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Neezar
07-06-2011, 05:55 AM
Landmark gay history bill goes to Calif. governor

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California lawmakers on Tuesday sent the governor a bill that would make the state the first requiring public schools to include the contributions of gays and lesbians in social studies curriculum.

The bill, passed on a party-line vote, adds lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people as well as people with disabilities to the list of groups that schools must include in the lessons. It also would prohibit material that reflects adversely on gays.

Democratic Assemblyman Tom Ammiano of San Francisco says SB48 is crucial because of the bullying that happens to gay students. Republicans called it a well-intentioned but ill-conceived bill and raised concerns that it would indoctrinate children to accept homosexuality.

"This bill will require California schools to present a more accurate and nuanced view of American history in our social science curriculum by recognizing the accomplishments of groups that are not often recognized," said Assembly Speaker John Perez, the first openly gay speaker of the California Assembly.

The bill now goes to Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, who has not said whether he would sign it. Former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed a similar bill in 2006.

Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, a Republican from Twin Peaks, said he was offended as a Christian that the bill was being used to promote a "homosexual agenda" in public schools.

"I think it's one thing to say that we should be tolerant," Donnelly said. "It is something else altogether to say that my children are going to be taught that this lifestyle is good."

California law already requires schools to teach about women, African Americans, Mexican Americans, entrepreneurs, Asian Americans, European Americans, American Indians and labor. The Legislature over the years also has prescribed specific lessons about the Irish potato famine and the Holocaust, among other topics.

SB48 would require, as soon as the 2013-2014 school year, the California Board of Education and local school districts to adopt textbooks and other teaching materials that cover the contributions and roles of sexual minorities.

The legislation leaves it to local school boards to decide how to implement the requirement. It does not specify a grade level for the instruction to begin.

Opponents argued that such instruction would further burden an already crowded curriculum and expose students to a subject that some parents find objectionable. Assemblyman Chris Norby, R-Fullerton, said the bill micromanages the classroom.

"Our founding fathers are turning over in their graves," Donnelly said.
The bill's author, Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, said he hopes Brown will sign his bill. He dismissed arguments that the bill promotes certain sexual behaviors and said it removes censorship in textbooks.

"Bottom line, it's only beneficial to share with students the broad diversity of the human experience and that our democracy protects everyone," he said.

Before the Assembly vote, Perez pointed to a few contributions of gay people, including Friedrich von Steuben, one of George Washington's military advisers who fled Prussia after he was hounded as a homosexual.
Von Steuben is credited with being one of the fathers of the Continental Army and teaching essential military drills.

He also cited Alan Turing, a mathematician who helped crack Nazi Germany's secret codes by creating the "Turing bombe," a forerunner of modern computers.

Some churches and conservative family groups warned the bill will drive more parents to take their children out of public schools.

"This sexual brainwashing bill would mandate that children as young as 6 years old be told falsehoods — that homosexuality is biological, when it isn't, or healthy, when it's not," said Randy Thomasson, president of SaveCalifornia.com.

The Assembly passed the bill on a 49-25 vote.

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/landmark-gay-history-bill-goes-calif-governor-222837028.html

Neezar
07-06-2011, 05:56 AM
How many active gay threads does this make on the forums now? :unsure-1:


:laugh:

flo
07-06-2011, 07:37 AM
Some churches and conservative family groups warned the bill will drive more parents to take their children out of public schools.



Bingo. At least, those who can afford to do so.

CA is pathetic.

Bonnie
07-06-2011, 07:44 AM
I loved where they say:

...to present a more accurate and nuanced view of American history...

:rolleyes:

Buzzard
07-06-2011, 08:10 AM
Why shouldn't they teach the accomplishments of those in the gay community? Are their accomplishments any less than those of straight people? They don't need to hammer into them that they are/were gay, but I see no problem in acknowledging it. YMMV

Not trying to be confrontational, just wondering if you would be ok with the schools just stating the fact that they were gay. I remember in school being taught accomplishments of christian people and I didn't have a problem with it then, nor do I now.

BTW, the other gay thread has been closed again with so many of my questions left unanswered.

Dethbob
07-06-2011, 01:03 PM
BTW, the other gay thread has been closed again with so many of my questions left unanswered.

