, they've gotta become socialists & cow-tow to the lowest common denominator.

Its inappropriate of them to do so at your expense. Or perhaps you dont mind being suppressed. :huh: Let me tell you something. Their company is not based on them, it is based on us.

You wouldnt understand the term "Socialist" if it hit you right in the face...because this week it did...and here YOU are defending a selfish capitalist who aided your government in trying to put you under the same restraints online as The Peoples Republic of China.

If you understood that Communism didnt work, and all the Orient runs on is a worse form of capitalistic elite then the US, you would see how encouraging this sort of selfish money grabbing fantasy (that assumes that the one at the top is the person who keeps the company afloat) you would see the two systems are pretty much the same except for severity.

A rich elite, who will further themselves at all cost against the mass poor. For pure selfish gain. Not that you could ever accuse Lorenzo of doing EXACTLY that with the letter. No Lorenzo was just acting in the best interests of the company...and sod the rest of you Americans...litterally...if he and the Government had been successful.

Why dont you go visit him and shake his hand for doing his capitalistic best to destroy your liberties. I'm sure he'll appreciate that, if he cares to recognise and acknowledge you at all...after all who are we to him. Who are we to any of these multimillion pound companies :laugh: Perhaps you could start a Lorenzo appreciation society :laugh:

:mellow:

Tyburn
01-23-2012, 08:21 PM
Can you believe these guys? Trying to be capitalists in America! How dare they! They should give away half of their earnings to a bunch of people who've done nothing to earn it.

Noone is saying that piracy is morally alright. but to support a bill that would see YOU without the liberties you cherp on about all day and all night. Is a step to far.

Anything taken to access is a polutant, that includes Capitalism. In this case Lorenzo should have just kept quietly fighting people directly in conflict with him in court...rather then professing to the entire world that the UFC is far more important to him that a three and a half centuries old constitution that is supposed to tell you definative rules of living

Damn right how dare they! They can capitalise all they want, so long as it doesnt violate the rights of the average american on the street...the moment they over step that boundary...whether they be ellected politicians, or high flying businessmen, they should be deplored for their actions, whether Republican, Liberal, capitalist, or commie...it makes not matter. If they are Americans and they act unconstiutionally then you should not be supporting or vouching for them.

I shouldnt have to point that out to you.

VCURamFan
01-23-2012, 08:24 PM
Its inappropriate of them to do so at your expense. Or perhaps you dont mind being suppressed. :huh: Let me tell you something. Their company is not based on them, it is based on us.

You wouldnt understand the term "Socialist" if it hit you right in the face...because this week it did...and here YOU are defending a selfish capitalist who aided your government in trying to put you under the same restraints online as The Peoples Republic of China.

If you understood that Communism didnt work, and all the Orient runs on is a worse form of capitalistic elite then the US, you would see how encouraging this sort of selfish money grabbing fantasy (that assumes that the one at the top is the person who keeps the company afloat) you would see the two systems are pretty much the same except for severity.

A rich elite, who will further themselves at all cost against the mass poor. For pure selfish gain. Not that you could ever accuse Lorenzo of doing EXACTLY that with the letter. No Lorenzo was just acting in the best interests of the company...and sod the rest of you Americans...litterally...if he and the Government had been successful.

Why dont you go visit him and shake his hand for doing his capitalistic best to destroy your liberties. I'm sure he'll appreciate that, if he cares to recognise and acknowledge you at all...after all who are we to him. Who are we to any of these multimillion pound companies :laugh: Perhaps you could start a Lorenzo appreciation society :laugh:

:mellow:
Dave, I am fully behind you in my outrage against SOPA & PIPA. That doesn't mean that I'm joining your crusade against the UFC's management. If you want to get back to our discussion of replacing the "corrupt officials", then I invite you to answer the question I left you with & we can pick up where we left off.

