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Tyburn
07-23-2011, 05:31 PM
We need to hope that this is not the start of a wave of retaliation attacks due to the killing of OBL and/or the decade of 9/11.

At least 87 people were feared dead in Norway last night after a gunman mowed down students at a summer camp hours after a bomb had devastated the centre of Oslo.

Dozens of youths attending a political gathering were reported to have been shot dead when a terrorist disguised as a policeman opened fire on a holiday island on a lake near the capital.

Police say at least 80 people were killed in the youth camp after initially reporting the death toll at 10.

Seven people had earlier been killed in central Oslo when a car bomb went off outside the country’s main government building. Members of the country’s ruling Labour Party were the targets in both cases. Police had confirmed a total of 17 deaths last night.

British security forces were immediately placed on alert amid fears that Norway’s worst terrorist outrage might be the first in a series of attacks on the West. The carnage followed repeated warnings that al-Qaeda was planning a Mumbai-style attack on countries involved in the war in Afghanistan, where Norway has about 500 troops

Buzzard
07-23-2011, 06:15 PM
We need to hope that this is not the start of a wave of retaliation attacks due to the killing of OBL and/or the decade of 9/11.

At least 87 people were feared dead in Norway last night after a gunman mowed down students at a summer camp hours after a bomb had devastated the centre of Oslo.

Dozens of youths attending a political gathering were reported to have been shot dead when a terrorist disguised as a policeman opened fire on a holiday island on a lake near the capital.

Police say at least 80 people were killed in the youth camp after initially reporting the death toll at 10.

Seven people had earlier been killed in central Oslo when a car bomb went off outside the country’s main government building. Members of the country’s ruling Labour Party were the targets in both cases. Police had confirmed a total of 17 deaths last night.

British security forces were immediately placed on alert amid fears that Norway’s worst terrorist outrage might be the first in a series of attacks on the West. The carnage followed repeated warnings that al-Qaeda was planning a Mumbai-style attack on countries involved in the war in Afghanistan, where Norway has about 500 troops

It sucks that people have to take out their frustrations on innocent people. It makes me sick. Stuff like this will always happen, and it sucks beyond belief.

Neezar
07-24-2011, 03:51 AM
We need to hope that this is not the start of a wave of retaliation attacks due to the killing of OBL and/or the decade of 9/11.

At least 87 people were feared dead in Norway last night after a gunman mowed down students at a summer camp hours after a bomb had devastated the centre of Oslo.

Dozens of youths attending a political gathering were reported to have been shot dead when a terrorist disguised as a policeman opened fire on a holiday island on a lake near the capital.

Police say at least 80 people were killed in the youth camp after initially reporting the death toll at 10.

Seven people had earlier been killed in central Oslo when a car bomb went off outside the country’s main government building. Members of the country’s ruling Labour Party were the targets in both cases. Police had confirmed a total of 17 deaths last night.

British security forces were immediately placed on alert amid fears that Norway’s worst terrorist outrage might be the first in a series of attacks on the West. The carnage followed repeated warnings that al-Qaeda was planning a Mumbai-style attack on countries involved in the war in Afghanistan, where Norway has about 500 troops

Dave, call up your British security forces and tell them that this wasn't al-qaeda. lol. The offender was one of Norway's own peeps.

A suspected right-wing fanatic accused of killing at least 92 people deemed his acts "atrocious" yet "necessary" as Norway mourned victims of the nation's worst attacks since World War Two.



http://news.yahoo.com/norway-suspect-deems-killings-atrocious-needed-013354792.html


Where are your James Bonds when you need them?

Crisco
07-24-2011, 09:48 PM
worst part is the media is turning him into a "Christian Terrorist"

rearnakedchoke
07-25-2011, 04:20 PM
worst part is the media is turning him into a "Christian Terrorist"

he is a Christian terrorist ... media didn't turn him into anything .. LOL

Tyburn
07-25-2011, 05:05 PM
he is a Christian terrorist ... media didn't turn him into anything .. LOL

But why bomb the Government district and a youth camp of liberal left wingers...I dont expect any of the casualities were islamic...Thats what I dont understand about his Crusade...A Christian Crusader attacks...Christian liberals????