All of your ‘questions’ are some variation on “Christians are totally stupid, right guys?” and then you get all hurt and abusive when anyone answers you. Now you’re getting indignant because people are not answering you?

NateR
07-06-2011, 01:36 PM
Why shouldn't they teach the accomplishments of those in the gay community? Are their accomplishments any less than those of straight people? They don't need to hammer into them that they are/were gay, but I see no problem in acknowledging it. YMMV

Not trying to be confrontational, just wondering if you would be ok with the schools just stating the fact that they were gay. I remember in school being taught accomplishments of christian people and I didn't have a problem with it then, nor do I now.

BTW, the other gay thread has been closed again with so many of my questions left unanswered.

If that person openly admitted being gay, then I have no problem with mentioning it as long as that person contributed to history in a significant manner. However, focusing solely on "gay contributions to world history" or making assumptions that certain historical figures "might" have been gay, even though there is no real evidence of it, would not be acceptable IMO.

For example, there is some evidence that Alexander the Great was a homosexual. Since he had such a major contribution to world history, I would see nothing wrong with mentioning that as long as his sexual orientation didn't become the focus of the lesson.

As for your last comment, closing that thread was not my decision; but I understand why it was done. When any thread turns into nothing more than a pissing match between two forums members, then it's time to end the discussion.

Spiritwalker
07-06-2011, 01:39 PM
How many active gay threads does this make on the forums now? :unsure-1:


:laugh:

well.. there is ghey and there is gay....

CAVEMAN
07-06-2011, 02:01 PM
:rolleyes:Why doesn't this surprise me that such a decision is made in California.......:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::ro lleyes:

flo
07-06-2011, 06:13 PM
Why shouldn't they teach the accomplishments of those in the gay community? Are their accomplishments any less than those of straight people? They don't need to hammer into them that they are/were gay, but I see no problem in acknowledging it. YMMV

Not trying to be confrontational, just wondering if you would be ok with the schools just stating the fact that they were gay. I remember in school being taught accomplishments of christian people and I didn't have a problem with it then, nor do I now.

BTW, the other gay thread has been closed again with so many of my questions left unanswered.

So now GLTG is a religion? In answer to your first question, here's why. Their accomplishments need to be appreciated for the fact alone and not attached to their sexual preferences. Since a huge number of people still do not think sodomy is an acceptable behavior, why bring sex into it at all? Let the accomplishment stand on its own worth.

I'm just guessing here but I would say many, many parents - some who I'd imagine support the GLTG "cause" - would not want sexual preferences included in their children's history lesson.

Why don't we know about Tesla's sex life? Because it's irrelevant.

Just another example of the progressives forcing their agenda upon the public, whether they want it or not.

"See how tolerant and open-minded we are? Of course, don't imagine for a moment that WE are gay/lesbian/trans-gendered...we are merely uber tolerant and want to force everyone else to be as well...

County Mike
07-07-2011, 11:11 AM
That's so gay!

Neezar
07-07-2011, 01:23 PM
I didn't think either of the man's examples sounded worthy of the history books whether straight or gay.

Play The Man
07-30-2011, 10:56 PM
One issue that wasn't mentioned is the fact that because the California school system is so large, textbook publishers will have to make their textbooks fit the California curriculum or risk losing the sales to the largest market. Those same textbooks will be sold to schools all around the country. So, essentially, even if you live in a different state, if your child goes to public schools, they might be influenced by this decision. Parents will likely not know, because parents do not generally read the textbooks issued to their children.

adamt
07-31-2011, 03:12 AM
Landmark gay history bill goes to Calif. governor

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SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — California lawmakers on Tuesday sent the governor a bill that would make the state the first requiring public schools to include the contributions of gays and lesbians in social studies curriculum.

The bill, passed on a party-line vote, adds lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people as well as people with disabilities to the list of groups that schools must include in the lessons. It also would prohibit material that reflects adversely on gays.

Democratic Assemblyman Tom Ammiano of San Francisco says SB48 is crucial because of the bullying that happens to gay students. Republicans called it a well-intentioned but ill-conceived bill and raised concerns that it would indoctrinate children to accept homosexuality.

"This bill will require California schools to present a more accurate and nuanced view of American history in our social science curriculum by recognizing the accomplishments of groups that are not often recognized," said Assembly Speaker John Perez, the first openly gay speaker of the California Assembly.