As for Lorenzo's letter, I think it was mis-guided, but much like the author of the article, I fully understand why he mistakenly thought it was a good idea: he wants to shut down the piracy that's stealing money from him (whether it's "tens of millions" like he claims, or just in the thousands, or even if it was $5). Socialism & Communism, Dave, are economic systems which, in their most basic form, declare that there is no personal property & all must be shared equally. Lorenzo is fighting to avoid exactly that.

What I disagree with is the censorship, not the motivation (copyright protection). Just because a socialist country employs rampant censorship does not mean that anyone who censors is a socialist. They don't own the monopoly on that.

Tyburn
01-23-2012, 08:37 PM
As for Lorenzo's letter, I think it was mis-guided, but much like the author of the article, I fully understand why he mistakenly thought it was a good idea:

Which person doesnt check their facts as a multimillionaire before publically doing what he did.

Now he's not just wrong...he's stupid :laugh:

I'm just really dissapointed Ben...I thought Lorenzo was one of the better ones at the top...I'm so dissapointed he made this kinda mistake :sad:

...and I already said...Randy Couture for President ahahahaha

VCURamFan
01-23-2012, 08:40 PM
Which person doesnt check their facts as a multimillionaire before publically doing what he did.

Now he's not just wrong...he's stupid :laugh:

I'm just really dissapointed Ben...I thought Lorenzo was one of the better ones at the top...I'm so dissapointed he made this kinda mistake :sad:
Not stupid, just foolish. He heard that there was a bill to stop piracy, something he's been fighting against for years & went to Congress about 2yrs ago. Now he's finally got a chance at some more help & he's stoked.

Problem is, he didn't investigate further.

...and I already said...Randy Couture for President ahahahaha



Let's review the ones you've shown us won't work:

Ratner was brought in for the sole purpose of getting the sport regulated, he's not in fighter relations or business.
The UK/Chinese/Latin American VPs: obviously not.
Randy - he's got no command experience, he was in the Army as a wrestler. That was his job, not leading anyone in combat. His business sense is also questionable: could you imagine him trying the "I'm just going to walk away from this contract & hope nothing happens, then lie publicly when I get called on it" maneuver in a network deal?
Chuck. Two words: NyQuil, Texas. Not happening
Matt. Two words: Farm, Family. Not happening
Who is a fitting replacement?

Tyburn
01-23-2012, 09:07 PM
Not stupid, just foolish. He heard that there was a bill to stop piracy, something he's been fighting against for years & went to Congress about 2yrs ago. Now he's finally got a chance at some more help & he's stoked.

Problem is, he didn't investigate further.

:blink:Randy has no combat experience :blink:

:unsure-1:

I went off Ratner when he refused to overturn Erick Silva disqualification...and yet claims he aggrees with footage...and there is no commission to stop him.

The one time i'd like the UFC to act naughtily...and i'm trumped by a bloody moralist :huh:

:laugh:

NateR
01-24-2012, 02:10 AM
Exactly how would SOPA or PIPA change the internet experience if they were fully implemented? I guess that's my number one question.

rockdawg21
01-24-2012, 06:04 AM
Exactly how would SOPA or PIPA change the internet experience if they were fully implemented? I guess that's my number one question.
This thing is even crazier. You got the guy who created megaupload.com arrested by the FBI and he's from New Zealand, WTF?!

Plus, they don't have a case on this guy - he created a site that is just the same freaking thing as YouTube; if somebody finds a copywritten file on their site, they can request for it to be removed and the user who uploaded it warned/deleted from the site.

I had this happen to me at YouTube by TMZ and Zuffa, Inc. even after I gave appropriate credit by linking to their sites in the description. I was banned from YouTube, so I had to create another username. Was YouTube attacked in this? NO!

Now today, FileSonic was taken down. SOPA and PIPA aren't even passed so how do they have the authority to do this? With SOPA and PIPA, basically, any website that even links to something that is copywritten can be taken down completely. For example, if one of us linked to an article, video, picture, etc. here on Matt's forum and it was found to be in violation of a copyright, the whole site, not just the forum would be shut down. Basically, there wouldn't be any internet because EVERY site does this.