Sounds less like organized terrorism and more like a nut job...I mean...How are the Government supposed to connect a car bomb with immigration reform...and how does shooting a mixture of christians and aethiest left wingers halt the spread of Islam???

Now had it been a bomb blast at a central Mosque...or a shooting spree at an Islamic Missionary College...I could at least see the moral-less point he was trying to make.

But killing Christians and an adhoc bomblast in a Government Quarter of a city...in the name of Christ to stop Islam...doesnt spell hardline right winger to me...it spells nutter with a gun...and probably voices in his head :unsure: Not to be predjudice or anything...but he's extremely Aryan isnt he. Blond hair, blue eyes...European nutjobs...wonder if he has anything to do with neo-nazism??

rearnakedchoke
07-25-2011, 05:15 PM
who knows ... he felt his gov't was committing treason by adopting multiculturalism .. i guess he felt it would be better to go about it the way he did, than bombing a mosque or something else ...

Dethbob
07-25-2011, 05:19 PM
he is a Christian terrorist ... media didn't turn him into anything .. LOL

Says who?
http://www.solidprinciples.com/blog/the-3-big-questions-about-anders-behring-breiviks-facebook-profile/

Tyburn
07-25-2011, 05:41 PM
Says who?
http://www.solidprinciples.com/blog/the-3-big-questions-about-anders-behring-breiviks-facebook-profile/

A brief look at his manifesto would show that he was Right Wing...that doesnt mean he was Christian...but there is a strong Christian right that does blah on about Islam taking over Europe.

No Christian acts the way this guy did. But a lot of extremists might use the guise of Christianity to have a cause. Adolf Hitler was a Right Wing Extremist..He managed to use Left Wing Political Unions, and Christianity to try and proove his Cause...now THAT is desperate...and so obviously untrue.

Christians who desire change like the cause that this guy claimed to be fighting for go into politics and change the world through the correct channels. If you dont like how your Government runs its politics, change it yourself...but that requires true work and dedication to a cause...most people cant be bothered to put the time and effort in...its easier and faster to use a machine gun then it is to work your way into a position of power and influence...and then use it to GODs advantage.

But...which works best?

Supposing this guy had instead gone into politics, become leader of his party, become ellected into power, and then allowed those who wanted to integrate to come in, and reformed those who did not wish to?

It might have taken him 5 or 10 years...sounds like it took him 5 or 10 years to plan this attack :rolleyes: Instead of prooving a point, all he's done is turned himself into a nutjob, and hardened the resolve of those in Government to be even more free and welcoming to Islamic Settlers.

You can change the world, and you can perform Opus Dei....but gone are the days when you can do that with a bullet alone....Sad thing is...anyone truely committed to any cause knows this..and the battles they fight are much harder and involve a lot more then shooting at unarmed youths. The Real Crusaders are working behind the scenes, slowly, and tirelessly to do GODs will, and the forces they come up against in their struggles are funded by the darkest Evil, which is not of this World...so it is as Saint Paul writes that our boggle is not with other men, but with the principalities and dominions of darkness which use other men like pawns to try and shut down GODs advance.

Buzzard
07-25-2011, 11:42 PM
Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. I was wondering how long it would take for that.

NateR
07-26-2011, 12:59 PM
Adolf Hitler was a Right Wing Extremist..

You're using that old, outdated "political spectrum" nonsense to come to that conclusion. Hitler was most definitely NOT a right wing extremist.

The old political spectrum puts right wing extremists in one end, with left-wing extremists on the other end with anarchy somewhere in the middle. Well that entire notion was made up as a form of left wing propaganda in order to try to classify men like Adolf Hitler and Ronald Reagan in the same boat.

However, the truth is that anarchy is one extreme and totalitarianism is the other extreme. Anarchy is obviously no government whatsoever (which is impossible to maintain, since people will band together and form local governments for the sake of safety). Totalitarianism is when the government has absolute control over the lives, deaths and even thoughts of it's citizens.

This puts most communists, socialists and fascists in the same boat because they all seek total control of their populations. So, Obama has more in common with Adolf Hitler than Reagan.

Dethbob
07-26-2011, 02:07 PM
Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. I was wondering how long it would take for that.

Odd that you would object, since that is your go-to defense of Islam, ‘how dare you generalize about those wonderful people!’ whenever they blow someone up.

But in this case: One white guy = Christian = All Christians are terrorists, right?

rearnakedchoke
07-26-2011, 03:17 PM
Odd that you would object, since that is your go-to defense of Islam, ‘how dare you generalize about those wonderful people!’ whenever they blow someone up.

But in this case: One white guy = Christian = All Christians are terrorists, right?

who said all Christians are terrorists??? you are putting words in peoples mouths .. no one said that .. crisco said the media is making him out to be a christian terrorist .. i said the media didn't make him a christian terrorist, he is one, tyburn came back and said no christian would do something like that and buzzard scoffed at the idea .. he didn't say all Christians are terrorists, your deduction is flawed ..

Dethbob
07-26-2011, 03:56 PM
who said all Christians are terrorists??? you are putting words in peoples mouths .. no one said that .. crisco said the media is making him out to be a christian terrorist .. i said the media didn't make him a christian terrorist, he is one, tyburn came back and said no christian would do something like that and buzzard scoffed at the idea .. he didn't say all Christians are terrorists, your deduction is flawed ..

Ooohkay... I’ll play along, what do YOU think "no true Scotsman defense” is meant to imply?

rearnakedchoke
07-26-2011, 04:31 PM
Ooohkay... I’ll play along, what do YOU think "no true Scotsman defense” is meant to imply?

i think it was meant to imply that Christians will distance themselves from this terrorist because if he truly was Christian, he would never had killed innocent people .. but it doesn't change the fact that this guy was part of a group who considered themselves Christians .. i in no way got out of it that buzz was saying all christians are terrorists ..

Dethbob
07-26-2011, 04:45 PM
this guy was part of a group who considered themselves Christians

What group was he a part of? Other than ‘friending’ a few people on facebook, of course.

Tyburn
07-26-2011, 04:48 PM
1)You're using that old, outdated "political spectrum" nonsense to come to that conclusion. Hitler was most definitely NOT a right wing extremist.

2) The old political spectrum puts right wing extremists in one end, with left-wing extremists on the other end with anarchy somewhere in the middle. Well that entire notion was made up as a form of left wing propaganda in order to try to classify men like Adolf Hitler and Ronald Reagan in the same boat.

3) However, the truth is that anarchy is one extreme and totalitarianism is the other extreme. Anarchy is obviously no government whatsoever (which is impossible to maintain, since people will band together and form local governments for the sake of safety). Totalitarianism is when the government has absolute control over the lives, deaths and even thoughts of it's citizens.

This puts most communists, socialists and fascists in the same boat because they all seek total control of their populations.

4) So, Obama has more in common with Adolf Hitler than Reagan.

1) Hitler was most definately Far right. He was all about the expansion of German Imperialism in the wake of their World War One Defeat. He was about a prosperous Nation, and New and better Germany. He played the part of devout Roman Catholic during his rise...but was forced into a coilition with the Far Left in terms of Government. He then used them to control the population as he began his asscent to power. Then he turned on them, Opperation Hummingbird, otherwise known as night of the Long Knives.


2) No it doesnt. The classical Taxonomy for Political Philosophy is Facism and Totalitarianism at one end, flowing through Right Wing Republicanism, Flowing through Conservative Whig, Flowing through Centrist Democracy, Flowing through Labour Liberals, flowing through Socialism, flowing though Communism.

