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rockdawg21
03-15-2009, 02:37 AM
I've been saying that Silva is susceptible to submissions by a good grappler. Thales Leites is 14-1 with 8 of those wins by submission. I think if he can get Anderson on his back, you might see a submission.

Granted, Silva can knock him out on the feet, but I think you'll see a sub if Thales gets him on the ground.

Josh
03-15-2009, 12:18 PM
Leites is great but I don't think the BJJ difference between them is that huge. Not like it would be with Maia or someone like that. But you never know.

Vizion
03-15-2009, 01:36 PM
How come Marquardt got to beat Thales up so bad, and then THALES gets a shot at the title?

Seems un fair (and yes I know NM had a shot at Anderson already)

atomdanger
03-15-2009, 01:54 PM
Leites isn't the level of BJJ guy its going to take to beat Anderson,
I believe Maia is going to do it if gets to Anderson.

I mean, Leites snuck past Nate, because of points lost,
he won fair and square, but he certainly didn't out perform.

warriorlion
03-15-2009, 02:35 PM
are people once again forgetting that Silva as a BJJ black belt as well, just coz we dont really see him using it in the octagon, it was given by the Nog bros. Its not like he got awarded it by Matt Serra

Vizion
03-15-2009, 02:58 PM
Leites isn't the level of BJJ guy its going to take to beat Anderson,
I believe Maia is going to do it if gets to Anderson.
IF he can keep Anderson grounded, and even that's a maybe. Otherwise Maia's movement standing is too slow and AS would pick him apart standing.

rockdawg21
03-15-2009, 03:03 PM
I'm not forgetting or disrespecting Silva's BJJ ability. It's just that he's susceptible to submissions and takedowns as demonstrated by Lutter and Henderson (except that Hendo isn't much on submissions). Guess I haven't seen enough of Leites to know how good his BJJ is. Just thinking 8/14 victories by submission is good, but, I do realize they were nobodies (but most of his victories are submissions in round 1). My real opinion is that Silva will KO him, but just wanted to open the discussion :)

atomdanger
03-15-2009, 03:30 PM
IF he can keep Anderson grounded, and even that's a maybe. Otherwise Maia's movement standing is too slow and AS would pick him apart standing.

Yeah, but Anderson won't be able to get close, Maia will get the fight to the ground.

If a dehydrated out of shape slow ass Travis Lutter can almost finish Anderson and get mount,
an in shape, prepared Maia will finish him.

He is too slick, and Anderson is a BB, but Maia is on another planet

Vizion
03-15-2009, 04:54 PM
Yeah, but Anderson won't be able to get close, Maia will get the fight to the ground.

If a dehydrated out of shape slow ass Travis Lutter can almost finish Anderson and get mount,
an in shape, prepared Maia will finish him.

He is too slick, and Anderson is a BB, but Maia is on another planet
You're the first person I know who admitted that Travis Lutter did well in that fight. :wink: I totally agree with that. I want to see AS get knocked out tho, revenge for beating Rich twice.

bj44
03-15-2009, 05:02 PM
leites is a better grappler than lutter is lol. I could see him subbing anderson once they get to the ground. The more likely scenerio is silva by ko though.

timmyja
03-15-2009, 05:11 PM
Yeah, but Anderson won't be able to get close, Maia will get the fight to the ground.

If a dehydrated out of shape slow ass Travis Lutter can almost finish Anderson and get mount,
an in shape, prepared Maia will finish him.

He is too slick, and Anderson is a BB, but Maia is on another planet

AS also had knee surgery six weeks before the fight

VCURamFan
03-15-2009, 05:25 PM
Yeah, but Anderson won't be able to get close, Maia will get the fight to the ground.

If a dehydrated out of shape slow ass Travis Lutter can almost finish Anderson 6 weeks after he had double knee surgery and get mount,
an in shape, prepared Maia will finish him.

He is too slick, and Anderson is a BB, but Maia is on another planetFixed it.

Everyone seems to forget/neglect that part...

VCURamFan
03-15-2009, 05:26 PM
AS also had knee surgery six weeks before the fightShoulda known a fellow Virginian would have caught that by now!:laugh:

timmyja
03-15-2009, 05:35 PM
Its a commonwealth thing. . .

lc87
03-15-2009, 06:23 PM
I think anderson will take care of him

Max
03-15-2009, 09:47 PM
AS also had knee surgery six weeks before the fight
why do people always forget this when they talk about that fight? People also need to remember that Silva is one of only 3 men to submit Dan Henderson. The other two were Big and Little Nog.

warriorlion
03-15-2009, 10:24 PM
why do people always forget this when they talk about that fight? People also need to remember that Silva is one of only 3 men to submit Dan Henderson. The other two were Big and Little Nog.


and surprise surprise, where did Anderson get his black belt???

Big and Little Nog.

Leites has a good number of submissions, but he's not going to take out Anderson Silva, not a hope. Maia I dont think will either, yeah his BJJ for MMA is off the scale, but so far no one has tested Maia chin that I have seen, and Chael Sonnen could even finish a Paulu Filho who was not even in the same room in that fight

WAR Silva and lets see it a win by submission

atomdanger
03-16-2009, 05:53 AM
Fixed it.