The bill now goes to Gov. Jerry Brown, a Democrat, who has not said whether he would sign it. Former Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed a similar bill in 2006.

Assemblyman Tim Donnelly, a Republican from Twin Peaks, said he was offended as a Christian that the bill was being used to promote a "homosexual agenda" in public schools.

"I think it's one thing to say that we should be tolerant," Donnelly said. "It is something else altogether to say that my children are going to be taught that this lifestyle is good."

California law already requires schools to teach about women, African Americans, Mexican Americans, entrepreneurs, Asian Americans, European Americans, American Indians and labor. The Legislature over the years also has prescribed specific lessons about the Irish potato famine and the Holocaust, among other topics.

SB48 would require, as soon as the 2013-2014 school year, the California Board of Education and local school districts to adopt textbooks and other teaching materials that cover the contributions and roles of sexual minorities.

The legislation leaves it to local school boards to decide how to implement the requirement. It does not specify a grade level for the instruction to begin.

Opponents argued that such instruction would further burden an already crowded curriculum and expose students to a subject that some parents find objectionable. Assemblyman Chris Norby, R-Fullerton, said the bill micromanages the classroom.

"Our founding fathers are turning over in their graves," Donnelly said.
The bill's author, Sen. Mark Leno, D-San Francisco, said he hopes Brown will sign his bill. He dismissed arguments that the bill promotes certain sexual behaviors and said it removes censorship in textbooks.

"Bottom line, it's only beneficial to share with students the broad diversity of the human experience and that our democracy protects everyone," he said.

Before the Assembly vote, Perez pointed to a few contributions of gay people, including Friedrich von Steuben, one of George Washington's military advisers who fled Prussia after he was hounded as a homosexual.
Von Steuben is credited with being one of the fathers of the Continental Army and teaching essential military drills.

He also cited Alan Turing, a mathematician who helped crack Nazi Germany's secret codes by creating the "Turing bombe," a forerunner of modern computers.

Some churches and conservative family groups warned the bill will drive more parents to take their children out of public schools.

"This sexual brainwashing bill would mandate that children as young as 6 years old be told falsehoods — that homosexuality is biological, when it isn't, or healthy, when it's not," said Randy Thomasson, president of SaveCalifornia.com.

The Assembly passed the bill on a 49-25 vote.

http://beta.news.yahoo.com/landmark-gay-history-bill-goes-calif-governor-222837028.html

from what i understand von steuben never admitted being gay, as i see it, they started a nasty rumor about him in austria and he came over here to get away from it,

otherwise, he saw it as a horrible evil temptation he was plagued with, no different than people who are tempted by greed or other abominations, there is no proof he indulged it and i think there is more proof that he is ashamed of the temptation



exactly why it needs to be left out of the conversation


unless you want to point out everyone's sexual orientation

i heard hitler was gay maybe they could focus on that

adamt
07-31-2011, 03:17 AM
oh and lets not forget jeffery dahmer and john wayne gacy

oh and the fact that 43 percent of serial killers are homosexual

Buzzard
07-31-2011, 05:58 AM
oh and lets not forget jeffery dahmer and john wayne gacy

oh and the fact that 43 percent of serial killers are homosexual

That would make 57% of serial killers heterosexual then right? What point are you trying to make?

adamt
07-31-2011, 12:03 PM
That would make 57% of serial killers heterosexual then right? What point are you trying to make?


the same point that they are trying to make i guess:unsure-1:

what is the point of requiring gay history?

but i think 43 percent is a little disporportionately high don't you?

Neezar
07-31-2011, 04:28 PM
That would make 57% of serial killers heterosexual then right? What point are you trying to make?

Maybe some are bi :unsure-1:

:laugh:

Neezar
07-31-2011, 04:30 PM
the same point that they are trying to make i guess:unsure-1:

what is the point of requiring gay history?

but i think 43 percent is a little disporportionately high don't you?

I kinda understand your point. Why highlight the 'gayness' of a person when it is something positive and not the other way around? Or maybe we should delete any negative things from the history books.

flo
07-31-2011, 05:36 PM
Maybe some are bi :unsure-1:

:laugh:

Or cross-dressers.

:ninja:

Buzzard
07-31-2011, 05:50 PM
Maybe some are bi :unsure-1:

:laugh:

I was trying to figure out a way to put that in there in my original reply, without making it sound like the 57% were bi, but words failed me then. Usually I'm not at a loss for words.