Anarchy is complete lack of government and so isnt on any scale for that reason.

3) But in a progressive Taxonomy for political philosophy, you have Anarchy at one end, and Federal Republics at the other end.

What they generally say is that you should take the Classical Taxonomy and make it into a circle, then Far Left and Far Right end up touching each other, as in practise both are about the same thing, just expressed in different ways

4) It puts Obama near nobody because in any political spectrum, he's right in the middle. He's a Centrist. He's neither Left nor Right in terms of Political Philosophy. America is so used to Right Wing that anything approaching Centrism is miss labled as Far Left :laugh:

I dont really know anything about Ronald Regan...sorry :unsure-1:

rearnakedchoke
07-26-2011, 04:57 PM
What group was he a part of? Other than ‘friending’ a few people on facebook, of course.

well, he considers himself to be part of knights templar, or templar knights, something like that .. until all the information comes out ..

Buzzard
07-26-2011, 06:14 PM
Odd that you would object, since that is your go-to defense of Islam, ‘how dare you generalize about those wonderful people!’ whenever they blow someone up.

But in this case: One white guy = Christian = All Christians are terrorists, right?

Next time use some salt and pepper before putting words in my mouth as rearnakedchoke pointed out. Complete and utter fail on your part once again. Imagine a super cool fail "meme" image here.

You and other people appear to love using the "no Scotsman" defense whenever a member of a your (generic lumping together of Christian) faith commits a "faux pas", as happened when I made my reply.

To answer your question; not even remotely.

Buzzard
07-26-2011, 06:15 PM
i think it was meant to imply that Christians will distance themselves from this terrorist because if he truly was Christian, he would never had killed innocent people .. but it doesn't change the fact that this guy was part of a group who considered themselves Christians .. i in no way got out of it that buzz was saying all christians are terrorists ..

Dind ding ding, we have a winner.

Dethbob
07-26-2011, 06:43 PM
Next time use some salt and pepper before putting words in my mouth as rearnakedchoke pointed out. Complete and utter fail on your part once again. Imagine a super cool fail "meme" image here.

Get your own salt and pepper, bro; saying something is a false defense is the same as implying guilt. You want to use a rhetorical shell game to say something unsupportable and then dodge responsibility for it. The only part you got right was ‘Complete and utter fail’.

Buzzard
07-26-2011, 07:34 PM
Get your own salt and pepper, bro; saying something is a false defense is the same as implying guilt. You want to use a rhetorical shell game to say something unsupportable and then dodge responsibility for it. The only part you got right was ‘Complete and utter fail’.

Just because you have trouble comprehending what was written and injecting your own hate into it is not the fault of moi.

My comment was supported and directed at and due to what Tyburn said. The "no true Scotsman" defense was used and I pointed it out. Simple as that. I claim full responsibility for my comment and it seems that only you at this time don't have the comprehension to understand it. You sure read a lot of wrong info into a simple statement. Of course that is to be expected of you.

Yes, you are a complete and utter fail, on this we can agree.

Tyburn
07-26-2011, 07:54 PM
well, he considers himself to be part of knights templar, or templar knights, something like that .. until all the information comes out ..

Ironically The Knights Templar had the opposite role to play. The Knights Templar were a banking system, and Hired Protection. If you were a Roman Catholic Pilgrim, you would pay your local Templar, and he would make sure on your journey through foreign lands to the pilgrammage destination you would be safe from war torn parts of the world. Once at your destination, you could visit your local Templar ( a different Foundation) and be able to withdraw from him any extra funds you gave the one at the start...so that if you were attacked on the way...you had none of your valuables lost or stolen.

Seems to promote the transporting of immigrants from one Catholic State to another...

Its one of the early forms of large scale banking in the world.

It is through this means that they built up their funds and their wealth, and its because of their expansion across the entirity of the Roman Catholic World, that the Vatican and European Royalty soon realized that the Knights had the wealth, and the geography...and the ability, to save pilgrims from the Church itself if needs be...

Soooo They organised a mass murder, the date was Friday Thirteenth...early in the morning, when the Templars met for prayer. Soon after the Pope disolved the order, and what little remained of them became The Knights Hospitalier (in other words a Catholic medical corps) Those around in the Crusades became The Knights of The Cross of Saint John of Jerusalem...but they were Military and under Romes control.

Any reformation doesnt follow from what the Templars were originally about. The safe passage of pilgrims, and the protection of their assets at a cost, on a global scale, irespective of geographical boarders.

How does one claim to be a Templar...and have a problem with mass immigration and western wealth...These nutters dont even know about the causes they pretend to be part of...they pick names coz they sound Kewl...without the slightest adherance to anything that name may have stood for.

Sooo...not Christian, and Not Templar....but possibly pretending to be both, and calling himself both, just to give him an excuse to kill people for some oddball cause like anti islamic immigration.

Tyburn
07-26-2011, 08:03 PM
Ah, the "no true Scotsman" defense. I was wondering how long it would take for that.

:huh:

Calling yourself a name, doesnt make you legitamate.

I could call myself American...doesnt make me American does it.

Taxonomies, are classifications, and to be classified as something you have to show features.

If you call yourself a Christian...then there are taxonomical references you can use to make reasonably certain.

Adolf Hilter claimed to be a Roman Catholic, but wanted to wipe out GODs chosen people...ergo..Pope Pius claimed to be Christian and supported the Nazi exterminations...Neither were Christian...but both would claim to be.

Tyburn
07-26-2011, 08:22 PM
Next time use some salt and pepper before putting words in my mouth as rearnakedchoke pointed out. Complete and utter fail on your part once again. Imagine a super cool fail "meme" image here.

You and other people appear to love using the "no Scotsman" defense whenever a member of a your (generic lumping together of Christian) faith commits a "faux pas", as happened when I made my reply.

To answer your question; not even remotely.

He was no member of my faith. A fraud is not a member despite what he says...

I am not in communion with him. Even GOD points out many people who think they are Christian, dont belong to him.

What RNC said was right...you scoff...you hang around threads like this to mock...because if you didnt believe but were open you would be learning, and you show no signs...and if you didnt believe and didnt want to believe, you would register your opinion and leave...but no...you look out to try and actually bring other peoples faiths down.

Your attempt to call people here hypocrits...brings about what aim?

True non believers dont care...you align yourself with something you are not, in exactly the same way as the killer did to christianity. Your both frauds, I dont know whether its just to cause division, or if its just to cause attention...or if its a form of spiritual warfare, or if its just a case of being nutty...I dont know...but I KNOW people who dont believe...and I know those who are into hostile athiesm...which isnt an opinon...but it out to distroy the faith of those that have it.

Your one of them....its your inability to be mute on subjects supposed to be no more then fantasy for comfort, that betrays you. It always is with your kind.

What you dont understand is that Christianity is not really a religion, its not a belief...neither is Judaism. Judaism is about blood family...and Christianity is about a relationship with the creator. If you are in a relationship with someone, you get to know them...you get to know what they are like...you get to know what they feel about issues, how they work.

I Know GOD...personally...I know how to spot him in situations, in circumstances, in other people. He sometimes does condone violence, he sometimes does get angry...but for someone in the know...it becomes obvious, blindingly obvious when something like this happens...that it wasnt from GOD. He may use it to his advantage...but I do not believe that someone in a relationship with him would do what happened in Norway. If he wasnt in a relationship with Christ...then he has no right to call himself a Christian...and regardless of whether he does or not...by definition he is not a Christian.

Tyburn
07-26-2011, 08:30 PM
The "no true Scotsman" defense was used and I pointed it out. Simple as that.

You sure read a lot of wrong info into a simple statement. Of course that is to be expected of you.

You made that statement knowing someone would react like this, so you could deny all knowledge.

You do it deliberately Buzzard. I want you to know that I am accutely aware that you never just point something out, without it being an attempt to cause this kind of stir. Its your whole reason for posting on this forum, it always had been.

You deliberately made that ambiguous statement hoping for someone like deathbob to come along. Does it make you feel good, what exactly is it, that you get out of ••••ing around with peoples core values.

Its not okay Buzzard. :mellow:

Dethbob
07-26-2011, 08:43 PM
Just because you have trouble comprehending what was written and injecting your own hate into it is not the fault of moi.

My comment was supported and directed at and due to what Tyburn said. The "no true Scotsman" defense was used and I pointed it out. Simple as that. I claim full responsibility for my comment and it seems that only you at this time don't have the comprehension to understand it. You sure read a lot of wrong info into a simple statement. Of course that is to be expected of you.

Yes, you are a complete and utter fail, on this we can agree.

Hate? If you have nothing to say, you can always throw insults, right? If the problem was a lack of comprehension on my part, I’m sure you would have come up with something a little better than ‘You’re Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!’

Pardon me while I LOL.

Dethbob
07-26-2011, 08:53 PM
You deliberately made that ambiguous statement hoping for someone like deathbob to come along.

He wasn’t trying to be ambiguous; he was throwing his weight behind the ‘Christian Terrorist’ meme. He just has issues with admitting to it.

See you tomorrow.

Buzzard
07-27-2011, 02:49 AM
He was no member of my faith. A fraud is not a member despite what he says... So would you be willing to say that the people who committed the 9/11 attacks and the attacks on your tube system weren't Muslim? So I guess that because you are ok with the possibility of innocents being killed with the death penalty and seem to be pro-torture you're not a Christian either. Got it, you're just pretending to be so you can be part of the clique who thinks so low of you because of how you were born.


What RNC said was right...you scoff...

You can't even comprehend what rnc said. No sense me trying to explain it to you as if you can't even grasp what rnc said, you'd definitely not be able to understand a simple explanation.


you hang around threads like this to mock...because if you didnt believe but were open you would be learning, and you show no signs...and if you didnt believe and didnt want to believe, you would register your opinion and leave...but no...you look out to try and actually bring other peoples faiths down.

I entered this thread showing my disgust for the actions taken without making any statement about any political or religious affiliations. You made the first statement possible relating it to Al Qaeda. Someone else brought in the term Christian terrorist. You used the "no Scotsman defense" and I called it out. Period.

Then the gang-bang started.


Your attempt to call people here hypocrits...brings about what aim?

I did nothing of the sort in this thread. Stick to the subject.


True non believers dont care...you align yourself with something you are not, in exactly the same way as the killer did to christianity. Your both frauds, I dont know whether its just to cause division, or if its just to cause attention...or if its a form of spiritual warfare, or if its just a case of being nutty...I dont know...but I KNOW people who dont believe...and I know those who are into hostile athiesm...which isnt an opinon...but it out to distroy the faith of those that have it.

I bet that you like hearing yourself talk, don't you?


Your one of them....its your inability to be mute on subjects supposed to be no more then fantasy for comfort, that betrays you. It always is with your kind.

And what is my kind? Someone who can actually put out a thought in a concise form. Yep, that's me. You're doing a piss poor job of trying to bait me into slamming your religion.


What you dont understand is that Christianity is not really a religion, its not a belief...neither is Judaism. Judaism is about blood family...and Christianity is about a relationship with the creator. If you are in a relationship with someone, you get to know them...you get to know what they are like...you get to know what they feel about issues, how they work.

What you don't understand is that you ramble on about stuff and lose any point you are trying to make. Stick to the subject.


I Know GOD...personally...I know how to spot him in situations, in circumstances, in other people. He sometimes does condone violence, he sometimes does get angry...but for someone in the know...it becomes obvious, blindingly obvious when something like this happens...that it wasnt from GOD. He may use it to his advantage...but I do not believe that someone in a relationship with him would do what happened in Norway. If he wasnt in a relationship with Christ...then he has no right to call himself a Christian...and regardless of whether he does or not...by definition he is not a Christian.

You are so full of it and of yourself. You don't know Jack. Great usage of the "no true Scotsman" defense once again. Lol

You know what? If you were born in an Islamic country, you would most likely be Muslim. If born in a different country with a different religious brand, you would most likely be a member of that faith. It's simple; you became a member of the religion which you were brought up around, just as I was. We differ because I asked questions and realized that it wasn't for me and that I couldn't believe what had been and what was being taught.

BTW, you sure did read a lot into a simple statement I made. All of it imaginary.

Buzzard
07-27-2011, 03:01 AM
You made that statement knowing someone would react like this, so you could deny all knowledge.

You do it deliberately Buzzard. I want you to know that I am accutely aware that you never just point something out, without it being an attempt to cause this kind of stir. Its your whole reason for posting on this forum, it always had been.

You deliberately made that ambiguous statement hoping for someone like deathbob to come along. Does it make you feel good, what exactly is it, that you get out of ••••ing around with peoples core values.

Its not okay Buzzard. :mellow:

Where the heck did I mess with the core values of anyone prior to the gangbang? I made a simple statement and was attacked for it.

You have a great imagination Tyburn. Too bad you lack common sense. I made the statement because you used the classic "no true Scotsman" defense. That's it. Dethbob then jumped in with a well played strawman that was easily blown down without any huffing or puffing. Classic.

I still stand by my statement and fully own it. You used the NTS defense; not once but twice. Pull your panties out of your crack, man up and admit it.

Buzzard
07-27-2011, 03:10 AM
Hate? If you have nothing to say, you can always throw insults, right? If the problem was a lack of comprehension on my part, I’m sure you would have come up with something a little better than ‘You’re Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!’

Pardon me while I LOL.

What insult did I throw? The fact of the matter is that Tyburn used the NTS defense and I called it out. Simple. Nice strawman again, but valueless. It was a lack of comprehension on your part, simple there too. Your dislike for me has clouded your judgement. Something, something, something dark side, beware.

If you quit building up strawmen, I won't have to keep knocking them down. I'm fine with the fact that you don't like me; I don't need friends of your ilk.

I'm lol'ing at you too.

Tyburn
07-28-2011, 08:48 PM
1) So would you be willing to say that the people who committed the 9/11 attacks and the attacks on your tube system weren't Muslim?

2) So I guess that because you are ok with the possibility of innocents being killed with the death penalty and seem to be pro-torture you're not a Christian either.

3) Got it, you're just pretending to be so you can be part of the clique who thinks so low of you because of how you were born.



4) You can't even comprehend what rnc said. No sense me trying to explain it to you as if you can't even grasp what rnc said, you'd definitely not be able to understand a simple explanation.



5) I entered this thread showing my disgust for the actions taken without making any statement about any political or religious affiliations. You made the first statement possible relating it to Al Qaeda. Someone else brought in the term Christian terrorist. You used the "no Scotsman defense" and I called it out. Period.

6) Then the gang-bang started.



7) I did nothing of the sort in this thread. Stick to the subject.



8) I bet that you like hearing yourself talk, don't you?



9) And what is my kind? Someone who can actually put out a thought in a concise form. Yep, that's me. You're doing a piss poor job of trying to bait me into slamming your religion.



10) What you don't understand is that you ramble on about stuff and lose any point you are trying to make. Stick to the subject.



11) You are so full of it and of yourself. You don't know Jack. Great usage of the "no true Scotsman" defense once again. Lol

12) You know what? If you were born in an Islamic country, you would most likely be Muslim. If born in a different country with a different religious brand, you would most likely be a member of that faith. It's simple; you became a member of the religion which you were brought up around, just as I was. We differ because I asked questions and realized that it wasn't for me and that I couldn't believe what had been and what was being taught.

BTW, you sure did read a lot into a simple statement I made. All of it imaginary.
1) They were fanatics that called themselves Muslims. From my experience of being in an Islamic Majority city during the times of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq...I would say...No They were not what you would define as main stream Muslims...They are Radical Islamists...unlike Christianity, The Quran teaches that the Faith is to react differently at different times. In peace time, Muslims are not supposed to behave like Terrorists...there is radical interpretations of some parts of the Quran that imply where Islam is Threatened, that the Islamists should retaliate with Force, effectively going to war against persecutors. In so far as that is concerned I do not know enough about Jihad to know the criteria...I would guess that since you havent go entire Islamic States moving...that the Minority acting are probably not in line with any mainstream extremist view...but must be even more radical then that...and if you can be more radical then some of those States then...yes..I really think you've moved so far away from the text that you arent Islamic at all.

Incidently...I was in London for the tube bombings also.

2) The death penalty is upheld by Scripture. Their are crimes for which you can be executed by the state. As for torture...it very much depends. on the whole I dont support the mass torture of individuals...but if lives were dependant on getting a single suspect to talk. Sorry...I'm utilitarian in that respect. That doesnt harm my faith....when the goal is not to hurt the individual...the goal is to save countless lives...if he wont talk, he brings the hurt on himself.

3) :huh: I dont understand what your referencing here :blink:

4) No need to get defensive...I just said that you Scoff...and you so do. Instead of refuting, or accepting it, you attack my intelligence. Why so defensive?? Hit a nerve did I :laugh:

5) Rationalize it how you want Buzzard. You dont fool anyone. :rolleyes:

6) :laugh:

7) Oh yes you did

8) so much so, I read allowed each comment I make. So that I can not just appreciate myself in my head...but truely feel the sentiment :mellow:

9) You are a Troll. I'm not baiting you. I am rebuking you...in love..of course :laugh:

10) sorry...what was your point. You lost me :mellow:

11) who is Jack :huh::ninja:

12) If most people take on the religion of the country of their birth as you suggest...then...what the hell went wrong with YOU :wink:

Buzzard
07-28-2011, 11:19 PM
Priceless. It has an ad prior to the video. It's only 5 minutes and on topic.

Jon Stewart Show (http://www.thedailyshow.com/#tool_tip_0)

Comments?

atomdanger
07-28-2011, 11:27 PM
Political youth camp?



Ummm......

Buzzard
07-28-2011, 11:36 PM
Political youth camp?



Ummm......

Similar to this.....

However, his latest comments about the "disturbing" nature of political youth camps may come as a surprise to Beck's followers in the Tea Party movement.

The anti-tax, anti-immigration movement has been holding summer camps in states including Florida and Missouri where children have been taught a curriculum based on God, the US constitution and "the defence of economic liberty".


From here. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/26/glenn-beck-norwegian-dead-hitler)

Ruh-roh.

atomdanger
07-28-2011, 11:37 PM
1) They were fanatics that called themselves Muslims. From my experience of being in an Islamic Majority city during the times of 9/11 and the invasion of Iraq...I would say...No They were not what you would define as main stream Muslims...

States then...yes..I really think you've moved so far away from the text that you arent Islamic at all.


I think the bulk of Muslims support terrorist activity through silence (If nothing else).
When was the last time we saw Muslim churches across the nation out crying over violence? Never.

The Koran / Quaran calls for ALL kinds of violence against non Islamic people.

My thought has always been, how can people who read from, and follow such a violent book, be seen as decent and good people? Moreover, Muslims are CRAZY with the anti women's rights thing.

atomdanger
07-28-2011, 11:38 PM
Similar to this.....

However, his latest comments about the "disturbing" nature of political youth camps may come as a surprise to Beck's followers in the Tea Party movement.

The anti-tax, anti-immigration movement has been holding summer camps in states including Florida and Missouri where children have been taught a curriculum based on God, the US constitution and "the defence of economic liberty".


From here. (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/jul/26/glenn-beck-norwegian-dead-hitler)

Ruh-roh.

Political youth camp = creepy.