Everyone seems to forget/neglect that part...

I don't forget that at all, but it wasn't that bad, he was able to workout and make weight on those knees.

Its a factor, but Lutter? Come on....

Anybody who argues that Anderson's weakness is on the ground is either

a. blind
b. thinks anderson is god

its plain to see the ground is where he has trouble

atomdanger
03-16-2009, 05:55 AM
why do people always forget this when they talk about that fight? People also need to remember that Silva is one of only 3 men to submit Dan Henderson. The other two were Big and Little Nog.

nobody forgets, the facts are that he has been in trouble on the ground before.
and not on the feet,

so from what we have seen (and he has been submitted before) if he loses it will be on the ground.

VCURamFan
03-16-2009, 06:00 AM
I don't forget that at all, but it wasn't that bad, he was able to workout and make weight on those knees.

Its a factor, but Lutter? Come on....

Anybody who argues that Anderson's weakness is on the ground is either

a. blind
b. thinks anderson is god

its plain to see the ground is where he has troubleIt's plain to see that his ground game isn't as good as his stand-up, but I wouldn't say he's troubled on the ground. The Nogs aren't going to give you BB if you slack & I highly doubt that someone who's as serious about MMA as Anderson is would slack off on such a who aspect of his game.

atomdanger
03-16-2009, 07:57 AM
It's plain to see that his ground game isn't as good as his stand-up, but I wouldn't say he's troubled on the ground. The Nogs aren't going to give you BB if you slack & I highly doubt that someone who's as serious about MMA as Anderson is would slack off on such a who aspect of his game.


Well, he has gotten into trouble on the ground.
So.... it is his trouble spot lol

Nog doesn't just passout BB's,
but as you and everybody else on here knows, BJJ isn''t MMA.

I am sure he doesn't "slack",
but you can't be perfect at everything,
and his ground game has proven to not be on the same level as his striking

que
03-16-2009, 10:42 AM
it's true... anderson's weakness is on the ground.

but here's the catch...

it's not really a weakness.

his weakness is stronger than many fighter's strengths.

he submitted legit black belt travis lutter on the ground, submitted olympic wrestler dan henderson, pulled a beautiful switch on the "superior wrestler" nate marquardt, and the list goes on. i don't see leites beating him in this fight. i wouldn't be suprised if anderson submits him

Crisco
03-16-2009, 02:31 PM
I don't forget that at all, but it wasn't that bad, he was able to workout and make weight on those knees.

Its a factor, but Lutter? Come on....

Anybody who argues that Anderson's weakness is on the ground is either

a. blind
b. thinks anderson is god

its plain to see the ground is where he has trouble

Anybody who thinks Anderson is "weak" anywhere is blind.


The dude is a kickboxer no doubt and ground is not where he is best but a weakness his ground game is not.

Crisco
03-16-2009, 02:33 PM
Well, he has gotten into trouble on the ground.
So.... it is his trouble spot lol

Nog doesn't just passout BB's,
but as you and everybody else on here knows, BJJ isn''t MMA.

I am sure he doesn't "slack",
but you can't be perfect at everything,
and his ground game has proven to not be on the same level as his striking

Again that doesn't make his groundgame weak.

Kevin Randleman suplexed Fedor... So now Fedor's take down defense is weak?

Llamafighter
03-16-2009, 02:56 PM
You can say that his less stallar area is his ground game, but here's the kicker:
Sure people have gotten him into trouble on the ground but he hasn't lost from a sub since Chonan threw that flying scissor. So maybe Leites will get him into trouble on the ground, but honestly you haven't lost until you've lost.

bj44
03-16-2009, 06:59 PM
Thales> Anderson on the ground

Tyburn
03-16-2009, 07:02 PM
I think Leities would be lucky to win...I think Maia would win...if that makes any sense. the thing in Leities favour is that little statistic that says that Anderson Silva cant go unbeaten at the top for ever.

Noone does.

But Maia would be be more of a challenge for Silva...I think if Silva makes a mistake on the ground Leities wins...but...that might be Silva slipping rather then Thales taking if that makes sense :)

I'm still convinced Dan Henderson would win a rematch also.

timmyja
03-17-2009, 02:34 AM
Some people want to see him lose so bad, they're convinced that anybody can beat him, and it will be by the ground.. GSP, Leites, Maia..

Marquardt couldn't finish him, Hendo, Lutter, Rich (in the second fight) can't wait to see what Leites is gonna do

bj44
03-17-2009, 04:31 PM
I hope anderson loses just to see his nutthuggers reaction!!!!

the dude is not unbeatable he has holes in his ground game. If he makes a mistake against thales on the ground he will get tapped out..

TDPARKASH
03-17-2009, 05:15 PM
Lutter is extremely talented, but doesn't have the drive to improve other areas of his game (stand-up, cardio etc.).

He reminds of Frank Mir. He even mounted Rich, which is not easy to do.

You're the first person I know who admitted that Travis Lutter did well in that fight. :wink: I totally agree with that. I want to see AS get knocked out tho, revenge for beating Rich twice.