NateR
07-31-2011, 05:51 PM
Parents will likely not know, because parents do not generally read the textbooks issued to their children.

This is nothing short of negligent parenting and it's one of the primary reasons that our public schools have degraded to the level that they are.

I grew up in one of the most liberal areas of the country, northern New Mexico, and I attended Junior High and High School in Santa Fe, NM. While I was attending school there, Santa Fe was ranked #2 in the country when it came to the openly gay male population. Also, the Progressive Liberal and Communist agenda was sold pretty heavily. Heck, we spent 6 weeks in my 8th grade English class studying the book Animal Farm and learning about all the ways that communism was supposed to be superior to democracy.

However, my parents were extremely vigilant when it came to monitoring exactly what we were learning. Usually they would simply correct the liberal lies and distortions that we would come home with; but occasionally my dad would make personal visits to the school to discuss his disagreement to the curriculum with the teachers and principals directly.

What I believe is that, regardless of what the public schools are teaching kids, the responsibility for the education of children is still in the hands of the parents. Period. End of story. Parents might pass the actual educational duties on to the public school system, but they can NEVER relieve themselves of the responsibility for their child's education.

So, if learning about "gay contributions to history" turns your son or daughter gay, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

Buzzard
07-31-2011, 05:55 PM
This is nothing short of negligent parenting and it's one of the primary reasons that our public schools have degraded to the level that they are.

I grew up in one of the most liberal areas of the country, northern New Mexico, and I attended Junior High and High School in Santa Fe, NM. While I was attending school there, Santa Fe was ranked #2 in the country when it came to the openly gay male population. Also, the Progressive Liberal and Communist agenda was sold pretty heavily. Heck, we spent 6 weeks in my 8th grade English class studying the book Animal Farm and learning about all the ways that communism was supposed to be superior to democracy.

However, my parents were extremely vigilant when it came to monitoring exactly what we were learning. Usually they would simply correct the liberal lies and distortions that we would come home with; but occasionally my dad would make personal visits to the school to discuss his disagreement to the curriculum with the teachers and principals directly.

What I believe is that, regardless of what the public schools are teaching kids, the responsibility for the education of children is still in the hands of the parents. Period. End of story. Parents might pass the actual educational duties on to the public school system, but they can NEVER relieve themselves of the responsibility for their child's education.

So, if learning about "gay contributions to history" turns your son or daughter gay, then you have no one to blame but yourself.

Parents not reading their kids textbooks is by no means negligent parenting.

Would your parents ever correct the conservative lies that you were taught? :laugh::ninja: Probably not because you still believe them.

NateR
07-31-2011, 06:04 PM
Parents not reading their kids textbooks is by no means negligent parenting.

Would your parents ever correct the conservative lies that you were taught? :laugh::ninja: Probably not because you still believe them.

I would disagree with that. Obviously there is not enough time to for parents to read every single page of every textbook that kids get every year, but parents need to make time in order to stay informed of exactly what their children are being taught.

After years of cognitive dissonance, where I constantly did battles with two diametrically different worldviews, I learned how to make up my own mind on what I believe. I learned that accepting Jesus Christ and the Bible as the inerrant Word of GOD creates a certain perspective on life in which I now tend to agree with my parents on many of their opinions. However, I don't agree with them on everything. Not even close.

flo
07-31-2011, 07:22 PM
Heck, we spent 6 weeks in my 8th grade English class studying the book Animal Farm and learning about all the ways that communism was supposed to be superior to democracy.



:blink:

Pathetic.

KENTUCKYREDBONE
08-01-2011, 08:23 PM
When I was in School I don't remember a historic persons sexual oreentation or religoun even being mentioned!

NateR
08-01-2011, 11:28 PM
When I was in School I don't remember a historic persons sexual oreentation or religoun even being mentioned!

Yeah, I don't recall one mention of the fact that George Washington liked to have sex with women in any of our history lessons. It's not even remotely relevant to the man's accomplishments.

Aside from the fact that this is a blatant attempt to indoctrinate kids into the homosexual lifestyle, it's actually degrading to the homosexuals mentioned. As if their sexual orientation is the only reason that their lifetime accomplishments are considered important.