Eventually, the internet will become run by users without dependence on ISPs. For this, the government will not have away to intervene. Big brother can go...

Max
01-24-2012, 01:09 PM
For example, The UFC double their output a year, and keep the prices the same making a fortune rather then showing some compassion towards their fans. They reply by putting their stuff on channels you have to pay extra for, or free facebook fights THAT DONT WORK FOR HALF THE VIEWERS

The UFC does have compassion Dave. I got to watch a free UFC event last weekend and I will get to watch another one this weekend and then next weekend I will have to pay to see a GSP free WW title fight (my dream come true by the way). So for $65 I will get to have seen 3 UFC events, thats $21.67 a show. Thats a really good deal IMO

VCURamFan
01-24-2012, 01:21 PM
:blink:Randy has no combat experience :blink:No, he doesn't. He was paid to represent the Army in international wrestling tournaments. When he wasn't wrestling, he worked at the motorpool (garage). I'm sure he went through basic, but he was never under fire & didn't lead men (other than in the wrestling room).

And you keep ignoring the more important fact: he's a crappy business man! Remember his whole "I wanna fight Fedor" tantrum?

Exactly how would SOPA or PIPA change the internet experience if they were fully implemented? I guess that's my number one question.
Watch this video: http://vimeo.com/31100268 (http://vimeo.com/31100268)

NateR
01-25-2012, 01:51 AM
Watch this video: http://vimeo.com/31100268 (http://vimeo.com/31100268)

Yeesh, I can understand the idea of protecting copyrighted work, but that entire bill sounds like it was written by some septuagenarian music executive who can't even turn on his own computer, much less understand how the internet works.

I wonder if my Star Wars based website would be shut down under this new law? http://www.skiffguards.com/

Bonnie
01-25-2012, 07:31 AM
Yeesh, I can understand the idea of protecting copyrighted work, but that entire bill sounds like it was written by some septuagenarian music executive who can't even turn on his own computer, much less understand how the internet works.

I wonder if my Star Wars based website would be shut down under this new law? http://www.skiffguards.com/

I'm thinking so, Nate. If it would effect Wikipedia, it's going to effect Wookieepedia which would shut your site down...if I'm understanding it correctly.

Like you, I understand the idea of protecting copyrighted work, but it seems what they are trying to do here with these bills casts way too broad of a net and definitely gives the government way too much power. IMO

VCURamFan
01-25-2012, 02:52 PM
Yeesh, I can understand the idea of protecting copyrighted work, but that entire bill sounds like it was written by some septuagenarian music executive who can't even turn on his own computer, much less understand how the internet works.

I wonder if my Star Wars based website would be shut down under this new law? http://www.skiffguards.com/
It's almost as though Congress is proud of how ignorant of technology they are. :wacko:

J.B.
01-27-2012, 01:48 PM
sopa is garbage and MMA wouldnt be half as big as it is today without the internet.

Funny how uploading Michael Jacksons music can land you 5 years in prison, but Conrad Murphy only got 4 years for killing Michael Jackson.

J.B.
01-27-2012, 02:02 PM
Exactly how would SOPA or PIPA change the internet experience if they were fully implemented? I guess that's my number one question.

You would be responsible for making sure that every link posted on this forum doesnt go to a site with "illegal" content. If you dont, Obama/Biden can shut you down.

Bonnie
01-27-2012, 03:37 PM
sopa is garbage and MMA wouldnt be half as big as it is today without the internet.

I love how you get right to the point! :laugh:

Funny how uploading Michael Jacksons music can land you 5 years in prison, but Conrad Murphy only got 4 years for killing Michael Jackson.

Another good point.

J.B.
01-27-2012, 04:53 PM
I love how you get right to the point! :laugh:



Another good point.

Thats how I roll :)

Tyburn
01-30-2012, 01:56 PM
Thats how I roll :)

:laugh: