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Play The Man
09-12-2011, 11:56 PM
A six-year-old boy was dressed in girl's clothes by his lesbian foster parents and the humiliating photo was posted on Facebook, court documents have revealed.
One of the Australian women was preparing for a sex change to become a man - while her girlfriend was having fertility treatment, according to a Sydney newspaper.
The boy, given the pseudonym Campbell by the New South Wales Children's Court, has since been taken away from the couple and the Facebook picture removed.
When she learned of the boy who had been dressed in girl's clothes, former Children's Court magistrate Barbara Holborow declared: 'Oh my God - what are we doing?'
She told Sydney's Daily Telegraph that she had called for a full inquiry into the decision to place the boy with the lesbian women.
The case has caused outrage among same-sex women who said it gave the impression that lesbians were bad parents.
But Families Minister Pru Goward has demanded a full explanation from child welfare service Barnardos, which had arranged for the two women to become foster parents for the boy and his older sister.
'I am seeking advice from Barnardos to confirm that care arrangements were appropriate and the well-being of the children was paramount', she said.
The paper said the boy's story, described as one of the saddest in New South Wales, was revealed in a Supreme Court judgement posted in a document called Childlren's Law News.
The boy's birth mother had tried but failed in the Supreme Court to win back custody of her son.
But it has been learned that the new foster parents who now have him in their care have said they want to adopt him.
Campbell was 18 months old in 2006 when he was taken into care with his four stepbrothers and two stepsisters after complaints of physical and mental abuse by their parents.
In 2009 Campbell and his sister 'Abby' aged 12, were placed with the lesbian couple.
Because things did not work out for Abby she was moved from the couple and it was later that Campbell was dressed in girl's clothing and his photo posted on Facebook..
As the controversy grew in Australia yesterday, one supporter of the lesbian couple said the insinuation appeared to be that simply placing the children with a lesbian couple was the problem and that the foster care agency should have known that any woman crazy enough to be a lesbian was likely to 'humiliate' a child.
In a separate recent controversial case in Australia a man who became a donor father so a lesbian couple could have a child had his name removed from the youngster's birth certificate following the women's break-up.
A judge agreed to remove the father's name from the little girl's birth certificate after the birth mother's former partner asked a court to replace his name with her own.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2036384/Lesbian-couple-dressed-adopted-son-girls-clothes-posted-photo-Facebook.html#ixzz1Xml0UkjI:angry:

flo
09-13-2011, 01:50 AM
There's so much wrong with this story. The poor little boy. :sad:

The case has caused outrage among same-sex women who said it gave the impression that lesbians were bad parents.

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As the controversy grew in Australia yesterday, one supporter of the lesbian couple said the insinuation appeared to be that simply placing the children with a lesbian couple was the problem and that the foster care agency should have known that any woman crazy enough to be a lesbian was likely to 'humiliate' a child.


That last "supporter" is reading a whole lot into the decision to remove the boy. Look, let's be real honest. We won't know what kind of parents gays and lesbians will be in the long run until several decades have passed. I would guess that those stats might reflect a similar percentage of "bad gay parents" for their group as there are with traditional parents. But maybe not, who knows?

This "couple" seems like they tried their best to feminize this poor child. I'm glad he was removed from their custody, I hope that is a permanent decision. And why were the siblings separated?? That was another terrible decision by the court, I wonder why the girl's time with these people "didn't work out"?

In a separate recent controversial case in Australia a man who became a donor father so a lesbian couple could have a child had his name removed from the youngster's birth certificate following the women's break-up.
A judge agreed to remove the father's name from the little girl's birth certificate after the birth mother's former partner asked a court to replace his name with her own.



WTH? How caring of him! That just seems bizarre and creepy, don't these eejits realize these are HUMAN LIVES they are messing with in their little cultural experiment?

NateR
09-13-2011, 02:06 AM
I heard it said years ago and it rings true more and more every time I read a story like this: homosexuals don't want equal rights - they already have that - they want the right to violate other people's rights.

Is there any explanation as to why the boy was forced to dress up like a girl? Was it punishment of some kind? I believe both of the lesbian "parents" need to be charged criminally and serve some prison time. At the very least, neither of them should EVER be entrusted with the custody of a child for as long as they remain lesbians.

Bonnie
09-13-2011, 02:24 AM
I'm sure lesbian and gay rights groups are going to try and make this all about themselves and their rights instead of what it should be about which is the welfare and protection of this poor child.

As to that other case, the biological father's name should have remained on that birth certificate! I agree with you, Cathy, there seems to be little to no consideration being given to these innocent children's lives and how all of this is going to affect them and their identity as they grow up.

What a mess! :angry:

flo
09-13-2011, 04:55 AM
At the very least, neither of them should EVER be entrusted with the custody of a child for as long as they remain lesbians.
Or let's just narrow that down to no kids ever.

I'm sure lesbian and gay rights groups are going to try and make this all about themselves and their rights instead of what it should be about which is the welfare and protection of this poor child.



Yes, the child will probably be the last consideration...unless, of course, he can be used politically somehow.

Bonnie
09-13-2011, 05:49 AM
Or let's just narrow that down to no kids ever.



Yes, the child will probably be the last consideration...unless, of course, he can be used politically somehow.

It seems like the people who should never ever have kids are always the ones who are able to have them like rabbits or they get to adopt them.

I'm sure if they think they can use this case to show they're being discriminated against, they'll do it.

County Mike
09-13-2011, 11:17 AM
I guess I'd like to know more of the story. Was he dressed as a girl as punishment? Was it a joke? Did the kid mind?

There's a picture of Kelli's nephew on Facebook dressed up as a girl. I think he's 7. His sister dressed him up, put makeup on him, etc. He went along with it because he thought it was funny. I don't think he was being abused or humiliated. He doesn't act feminine normally. He's a regular little boy.

I'd also like to know why the 12 year old girl didn't work out and was separated from her brother to live with a different family. That might give more info than the boy being dressed up.

Crisco
09-13-2011, 01:16 PM
I highly doubt a 6 yr old was humilated by something on facebook.


If this was punishment then boo.

But if it was a joke big deal... Normal kids go through worse •••• growing up.

adamt
09-13-2011, 01:22 PM
I don't think it could get worse than having lesbian parents, sex changed parents, etc....



Also it is ironic that you refer to "normal kids", which by default implies this kid is abnormal, which is the whole point of lesbians not having children, because it is generally considered and accepted that is is abnormal, they themselves even know it














oh yeah Josh Koscheck is ducking me

rearnakedchoke
09-13-2011, 01:31 PM
i don't think this would have made the news if the parents weren't same sex .. and there are far worse things that parents of all sexual orientations do to their children than dress them up as the opposite sex ... but, that is just my opinion

County Mike
09-13-2011, 02:12 PM
AdamT - That is one disturbing signature pic.

Neezar
09-13-2011, 02:14 PM
I highly doubt a 6 yr old was humilated by something on facebook.


If this was punishment then boo.

But if it was a joke big deal... Normal kids go through worse •••• growing up.

My six year old doesn't like me telling about anything he says OR showing pics of him, even good ones. We were going to a family cook out once and on the way he says, "And don't tell anything about my identity!" :laugh: Which is hard not to share because he says some of the most clever and funny things sometimes. However, my 8 years old would think that it would be funny to post a pic of him dressed up as a girl. It would scar my six year old for life.

Most 6 years olds are very easy to embarass/humiliate. Try calling a 6 year old boy a cutie pie and see how red his face turns. Or just try asking one if they are a boy or a girl and see what happens. You couldn't make an enemy faster. Five and six years old is usually when kids really accept and start getting comfortable with the difference.

flo
09-13-2011, 02:27 PM
AdamT - That is one disturbing signature pic.

I think disturbing sums it up nicely.

:laugh:

VCURamFan
09-13-2011, 03:59 PM
I don't think it could get worse than having lesbian parents, sex changed parents, etc....

Also it is ironic that you refer to "normal kids", which by default implies this kid is abnormal, which is the whole point of lesbians not having children, because it is generally considered and accepted that is is abnormal, they themselves even know it

oh yeah Josh Koscheck is ducking me

DUDE, WTF?? I'm gonna nightmares about your sig pic! :ninja: :vomit:

NateR
09-13-2011, 07:21 PM
Or let's just narrow that down to no kids ever.

If either of them were to accept Christ, abandon their lesbian lifestyle, enter into a true marriage (read: a heterosexual marriage), then gets pregnant with her husband's child, I would have trouble denying either of them the right to be a mother of her own biological child.

BTW, I've asked adamt to remove his sig image. That's just too close to pornographic for this website.

flo
09-13-2011, 07:52 PM
BTW, I've asked adamt to remove his sig image. That's just too close to pornographic for this website.

Not to mention the photoshop is so bad the disembodied ear alone is truly frightening.


Nate, I was being rhetorical about them not having kids. I know we as a society can't stop people who shouldn't have children from doing so (drug abusers, alcoholics, violent people, etc) because any laws like that have the probablility of being abused or applied to the wrong people.

But it seems that this couple were humiliating the boy, that's why I agree with the decision to place him in another foster home, hopefully with his sister. Some people aren't cut out to be parents; if they feel the need to have children in their lives they can certainly do so in other ways that are much needed - volunteering at Boys and Girls clubs, Big Brother/Sister programs, scouting, TAs, mentoring, tutoring, etc.

Bonnie
09-13-2011, 09:47 PM
I guess I'd like to know more of the story. Was he dressed as a girl as punishment? Was it a joke? Did the kid mind?

There's a picture of Kelli's nephew on Facebook dressed up as a girl. I think he's 7. His sister dressed him up, put makeup on him, etc. He went along with it because he thought it was funny. I don't think he was being abused or humiliated. He doesn't act feminine normally. He's a regular little boy.

I'd also like to know why the 12 year old girl didn't work out and was separated from her brother to live with a different family. That might give more info than the boy being dressed up.

When people put pictures on Facebook can other people copy them? I was just wondering if this is something that could come back to embarass him when he's older?

Like you and Cathy, I'd like to know what happened...why the 12-yr old didn't work out, and why they didn't move both siblings together.

Bonnie
09-13-2011, 09:58 PM
AdamT - That is one disturbing signature pic.



BTW, I've asked adamt to remove his sig image. That's just too close to pornographic for this website.


I was like, what picture are y'all talking about...and then I went back a page... :scared0015:

TexasRN
09-13-2011, 10:01 PM
My six year old doesn't like me telling about anything he says OR showing pics of him, even good ones. We were going to a family cook out once and on the way he says, "And don't tell anything about my identity!" :laugh: Which is hard not to share because he says some of the most clever and funny things sometimes. However, my 8 years old would think that it would be funny to post a pic of him dressed up as a girl. It would scar my six year old for life.

Most 6 years olds are very easy to embarass/humiliate. Try calling a 6 year old boy a cutie pie and see how red his face turns. Or just try asking one if they are a boy or a girl and see what happens. You couldn't make an enemy faster. Five and six years old is usually when kids really accept and start getting comfortable with the difference.

My mom thinks it is hilarious to tell 6-7 year olds that they were born NAKED!! Oh how it freaks them out. :laugh:


~Amy

Neezar
09-14-2011, 05:04 AM
My mom thinks it is hilarious to tell 6-7 year olds that they were born NAKED!! Oh how it freaks them out. :laugh:


~Amy

:laugh: I can't wait to try that out!

rearnakedchoke
09-14-2011, 04:02 PM
If either of them were to accept Christ, abandon their lesbian lifestyle, enter into a true marriage (read: a heterosexual marriage), then gets pregnant with her husband's child, I would have trouble denying either of them the right to be a mother of her own biological child.

BTW, I've asked adamt to remove his sig image. That's just too close to pornographic for this website.

what if they were to convert to another religion .. do you still think they should have kids?? lol .. i know you don't think only Christian's should be able to procreate .. just wondering ..

NateR
09-14-2011, 04:07 PM
what if they were to convert to another religion .. do you still think they should have kids?? lol .. i know you don't think only Christian's should be able to procreate .. just wondering ..

I don't believe they would have the strength to abandon the lesbian lifestyle without accepting Christ.

rearnakedchoke
09-14-2011, 04:52 PM
I don't believe they would have the strength to abandon the lesbian lifestyle without accepting Christ.

true .. gotcha!

Tyburn
09-15-2011, 06:40 PM
there is plenty of militancy in here I see...reading this thread...I started singing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPsL2WVhFCc :laugh:

NateR
09-15-2011, 07:03 PM
there is plenty of militancy in here I see...reading this thread...I started singing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPsL2WVhFCc :laugh:

Militancy? Exactly what part of this thread would you consider militant?

Tyburn
09-15-2011, 09:48 PM
Militancy? Exactly what part of this thread would you consider militant?

it could have been worse... I could have been singing :laugh:

:happydancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_A7Hu0uKNw :laugh:

I dont want to come across as a meanie towards you or anyone Nathan but Its the general cycle on this forum...mention anything to do with homosexuality at all, and out come all the patrons who tut, shake their heads, and generally just get angry.

That to me is a nigh on militant response...somehow...this thread has nothing really to do with child abuse...and lots, as always to do with squash the homos....its like a nasty bandwagon that invades, at the heart of it, its always the morality of gays... say the word "gay" and its like poking a stick into a wasps nest...out they all come, buzzing and spluttering, and all aggreeing on how terrible the situation is blah, blah, blah. posting their emoticons, waving their sticks. Waging their fingers and shaking their heads

Mike had it right. He wanted to know more about the context before screaming condemnation and burrying every single visitor to this thread in hot coals :)

bradwright
09-15-2011, 11:41 PM
it could have been worse... I could have been singing :laugh:

:happydancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_A7Hu0uKNw :laugh:

I dont want to come across as a meanie towards you or anyone Nathan but Its the general cycle on this forum...mention anything to do with homosexuality at all, and out come all the patrons who tut, shake their heads, and generally just get angry.

That to me is a nigh on militant response...somehow...this thread has nothing really to do with child abuse...and lots, as always to do with squash the homos....its like a nasty bandwagon that invades, at the heart of it, its always the morality of gays... say the word "gay" and its like poking a stick into a wasps nest...out they all come, buzzing and spluttering, and all aggreeing on how terrible the situation is blah, blah, blah. posting their emoticons, waving their sticks. Waging their fingers and shaking their heads

Mike had it right. He wanted to know more about the context before screaming condemnation and burrying every single visitor to this thread in hot coals :)

exactly what i was thinking.

NateR
09-15-2011, 11:48 PM
its always the morality of gays...

Homosexuality is immorality. There is no such thing as a moral homosexual. That's like claiming that an adulterer or a prostitute is moral.

It's not hatred of homosexuals that is inspiring this anger. It's the homosexual agenda being rammed down our throats to the point where children are being treated like lab rats in a giant social experiment, instead of being treated like human beings.

Play The Man
09-16-2011, 01:15 AM
Tyburn, this might seem like a strange set of questions, and totally out of left field, but please answer.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/biidbiid/

One day, after years of agony, an Australian man took a large quantity of dry ice and intentionally damaged his left leg, so that a surgeon would have to amputate it.

The action was intentional and the man, Robert Vickers, described the feeling of waking up in the hospital without his leg as “absolute ecstasy.” He’s one of a small number of people who have what psychiatrists have come to call body integrity identity disorder in which patients report the desire to have one or more of their limbs amputated because the extremities don’t feel like they “belong” to their bodies.

Do you think Robert Vickers should be allowed to be a foster parent to children?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2008/feb/25/ivebeenreportingonthe

"Every forensic scientists should have at least one out of the ordinary memorable case," wrote Berka Bruewer in her abstract. For her it was Edward Bodkin, a cutter who had performed numerous castrations on willing men in his kitchen. His flatmate eventually turned him in to the police (if you share a flat with someone who is even slightly annoying you at the moment, just be grateful they're not a backstreet castrator).

When police searched Bodkin's home they found nine jars containing human testicles as well as video tapes of the castrations taking place, which he was selling through a publication called Ball Club Quarterly. He was convicted of practising medicine without a licence.

Videoing the act and keeping "souvenirs" is apparently very common. The cutters often have a farm background which got them interested in castrating animals.

In the human realm there is a whole language to describe the options. "Nullos" are people who have had their genitals removed and "smoothies" have been relieved of their genitals and nipples.

Do you think a "nullo" or "smoothy" who joined Bodkins's Ball Club Quarterly should be allowed to take in a foster child?

Bonnie
09-16-2011, 02:07 AM
there is plenty of militancy in here I see...reading this thread...I started singing... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPsL2WVhFCc :laugh:

militancy
1. the state or condition of being combative or disposed to fight.
2. the active championing of a cause or belief. — militant, n., adj

It's interesting that you used that word because I think militancy can be ascribed to today's gay movement, as well, don't you? From what I've seen, they preach "tolerance" but turn around and show very little of it to anyone who doesn't believe living gay is right or just another lifestyle. If you're not with them, you are a homophobe, hateful, stupid, ignorant, an idiot...

What would happen if people wanted to have an annual Not-Gay Pride Parade? That's a rhetorical ? by the way. :laugh:

You and Mike are right, we don't know everything involved with this case, but the fact the boy was taken away from them, plus the judge's comments makes me think this couple's actions weren't innocent fun. And we know his older sister was removed for some reason from the home before this happened. Am I guilty of making assumptions without knowing all the facts, yes. But, my eyebrows still would have gone up if this had been a heterosexual couple/parents dressing their little boy up as a girl and putting his picture up on a social network site. I think there is a difference between little kids playing around (Mike's story) and something like this where grown parents are dressing little boys up in girl's clothes. JM2Cs :wink:

adamt
09-16-2011, 02:47 AM
I also think it is worth noting and remembering that this kid was a foster child, not an adopted child.

A foster child is a child that you accept on the state's behalf to care for it until the state can reconcile the child with his or her parents or to deem the parents unfit to have children.

Cross dressing the kid is definitely not within the acceptable guidelines of caring for a foster child.

County Mike
09-16-2011, 11:53 AM
Mike had it right.

As usual. :laugh:

Tyburn
09-16-2011, 12:40 PM
Homosexuality is immorality. There is no such thing as a moral homosexual. That's like claiming that an adulterer or a prostitute is moral.

It's not hatred of homosexuals that is inspiring this anger. It's the homosexual agenda being rammed down our throats to the point where children are being treated like lab rats in a giant social experiment, instead of being treated like human beings.

On this forum there is no homosexual agenda. What gets brought up on this forum is choice...and for some reason time and time and time again the ONLY source of moral outrage on this Forum is homosexuality.

Besides...you missed my point. Nevermind the sexual orientation of the Legal Gaurdians...how about Child abuse?? This thread would never have been made if it wasnt for the gay guardians...THATS MY POINT...nevermind what is and is not a sin...this forum is obsessed with sexual imorality of the homosexual time...to the extent that any other threads, and any other topics...and any other sins are ignored, unanswered, and generally irrelivent.

I am simply pointing out that there is a clear bias which has nothing to do with expressing the truth on all issues...but about expressing moral outrage at one single source of sin time and again.

The only subject you perfer better then this is the anti papal threads :laugh: Not even the right to bear arms, or evolution gets as much attention from you as this subject. :laugh:

Tyburn
09-16-2011, 12:42 PM
As usual. :laugh:

I must admit, you do seem extremely well balanced...a quick "•••• that" to some subjects, and a quick "need to know more" on others...that from a neutral american position are absolutely textbook responses. :w00t:

Tyburn
09-16-2011, 12:46 PM
militancy
1. the state or condition of being combative or disposed to fight.
2. the active championing of a cause or belief. — militant, n., adj

It's interesting that you used that word because I think militancy can be ascribed to today's gay movement, as well, don't you? From what I've seen, they preach "tolerance" but turn around and show very little of it to anyone who doesn't believe living gay is right or just another lifestyle. If you're not with them, you are a homophobe, hateful, stupid, ignorant, an idiot...

What would happen if people wanted to have an annual Not-Gay Pride Parade? That's a rhetorical ? by the way. :laugh:

You and Mike are right, we don't know everything involved with this case, but the fact the boy was taken away from them, plus the judge's comments makes me think this couple's actions weren't innocent fun. And we know his older sister was removed for some reason from the home before this happened. Am I guilty of making assumptions without knowing all the facts, yes. But, my eyebrows still would have gone up if this had been a heterosexual couple/parents dressing their little boy up as a girl and putting his picture up on a social network site. I think there is a difference between little kids playing around (Mike's story) and something like this where grown parents are dressing little boys up in girl's clothes. JM2Cs :wink:

I never said that Gay Pride was anything other then Militant.

I simply pointed out there were a lot of people for the umpteenth time expressing their horror at homosexuality in as militant a capacity as if you were to visit a gay pride forum...where you would see, just as rigorously, the opposite being defended.

I pointed it out...because the real sin in this whole thread, is child abuse...NOT homosexuality...but the people of this forum overlook expressing horror at some sins...whilst always forcusing on homosexuality.

Tyburn
09-16-2011, 12:48 PM
Tyburn, this might seem like a strange set of questions, and totally out of left field, but please answer.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/biidbiid/



Do you think Robert Vickers should be allowed to be a foster parent to children?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2008/feb/25/ivebeenreportingonthe



Do you think a "nullo" or "smoothy" who joined Bodkins's Ball Club Quarterly should be allowed to take in a foster child?

I havent time to review this now. I'll be back after work I promise :ashamed:

rearnakedchoke
09-16-2011, 01:22 PM
Homosexuality is immorality. There is no such thing as a moral homosexual. That's like claiming that an adulterer or a prostitute is moral.

It's not hatred of homosexuals that is inspiring this anger. It's the homosexual agenda being rammed down our throats to the point where children are being treated like lab rats in a giant social experiment, instead of being treated like human beings.

come on now, this thread is about lesbians, how bad of parents the ones in the article are .. no need to bash hoes ... we can do that in another thread ...

Neezar
09-16-2011, 01:26 PM
it could have been worse... I could have been singing :laugh:

:happydancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_A7Hu0uKNw :laugh:

I dont want to come across as a meanie towards you or anyone Nathan but Its the general cycle on this forum...mention anything to do with homosexuality at all, and out come all the patrons who tut, shake their heads, and generally just get angry.

That to me is a nigh on militant response...somehow...this thread has nothing really to do with child abuse...and lots, as always to do with squash the homos....its like a nasty bandwagon that invades, at the heart of it, its always the morality of gays... say the word "gay" and its like poking a stick into a wasps nest...out they all come, buzzing and spluttering, and all aggreeing on how terrible the situation is blah, blah, blah. posting their emoticons, waving their sticks. Waging their fingers and shaking their heads

Mike had it right. He wanted to know more about the context before screaming condemnation and burrying every single visitor to this thread in hot coals :)

Dave, this is a bull shte propganda that you are trying to push. The father who beat his son thread got 3 times as many responses in less time than this one.

When a thread has a subject that we are passionate about then it gets more responses. There is nothing wrong with that.

Everyday there is a frontline story where gays are pushing their agenda on us and our children. And this threatens our core beliefs and values. Of course, it will get more attention.

This is like you accusing us of talking about Matt Hughes more than any other fighter. Well, why wouldn't we? When something means more to us then, well what can be expected?

NateR
09-16-2011, 01:26 PM
On this forum there is no homosexual agenda. What gets brought up on this forum is choice...and for some reason time and time and time again the ONLY source of moral outrage on this Forum is homosexuality.

Besides...you missed my point. Nevermind the sexual orientation of the Legal Gaurdians...how about Child abuse?? This thread would never have been made if it wasnt for the gay guardians...THATS MY POINT...nevermind what is and is not a sin...this forum is obsessed with sexual imorality of the homosexual time...to the extent that any other threads, and any other topics...and any other sins are ignored, unanswered, and generally irrelivent.

I am simply pointing out that there is a clear bias which has nothing to do with expressing the truth on all issues...but about expressing moral outrage at one single source of sin time and again.

The only subject you perfer better then this is the anti papal threads :laugh: Not even the right to bear arms, or evolution gets as much attention from you as this subject. :laugh:

It's called "righteous indignation," Dave. When someone is a true believer in Jesus Christ, then they will naturally get angry and militant when they hear evil called good and GOD called a liar. A person who is not a follower of Jesus Christ is incapable of feeling righteous indignation over anything.

Are we consistent in which topics we choose to show righteous indignation over? No, of course not. We're fallen, corrupted human beings so we're always going to choose to overlook some sins while focusing on others... to our own shame. Bias is going to be a constant of Christian behavior in this age and we need people like you to point that bias out.

As for the Creation/Evolution debate, I have simply argued to the extent of my knowledge on that topic. My view hasn't changed, I still see no evidence whatsoever to support Evolution, but I simply have no new evidence to offer in support of Creation that will make sense to a non-spiritual person.

For the record, I believe it is the instance of child abuse that has people so angry about this story. We see children being treated as political capital in a big political debate and not treated with the love and respect that they deserve as human beings. Children are not an experiment. So to be just dropping them into same-sex households, with zero evidence that those people are capable parents, and hoping it turns out for the best is not acceptable.

Neezar
09-16-2011, 01:30 PM
I never said that Gay Pride was anything other then Militant.

I simply pointed out there were a lot of people for the umpteenth time expressing their horror at homosexuality in as militant a capacity as if you were to visit a gay pride forum...where you would see, just as rigorously, the opposite being defended.

I pointed it out...because the real sin in this whole thread, is child abuse...NOT homosexuality...but the people of this forum overlook expressing horror at some sins...whilst always forcusing on homosexuality.

If this is a Christian based forum, and Christians core values and beliefs are being threatened by homosexuals then why would you expect anything less?

Are we suppose to keep our mouths shut and our opinions to ourselves to keep from offending them?

The fact is the abusers in this case are homosexual. Are we supposed to ignore that?

Neezar
09-16-2011, 01:35 PM
i don't think this would have made the news if the parents weren't same sex .. and there are far worse things that parents of all sexual orientations do to their children than dress them up as the opposite sex ... but, that is just my opinion

Just recently, I saw an hour show on parents who made their kids walk around in the house naked as punishment. They were heterosexual parents.

Multiple articles and news spots about a mom who put hot pepper sauce in her child's mouth for punishment. I don't know her sexual orientation.

So maybe it would have made the news. Or maybe not....

Neezar
09-16-2011, 01:39 PM
it could have been worse... I could have been singing :laugh:

:happydancing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_A7Hu0uKNw :laugh:

I dont want to come across as a meanie towards you or anyone Nathan but Its the general cycle on this forum...mention anything to do with homosexuality at all, and out come all the patrons who tut, shake their heads, and generally just get angry.

That to me is a nigh on militant response...somehow...this thread has nothing really to do with child abuse...and lots, as always to do with squash the homos....its like a nasty bandwagon that invades, at the heart of it, its always the morality of gays... say the word "gay" and its like poking a stick into a wasps nest...out they all come, buzzing and spluttering, and all aggreeing on how terrible the situation is blah, blah, blah. posting their emoticons, waving their sticks. Waging their fingers and shaking their heads

Mike had it right. He wanted to know more about the context before screaming condemnation and burrying every single visitor to this thread in hot coals :)


btw, Dave. I saw ONE post where the poster only mentioned homosexuals and NOT child abuse.

So it looks like you are the one who used this opportunity to further your agenda.

Neezar
09-16-2011, 01:46 PM
And oh yeah :angry:

(:laugh: I'm not through with you yet, Dave.)

You didn't post in the father beats teen thread. You must not care about child abuse. And you never post in any threads about Matt anymore. But find one bashing Americans, blaming Americans for other countries woes, or about homosexuals and you are on it like stink on shyte.


Look in the mirror before you start slinging it out, Dave.


ps I have the post count up to almost half of the father beats teen thread now. lol

County Mike
09-16-2011, 01:48 PM
I think we're all missing the point of this thread. The true point is now that:

Mike is right.
Mike is well balanced.
Mike is awesome.

Neezar
09-16-2011, 01:50 PM
I think we're all missing the point of this thread. The true point is now that:

Mike is right.
Mike is well balanced.
Mike is awesome.

Yes, but you aren't gay. So what is there to talk about? :laugh:

County Mike
09-16-2011, 01:52 PM
Yes, but you aren't gay. So what is there to talk about? :laugh:

My sheer awesomeness, or my hotness if you prefer.
Either way, it's all about me now. :wink:

If I was a chick I'd be gay. Does that help?

Neezar
09-16-2011, 01:54 PM
My sheer awesomeness, or my hotness if you prefer.
Either way, it's all about me now. :wink:

If I was a chick I'd be gay. Does that help?

:w00t: You worked it in! You are awesomeness, Mike.

Dethbob
09-16-2011, 03:03 PM
...because the real sin in this whole thread, is child abuse...NOT homosexuality...but the people of this forum overlook expressing horror at some sins...whilst always forcusing on homosexuality.

If a white foster family painted up a black child to look white and posted pictures of it online, you can bet racism would be the hot topic. The fact that it is also child abuse would not be accepted as a mitigating factor.

Tyburn
09-16-2011, 04:39 PM
Dave, this is a bull shte propganda that you are trying to push. The father who beat his son thread got 3 times as many responses in less time than this one.

When a thread has a subject that we are passionate about then it gets more responses. There is nothing wrong with that.

?

Did I say there was anything wrong with it?

No.

I just pointed out it was happening...and rather then accept that Nathan threw his arms in the air with Militancy???what militancy!!!

...and there are always exceptions to the rule on thread numbers :laugh:

Tyburn
09-16-2011, 04:41 PM
If a white foster family painted up a black child to look white and posted pictures of it online, you can bet racism would be the hot topic. The fact that it is also child abuse would not be accepted as a mitigating factor.

Yes...I think you are right...and I think there is a danger of painting out particular sins as cardinal...when thats not the case.

Tyburn
09-16-2011, 04:52 PM
1) It's called "righteous indignation," Dave. When someone is a true believer in Jesus Christ, then they will naturally get angry and militant when they hear evil called good and GOD called a liar. A person who is not a follower of Jesus Christ is incapable of feeling righteous indignation over anything.

2) Are we consistent in which topics we choose to show righteous indignation over? No, of course not. We're fallen, corrupted human beings so we're always going to choose to overlook some sins while focusing on others... to our own shame. Bias is going to be a constant of Christian behavior in this age and we need people like you to point that bias out.

3) As for the Creation/Evolution debate, I have simply argued to the extent of my knowledge on that topic. My view hasn't changed, I still see no evidence whatsoever to support Evolution, but I simply have no new evidence to offer in support of Creation that will make sense to a non-spiritual person.

5) For the record, I believe it is the instance of child abuse that has people so angry about this story. We see children being treated as political capital in a big political debate and not treated with the love and respect that they deserve as human beings. Children are not an experiment. So to be just dropping them into same-sex households, with zero evidence that those people are capable parents, and hoping it turns out for the best is not acceptable.

1) Its also a form of militancy...thats all I was pointing out.

2) Yes, and I have no intention of stopping either :laugh: ....but I feel we also need to get to the stage where we DONT need people like me to point it out...because we should become more aware of our own selves, and our subversive nature...and there needs to be other voices who can say...look, lets leave the old issues that stop us from talking about the other sins which are probably just as prevelent.

3) thats fair enough...it was the first example I could think of...it wasnt really a point I was trying to make other then to show there are a couple of hot topics...ohh...and occasionally you DO change your mind...like with Calvinism

4) See I believe it is the orientation of the parents, and the fact gays have caused this child abuse that is the actual factor. I think if we are perfectly honnest with ourselves we know, deep down, its those pesky gays again...I'm not saying that is wrong...or a valid point. I DO think it is not the ONLY valid point, and I DO think this Forum has jumpped right onto it, because they always do with this topic. I wasnt condemning exactly...I would perfer if it didnt happen...but thats a preferance rather then a moral evaluation...but I felt the need to note it in public because its happening a lot recently...and with the forum contracting in membership and posts...threads like these that were once commonplace, and fast to burn out...now dominate and grinde on forever.

Tyburn
09-16-2011, 04:57 PM
And oh yeah :angry:

(:laugh: I'm not through with you yet, Dave.)

You didn't post in the father beats teen thread. You must not care about child abuse. And you never post in any threads about Matt anymore. But find one bashing Americans, blaming Americans for other countries woes, or about homosexuals and you are on it like stink on shyte.


Look in the mirror before you start slinging it out, Dave.


ps I have the post count up to almost half of the father beats teen thread now. lol

You are a meanie

Tyburn
09-16-2011, 05:06 PM
Tyburn, this might seem like a strange set of questions, and totally out of left field, but please answer.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/07/biidbiid/



Do you think Robert Vickers should be allowed to be a foster parent to children?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/blog/2008/feb/25/ivebeenreportingonthe



Do you think a "nullo" or "smoothy" who joined Bodkins's Ball Club Quarterly should be allowed to take in a foster child?

I think you should take every individual case, rather then making silly large, and cross the board sweeping statements.

Once you start to make judgements on whole sections of the community...where does it stop?? Remember the girl who dissapeared and ended up dead after running away from home not so long ago?? Her Father was accused of her murder for a long time before they found the culprit. Why had she run away from home...because she discovered her Father was was into BDSM.

So...what are we to say...a hetrosexual couple, who is living within marriage...shouldnt have kids...dont make good parents because they have certain fetishes??

Where does it stop.

So I think you analyse the person on an individual level and never make a sweeping generalization. My best reasoning would be that some gays, some fetishists, some bizzare freaks...would make good parents...and some would not.

...but then what would I know? I am just a man who will almost certainly never marry, never care for children, and upon my death a One Thousand One Hundred and Sixty year old patriachal line will be extinquished. :unsure-1:

I dont know what makes good parents, I'm not even sold on what makes decent individuals. Due to my struggle with SSA some people would have you believe I am not worthy of the sort of leadership required for moderating the Christian Section. I would dissagree with that...but what would I know?

I think you make the best of what you have got. speaking as a child who has parents who are deffinately not perfect...I cant change them, their ways, nor my past. You just have to get on with it....at the end of the day in this society you are not going to stop gays from adopting...so for the sake of the children...perhaps you should be educating the homosexuals who have already decided to adopt...instead of just tutting.

County Mike
09-16-2011, 05:49 PM
Dave: Stop trying to derail this thread. It is now about my awesomeness. Please stay on topic.

rearnakedchoke
09-16-2011, 06:22 PM
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/4/11/iapproveoft128524328188287822.jpg
only the part about how awesome Mike is

VCURamFan
09-16-2011, 06:33 PM
Dude, did y'all hear how awesome Mike is? People are saying he's the Barney Stinson of the MHF:

http://www.kruxor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/barney-stinson-awesome-quote-300x300.jpg

flo
09-16-2011, 06:51 PM
My sheer awesomeness, or my hotness if you prefer.
Either way, it's all about me now. :wink:

If I was a chick I'd be gay. Does that help?

Sheesh, Mike, it's "hawtness", get with the program!

:wink:

Dude, did y'all hear how awesome Mike is? People are saying he's the Barney Stinson of the MHF:

http://www.kruxor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/barney-stinson-awesome-quote-300x300.jpg

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

NateR
09-16-2011, 07:04 PM
I just pointed out it was happening...and rather then accept that Nathan threw his arms in the air with Militancy???what militancy!!!

There you go putting words into my mouth like you always do. I never denied militancy and I would never deny that I'm militant about exposing the lies of the Gay Rights movement. I was simply asking you to define what specific portions of this thread that you considered militant so that I could address those.

Maybe if you took some time to respond to what was actually being said instead of what you think is being said, then we could have a semi-intelligent debate on this topic.

NateR
09-16-2011, 07:13 PM
I think you should take every individual case, rather then making silly large, and cross the board sweeping statements.

Once you start to make judgements on whole sections of the community...where does it stop?? Remember the girl who dissapeared and ended up dead after running away from home not so long ago?? Her Father was accused of her murder for a long time before they found the culprit. Why had she run away from home...because she discovered her Father was was into BDSM.

So...what are we to say...a hetrosexual couple, who is living within marriage...shouldnt have kids...dont make good parents because they have certain fetishes??

Where does it stop.

So I think you analyse the person on an individual level and never make a sweeping generalization. My best reasoning would be that some gays, some fetishists, some bizzare freaks...would make good parents...and some would not.

...but then what would I know? I am just a man who will almost certainly never marry, never care for children, and upon my death a One Thousand One Hundred and Sixty year old patriachal line will be extinquished. :unsure-1:

I dont know what makes good parents, I'm not even sold on what makes decent individuals. Due to my struggle with SSA some people would have you believe I am not worthy of the sort of leadership required for moderating the Christian Section. I would dissagree with that...but what would I know?

I think you make the best of what you have got. speaking as a child who has parents who are deffinately not perfect...I cant change them, their ways, nor my past. You just have to get on with it....at the end of the day in this society you are not going to stop gays from adopting...so for the sake of the children...perhaps you should be educating the homosexuals who have already decided to adopt...instead of just tutting.

Dave, if you try to turn this thread into another one of your pity parties, I'm closing it. Why don't you start being thankful for all the ways GOD has blessed your life instead of focusing on sins you've already been forgiven of?

flo
09-16-2011, 07:40 PM
...but then what would I know? I am just a man who will almost certainly never marry, never care for children, and upon my death a One Thousand One Hundred and Sixty year old patriachal line will be extinquished. :unsure-1:



Don't say "never", anything can happen, you just can't know what is God's plan for you.

I totally understand the feelings you express about your genealogical line (since I don't have kids) but don't give up hope.

NateR
09-16-2011, 08:02 PM
You are a meanie

She's just saying that you need to take care of the plank in your eye before you start worrying about the specks in all of ours.

BamaGrits84
09-16-2011, 09:18 PM
On this forum there is no homosexual agenda. What gets brought up on this forum is choice...and for some reason time and time and time again the ONLY source of moral outrage on this Forum is homosexuality.
Besides...you missed my point. Nevermind the sexual orientation of the Legal Gaurdians...how about Child abuse?? This thread would never have been made if it wasnt for the gay guardians...THATS MY POINT...nevermind what is and is not a sin...this forum is obsessed with sexual imorality of the homosexual time...to the extent that any other threads, and any other topics...and any other sins are ignored, unanswered, and generally irrelivent.

I am simply pointing out that there is a clear bias which has nothing to do with expressing the truth on all issues...but about expressing moral outrage at one single source of sin time and again.

The only subject you perfer better then this is the anti papal threads :laugh: Not even the right to bear arms, or evolution gets as much attention from you as this subject. :laugh:

Hum I seem to remember some outrage over abortion on here shortly after I joined.

Also do you remember back when we were outraged over a mom painting her little boys toe nails in an ad? There was no context to the article about her being gay. Yes some did some to thing that be failing to teach her child gender identity he may become gay.

BamaGrits84
09-16-2011, 09:25 PM
Superman wears Mike underwear. :tongue0011:

Rev
09-16-2011, 10:21 PM
Mike so awesome.

(HOW AWESOME IS HE?)

Once he fought superman with the agreement that the looser would wear his underwear outside his pants!!

I know I havent posted in a while but I had to get on the "Awesome Mike" wagon.


PS. Does the fact that I broke a long silence for the purpose of getting on mike's wagon make me gay? Just asking.:wink:

Play The Man
09-16-2011, 11:19 PM
Once he fought superman with the agreement that the looser would wear his underwear outside his pants!!



REV, YOU ARE UNDER ARREST!

http://theimagebuilders.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/police-car-lights.jpg

I am making a citizen's arrest. As the self-appointed grammar police deputy of the MHF, I am citing you for the word, "looser".

You can say: "Those underwear appear looser than mine."
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQy0yTKwbee_613XfSSjVzI-M5a08jU9lUSr5BZto9Vn565KUabezEm6svIFg

or

You can say: "Those underwear belong to a loser."
http://s2.guyism.com/up/2011/08/Dennis-Hallman-wardrobe-malfunction-309x192.jpg
You cannot say: "Once he fought superman with the agreement that the looser would wear his underwear outside his pants!!"

:wink:

:laugh:

flo
09-16-2011, 11:51 PM
Hughes Forum Security is on the case, PTM.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y117/floranista/hughessecurityforce.jpg

tee hee, all volunteer force, naturally

County Mike
09-17-2011, 01:41 AM
Sheesh, Mike, it's "hawtness", get with the program!


I'm so awesome, I don't have to purposefully spell things incorrectly to seem awesome. That would be redundant awesomeness.

Also- Thanks Rev. Glad to see you posting about my awesomeness. :)

Neezar
09-17-2011, 02:45 AM
2) Yes, and I have no intention of stopping either :laugh: ....but I feel we also need to get to the stage where we DONT need people like me to point it out...because we should become more aware of our own selves, and our subversive nature...and there needs to be other voices who can say...look, lets leave the old issues that stop us from talking about the other sins which are probably just as prevelent.



I think everyone here is perfectly capable of talking about more than one topic. How is it that talking about this issue is stopping us from talking about others? And which other sins would you like to talk about?

Neezar
09-17-2011, 02:50 AM
I dont know what makes good parents, I'm not even sold on what makes decent individuals. Due to my struggle with SSA some people would have you believe I am not worthy of the sort of leadership required for moderating the Christian Section. I would dissagree with that...but what would I know?

.

Well I don't know about anyone else but this....



..look, lets leave the old issues that stop us from talking about the other sins which are probably just as prevelent.

. I DO think it is not the ONLY valid point, and I DO think this Forum has jumpped right onto it, because they always do with this topic. I wasnt condemning exactly...I would perfer if it didnt happen...but thats a preferance rather then a moral evaluation...but I felt the need to note it in public because its happening a lot recently...and with the forum contracting in membership and posts...threads like these that were once commonplace, and fast to burn out...now dominate and grinde on forever.

is why I thought that you shouldn't be moderating that section. Not because of your SSA.

You always wanted to pick and choose what topics that it was okay to debate. Everytime a gay debate started you locked that bad boy up. And if someone offended your personal beliefs or offended another religion, you locked it up. But you would allow other nasty battles to go unchecked. It didn't seem fair.

Rev
09-17-2011, 04:41 AM
REV, YOU ARE UNDER ARREST!

http://theimagebuilders.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/police-car-lights.jpg

I am making a citizen's arrest. As the self-appointed grammar police deputy of the MHF, I am citing you for the word, "looser".

You can say: "Those underwear appear looser than mine."
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQy0yTKwbee_613XfSSjVzI-M5a08jU9lUSr5BZto9Vn565KUabezEm6svIFg

or

You can say: "Those underwear belong to a loser."
http://s2.guyism.com/up/2011/08/Dennis-Hallman-wardrobe-malfunction-309x192.jpg
You cannot say: "Once he fought superman with the agreement that the looser would wear his underwear outside his pants!!"

:wink:

:laugh:

Dang!! Icant believe i didnt catch that before i posted it!!
BTW, thanks for not rubbing it in PTM. Way to be brother!! lol

Neezar
09-17-2011, 12:41 PM
Mike so awesome.

(HOW AWESOME IS HE?)

Once he fought superman with the agreement that the looser would wear his underwear outside his pants!!

I know I havent posted in a while but I had to get on the "Awesome Mike" wagon.


PS. Does the fact that I broke a long silence for the purpose of getting on mike's wagon make me gay? Just asking.:wink:

:laugh::laugh:

Neezar
09-17-2011, 12:42 PM
Dave: Stop trying to derail this thread. It is now about my awesomeness. Please stay on topic.

pics or shens :laugh:

Play The Man
09-18-2011, 12:05 AM
i don't think this would have made the news if the parents weren't same sex .. and there are far worse things that parents of all sexual orientations do to their children than dress them up as the opposite sex ... but, that is just my opinion

Rearnakedchoke, please read this excerpt from The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers:

"Perhaps ironically, the point in time when crossdressing does affect the lives of some male serial killers is in childhood, when they have no choice. In fact, it is worth noting that seven unrelated sex killers were subjected to the identical trauma of compulsory crossdressing during their formative years. In every case but one, the masquerade was orchestrated by a female relative or guardian, and while their stated motives varied, the results were strikingly consistent.
An exception to the rule of torment by a brutal mother figure was Charles Manson, sent to elementary school in a dress by his uncle, with the sage advice that it would teach him "how to fight and be a man." Henry Lucas was also sent to school in skirts and dainty curls until administrators filed injunctions to prevent his mother from abusing him in public. It is curious (and possibly irrelevant) that Manson and Lucas both suffered their peculiar torment in Virginia in the early 1940s. Further south and 10 years later, Otis Toole [the murderer of Adam Walsh] was dressed in petticoats and lace by an older sister who treated him as a living "doll". (As an adult, ironically, he teamed with Lucas for a murder spree that spanned the continent. [they were also homosexual lovers]) In California, Carroll Coe was forced to dress up as "Mama's little girl" while serving coffee to his mother's friends. Yet another Californian, Gordon Northcott, was habitually dressed as a girl by his mentally unbalanced mother until age 16. A wicked stepmother was the culprit in Rodney Beller's case, her favorite dress-up "punishment" producing a serial rapist now sentenced to die for the one murder authorities are able to prove. And worlds away, in Ecuador, child-killer Daniel Barbosa bitterly recalls the way his mother dressed him as a girl to "keep him out of trouble" in the seedy barrio they occupied.
Children subjected to trauma of this sort are prime candidates for gender confusion and disruption of the "cognitive mapping" that determines future thought patterns, ideally providing control of emotions and linking the individual to his social environment. In the cases above, each subject came of age with different personality quirks, but all were prone to sudden, unpredictable violence. Toole and Northcott were openly gay, the former killing indiscriminately, while the latter preyed exclusively on boys. Lucas was another indiscriminate killer, though he favored female victims. Manson was a hard-line career criminal, specializing in auto theft and prison life before an unwelcome parole propelled him into the 1960s drug culture, with youthful runaways ripe for the picking. After one impulsive murder in childhood, Cole restricted his murders to women who reminded him of his drunken, adulterous mother. Barbosa, for his part, killed children - more than 70 in all - preferring a machete as his weapon of choice."


The list above is not exhaustive. There are others - Fritz "Butcher of Hanover" Haarmann, Henry Louis Wallace, etc.

Play The Man
09-18-2011, 12:36 AM
I think it is important to point out that one of the lesbians has severe gender identity issues and is trying to have a sex change operation. Who is going to help this boy develop a sense of masculinity? One of the two is so conflicted about her gender that she is going to have a double mastectomy of healthy breast tissue, have an artificial penis made out of the tissue of her vagina, and take male hormones for life. Although we will never know, I would bet my life savings that the lesbian with the gender identity disorder was the person primarily responsible for the humiliation of this boy. Psychologically - and true to human nature - it would be someone who covets something so much, who, in turn, ultimately tries to annihilate it.

Bonnie
09-18-2011, 05:28 PM
Rearnakedchoke, please read this excerpt from The Encyclopedia of Serial Killers:

"Perhaps ironically, the point in time when crossdressing does affect the lives of some male serial killers is in childhood, when they have no choice. In fact, it is worth noting that seven unrelated sex killers were subjected to the identical trauma of compulsory crossdressing during their formative years. In every case but one, the masquerade was orchestrated by a female relative or guardian, and while their stated motives varied, the results were strikingly consistent.
An exception to the rule of torment by a brutal mother figure was Charles Manson, sent to elementary school in a dress by his uncle, with the sage advice that it would teach him "how to fight and be a man." Henry Lucas was also sent to school in skirts and dainty curls until administrators filed injunctions to prevent his mother from abusing him in public. It is curious (and possibly irrelevant) that Manson and Lucas both suffered their peculiar torment in Virginia in the early 1940s. Further south and 10 years later, Otis Toole [the murderer of Adam Walsh] was dressed in petticoats and lace by an older sister who treated him as a living "doll". (As an adult, ironically, he teamed with Lucas for a murder spree that spanned the continent. [they were also homosexual lovers]) In California, Carroll Coe was forced to dress up as "Mama's little girl" while serving coffee to his mother's friends. Yet another Californian, Gordon Northcott, was habitually dressed as a girl by his mentally unbalanced mother until age 16. A wicked stepmother was the culprit in Rodney Beller's case, her favorite dress-up "punishment" producing a serial rapist now sentenced to die for the one murder authorities are able to prove. And worlds away, in Ecuador, child-killer Daniel Barbosa bitterly recalls the way his mother dressed him as a girl to "keep him out of trouble" in the seedy barrio they occupied.
Children subjected to trauma of this sort are prime candidates for gender confusion and disruption of the "cognitive mapping" that determines future thought patterns, ideally providing control of emotions and linking the individual to his social environment. In the cases above, each subject came of age with different personality quirks, but all were prone to sudden, unpredictable violence. Toole and Northcott were openly gay, the former killing indiscriminately, while the latter preyed exclusively on boys. Lucas was another indiscriminate killer, though he favored female victims. Manson was a hard-line career criminal, specializing in auto theft and prison life before an unwelcome parole propelled him into the 1960s drug culture, with youthful runaways ripe for the picking. After one impulsive murder in childhood, Cole restricted his murders to women who reminded him of his drunken, adulterous mother. Barbosa, for his part, killed children - more than 70 in all - preferring a machete as his weapon of choice."


The list above is not exhaustive. There are others - Fritz "Butcher of Hanover" Haarmann, Henry Louis Wallace, etc.

I was just watching BIO, the Manson Murders. He had a rough childhood for sure, but I didn't know he had been dressed as a girl and made to go to school like that. By the time he was 32, he had already spent half his life in prison. Vincent Bugliosi described Manson as very intelligent. It makes you wonder if his childhood had been different, if he wouldn't have taken a different path in life. The rest of them too. Interesting that Henry Lee Lucas and Otis Toole knew each other, I didn't know that.

Parents can really mess up their kids!

County Mike
09-18-2011, 06:30 PM
pics or shens :laugh:

You need pics of my awesomeness? Let me see what I can find.

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/317893_10150273390440186_507895185_7999049_4962823 _n.jpg

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/254338_10150197756800186_507895185_7285374_2475792 _n.jpg

and most awesome of all...

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227952_10150176113515186_507895185_7094710_7042389 _n.jpg

Tyburn
09-18-2011, 06:55 PM
Don't say "never", anything can happen, you just can't know what is God's plan for you.

I totally understand the feelings you express about your genealogical line (since I don't have kids) but don't give up hope.

:cry: Oh Flo...I have long since given up hope. I have just come out of a four hour debate with my parents...the last hour was devoted to the plans GOD has.

I really dont think GOD cares about my genealogical line. I think I just have to come to accept that our family has had a good run, and that when I am dead there will be no more. As my Mother pointed out...her Family line only has two people left...both Octogenarians. The Clipshams are already assigned to the history books. Her Mother remaried, Her father is dead and only left two daughters, both married...Her Fathers Brother and his second Wife are all that remain...and all that can remain now.

The Old testament says that GOD is no respector of personage. He doesnt really care about lines...infact...where there are lines, he will often change them. He has no quarms about deposing the rightful heirs of Royalty to put his own favoured in power....thus changing the course of the entire dynasty.

Its simply not that important to him. I wish it were not important to me either.

Tyburn
09-18-2011, 06:59 PM
She's just saying that you need to take care of the plank in your eye before you start worrying about the specks in all of ours.

You misunderstood a private Joke.

You have a lot to thank Denise for. In one thread arguing with you, she felt I had gone too far. She sent me a Private Message...it simply said

"You are a meanie"

I went back...re-read and decided...yes...I was a meanie, and I physically removed what I had put, not because it was untrue...but because it was just mean.

flo
09-18-2011, 07:04 PM
and most awesome of all...

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/227952_10150176113515186_507895185_7094710_7042389 _n.jpg

Awww, that IS awesome.

Tyburn
09-18-2011, 07:13 PM
Well I don't know about anyone else but this....



is why I thought that you shouldn't be moderating that section. Not because of your SSA.

You always wanted to pick and choose what topics that it was okay to debate. Everytime a gay debate started you locked that bad boy up. And if someone offended your personal beliefs or offended another religion, you locked it up. But you would allow other nasty battles to go unchecked. It didn't seem fair.

Thats an exaggeration. I remember locking just one thread, which was authored by Preach, and in retribution for that as he had expressed that suffering from SSA was the same as committing action I shouldnt be allowed. Nathan Aggreed, as did Boomer.

I certainly didnt lock up gay threads at that time, because I was the one making lament about them. in the hope that people like Parmanidies who talked to me, and indeed MacT could help. We made plenty of progress until I was told I could remain a moderator (of a different section) if I stopped talking about it. I believe they were also worried that it would have a negative impact on Matt Hughes, to have a non practising sufferer of SSA as the moderator of the Christian Section.

This happened in November 2007, LESS then a full month after I had been out to see Nathan Rosario and Matt Hughes in person. I resisted and protested for a while. Then I resigned....and whilst I have spoken on the issue since...as they arrise (I've spoken about Militancy of Gay pride, and also about how the militant movement see Christian Condemnation and why, offering different ways of trying to evangelize such communities without alienation. I have spoken IN DEFENCE of marriage when that came up in the legal system in England and the US, and I may have contributed to the topic of the stress caused by ordaining openly gay ministers as Bishops which the Episcopal wing of the Anglican Communion did) I have never spoken about my personal struggles, temptations, or progress since, neither have I lamented, nor have I asked for help, support, or prayer.

Play The Man
09-29-2011, 08:33 PM
A boy who started the process of changing sex at age eight has told how he always knew he was meant to be a girl.
Thomas Lobel, who now calls himself Tammy, is undergoing controversial hormone blocking treatment in Berkeley, California to stop him going through puberty as a boy.
His two lesbian mothers, who adopted him aged two, say that they have been criticised by friends and family, but insist they have not forced their son to become a girl.
They say that one of the first things he told them when he learnt sign language aged three, learned because of a speech impediment, was, 'I am a girl'.
Tammy, now 11, wears dresses and effectively lives as a girl.
His parents, Pauline Moreno and Debra Lobel, say that their son, who they claim was depressed at a younger age and threatened to chop of his own penis, is now much happier.
The couple were married in 1990 by a rabbi, according to Pauline's Facebook page, and have two older sons and grandchildren.
Unlike his older brothers who are both described at outgoing and athletic, Thomas liked to read Wonder Woman comic books and play with dolls.
He shunned baseball hats, preferring rhinestone hair accessories.
At age seven, after threatening genital mutilation on himself, therapists and psychiatrists diagnosed Tammy with gender identity disorder.
A year later his parents allowed him to start the first step of his transition to becoming female by letting him pick his own clothes and wear bras.
Tammy favors headbands to baseball hats and picked out bras and dresses to start wearing when given choice in clothing to wear
'As soon as we let him put on a dress, his personality changed from a very sad kid who sat still, didn't do much of anything to a very happy little girl who was thrilled to be alive,' one mother Pauline told CNN.
This summer, Tammy started taking hormone-blocking drugs, which will stop him from experiencing puberty.
The hormone-suppressant will postpone the 11-year-old developing broad shoulders, deep voice and facial hair.The diagnosis has been hard to accept for Tammy's parents, but they insist their sexuality has nothing to do with it.
As Pauline said, people think 'we're pushing her to do this. I'm a lesbian. My partner is a lesbian. That suddenly falls into the fold: "Oh, you want her to be part of the lifestyle you guys live".'
If he chooses to stop taking the drugs, he will undergo natural male puberty at a later stage and his future fertility would not be impacted.
Should he decide to transition to an adult female, he can take female hormones as well, which would raise his voice, grow breasts and develop other feminine physical characteristics.

Pauline and Debra have been married since 1990, when they were joined in a commitment ceremony by their rabbi
San Francisco, right by Berkeley, is one of four cities in the United States with a hospital that has a program for transgender children.
The University of California San Francisco is home to the Center of Excellence for Transgender Health.
Children are seen at length by mental health professionals and then treated by pediatric endocrinologists.
Others cities with youth programs are Boston, Seattle and Los Angeles.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2043345/The-California-boy-11-undergoing-hormone-blocking-treatment.html#ixzz1ZNJtaP2f

This is in the paper today. I'm sure the fact that the child has a gender identity disorder has nothing to do with the fact that he is being raised by two lesbians.:rolleyes:

Tyburn
09-29-2011, 09:19 PM
okay...now that certainly ISNT encouraging...Jewish Lesbians? :blink:

Why do you use a British Press to cover your own Countries Stories also....LOL

Dethbob
09-30-2011, 12:53 PM
This is in the paper today. I'm sure the fact that the child has a gender identity disorder has nothing to do with the fact that he is being raised by two lesbians.:rolleyes:

Doctors who perform ‘gender reassignment’ surgery should be charged with malpractice and malicious maiming. If someone thinks they are a dog, you do not sharpen their teeth and inject them with dog hormones, you diagnose them as ‘bat s crazy’ and start therapy to repair whatever is wrong with their mind. Reconfiguring reality to conform to someone’s delusion is just not healthy, sustainable, or sane.

County Mike
09-30-2011, 01:39 PM
Doctors who perform ‘gender reassignment’ surgery should be charged with malpractice and malicious maiming. If someone thinks they are a dog, you do not sharpen their teeth and inject them with dog hormones, you diagnose them as ‘bat s crazy’ and start therapy to repair whatever is wrong with their mind. Reconfiguring reality to conform to someone’s delusion is just not healthy, sustainable, or sane.

Well said sir.

flo
09-30-2011, 06:22 PM
Well said sir.

Seconded.

CAVEMAN
09-30-2011, 06:50 PM
He was diagnosed with gender identity disorder????????? Boy, seems like all behavioral issues are labeled as a disorder anymore!!!!

He/She/It has GID? :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

NateR
10-01-2011, 09:01 AM
Why do you use a British Press to cover your own Countries Stories also....LOL

Because most US media organizations are so committed to brainwashing the American people into believing that homosexuality is normal that they would never publish a story that might portray the gay population in a negative light.

Tyburn
10-01-2011, 11:25 AM
Because most US media organizations are so committed to brainwashing the American people into believing that homosexuality is normal that they would never publish a story that might portray the gay population in a negative light.

What? and the British that specifically allow homosexual marriage and protect it by law are some how objective, rational, and GOD fearing??

:rolleyes: There is more of Christondom in the US then the UK :unsure-1:

Besides...dont you mean "most Liberal and Democrat Media Organisations" Surely the Republicans wouldnt dream of missleading the Nation so. :)

County Mike
10-03-2011, 11:07 AM
He didn't say that the British media are better. Stating that the US media is screwed up doesn't mean he believes the other nation's media is any better. You darn brits. Sometimes, it's not about you. In fact, it's usually not.

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